Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Shusha]

The mandate had no authority over the majority residents of Palestine...HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This is no more than an appeal to lawlessness. What other instruments of international law do you want to reject and discard?

 

[Ventura77]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

 

[Shusha]

The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.

As a State for the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland with a Jewish government.

 

[Shusha]

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

So you ARE, in fact, claiming that minorities have no rights.

 

[Ventura77]

The mandate had no authority over the majority residents of Palestine...HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This is no more than an appeal to lawlessness. What other instruments of international law do you want to reject and discard?

'lawlessness" as in say conducting an ethnic-cleansing terror campaign...?

 

[rylah]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

56%??
How many times is Jordan (with its' Palestinian majority) bigger than Israel? How many times?

Knock-knock - do Indians own most of the land in the US?

 

[Ventura77]

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

So you ARE, in fact, claiming that minorities have no rights.

not to a state or to drive out the majority demographic

 

[Hollie]

Unlike you I don't require 'deflections' ...the Jews who seized Palestine in 48 are from Eastern Europe---assorted Turks...Mongols...Poles and Urkranians...once yet again you posit some irrelevant personal authority with "You can't possibly deny it"...to which I can only lament your impulse to idiocy,,,

But, theoretically, according to your understanding, the Jewish people clearly had a history and origin in the territory. Yes or no?

What part of "small minority' doesn't register dear? Again for the sake of perpetual repetition: these were eastern European Jews without any history in Palestine...

There, there, pumpkin. Because repetition provides slow adults like you an allowance, what part of Jews buying land from absentee land owners in Syria and Lebanon in your invented "country of Pal'istan" don't you yet understand?


Turkey transfers Ottoman land records to Palestinian Authority

 

[Ventura77]

The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.

As a State for the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland with a Jewish government.

irrelevant language to the extent that majority population is disregarded...

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.

As a State for the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland with a Jewish government.

Documents?

 

[Ventura77]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

56%?? How many times is with its' Palestinian majority Jordan bigger than Israel? How many times?

Knock-knock - do Indians own most of the land in the US?

Jordan is irrelevant to historic Palestine

 

[Ventura77]

The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.

As a State for the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland with a Jewish government.

Documents?

Trust me here Tinmore, Shusha is posting this tripe directly from Hasbara software

 

[Hollie]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

56%?? How many times is with its' Palestinian majority Jordan bigger than Israel? How many times?

Knock-knock - do Indians own most of the land in the US?

Jordan is irrelevant to historic Palestine

Where is this "historic Palestine"? Silly slogans you use are not irrelevant..

 

[rylah]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

56%?? How many times is with its' Palestinian majority Jordan bigger than Israel? How many times?

Knock-knock - do Indians own most of the land in the US?

Jordan is irrelevant to historic Palestine

Why because it has a Palestinian majority?
Because it's 100% Palestinian Arab state, where Jews were not allowed to live?

Arabs received much more than half the land already.

 

[Hollie]

The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.

As a State for the reconstitution of the Jewish homeland with a Jewish government.

Documents?

Trust me here Tinmore, Shusha is posting this tripe directly from Hasbara software

Baghdad Bob claimed "trust me, Americans are not in the city."

You two have a lot in common.

 

[Shusha]

Documents?

Your kidding, right? I JUST posted this:

Mandate for Palestine:

Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Documents?

Your kidding, right? I JUST posted this:

Mandate for Palestine:

Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

You forgot article 7.

 

[Shusha]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Shusha]

P F Tinmore

If you are trying to argue that Israel is a State and that it was created from the existing rights of the Jewish people to a national homeland but that it SHOULD have incorporated all of the Arabs into that state -- that is an entirely different argument. Pick your poison and stick with it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.