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Can you document that assertion?
Again? Jeeze, I'll have to put this on perma-link to save me from doing it three times a day.
Mandate for Palestine:
Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.
The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.
If Palestine was already a State by the time this was written -- it was clearly a state for the Jewish people and to be developed by and eventually handed over to a Jewish government.
Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others. If those Chinese are citizens the most they can legitimately get is shared sovereignty with the other citizens...following your criterion for statehood the Chinese minority in the Philippines are entitled to establish a state of their own..
And your problem with that is what, exactly? If the Chinese minority in the Phillippines were significantly distinct from the Chinese in China and wished to have independence and self-determination and sovereignty -- why shouldn't they have it?
The same for the Jews in Palestine.
So then, why did the British hand Palestine over to the UNSCOP and not Israel?
Usually ethnically cleansed people remain a minority in their homeland, look at the many Arab Muslim countriesOne cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.Indeed, and they became Palestinian citizens with the rest of the people living there.
Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .
Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.
Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Q. And how many Arabs became Palestinian citizens? How many opted to receive the passport?
your plaintive question is quite irrelevant to the issue of putative Zionist legitimacy in a majority Arab state...
The indigenous people are a tiny minority in Americas - yet they have ALL the legitimacy to self-determination.
Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others. If those Chinese are citizens the most they can legitimately get is shared sovereignty with the other citizens.
The same for the Jews in Palestine.
Was it?So then, why did the British hand Palestine over to the UNSCOP and not Israel?
Well, largely because the Arabs were having a hissy fit in the form of murderous violence and the British hope to find a peaceful solution. But THAT is a deflection from my point.
IF Palestine was a state in 1923 then it was clearly a state for the Jewish people with a Jewish government.
LMFAO!!!!! Apparently we are supposed to consent to nothing beyond your opinion that any adjustment to this sentence is axiomatically 'ridiculous'...see if you can fit 'self-evident' into a framework for legal reference? As previously explained to the point of futility the Eastern European Jews---direct descendants of Khazar-converts to Judaism-- have zero legal or ethical claim to historic Palestine...if you believe otherwise present your putative proof of this fictive right or concede your inability to do so...
You move straight into irrelevancies as an attempt to deflect from the issue.
Where are the Jewish people from? Where did they originate? Where is the historical home for the Jewish people? Are you seriously going to deny that the Jewish people, as a whole, originated and held thousands of years of history in THAT place? You can't possibly deny it. You said just today that there were ancient Jewish kingdoms in that territory.
Was it?So then, why did the British hand Palestine over to the UNSCOP and not Israel?
Well, largely because the Arabs were having a hissy fit in the form of murderous violence and the British hope to find a peaceful solution. But THAT is a deflection from my point.
IF Palestine was a state in 1923 then it was clearly a state for the Jewish people with a Jewish government.
Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others. If those Chinese are citizens the most they can legitimately get is shared sovereignty with the other citizens.
The same for the Jews in Palestine.
So different peoples can not have separate sovereignty over a territory? Yugoslavia can not have been divided? Oops. Czechoslovakia can not have been divided? Oops. The Spanish and the Catalans can not divide? How you going to explain that to them?
Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others. If those Chinese are citizens the most they can legitimately get is shared sovereignty with the other citizens.
The same for the Jews in Palestine.
So different peoples can not have separate sovereignty over a territory? Yugoslavia can not have been divided? Oops. Czechoslovakia can not have been divided? Oops. The Spanish and the Catalans can not divide? How you going to explain that to them?
Yet another irrelevant deflection...gosh I'm still waiting for that promised proof of Jewish rights to Palestine...quite a long wait huh?
Unlike you I don't require 'deflections' ...the Jews who seized Palestine in 48 are from Eastern Europe---assorted Turks...Mongols...Poles and Urkranians...once yet again you posit some irrelevant personal authority with "You can't possibly deny it"...to which I can only lament your impulse to idiocy,,,
Nobody has the right to violate the rights of others. If those Chinese are citizens the most they can legitimately get is shared sovereignty with the other citizens.
The same for the Jews in Palestine.
So different peoples can not have separate sovereignty over a territory? Yugoslavia can not have been divided? Oops. Czechoslovakia can not have been divided? Oops. The Spanish and the Catalans can not divide? How you going to explain that to them?
Yet another irrelevant deflection...gosh I'm still waiting for that promised proof of Jewish rights to Palestine...quite a long wait huh?
Shusha the one thing that you cannot hide is that you are a textbook Hasbara-troll...each absurd answer is pre-scripted and in circulation online...
Was it?So then, why did the British hand Palestine over to the UNSCOP and not Israel?
Well, largely because the Arabs were having a hissy fit in the form of murderous violence and the British hope to find a peaceful solution. But THAT is a deflection from my point.
IF Palestine was a state in 1923 then it was clearly a state for the Jewish people with a Jewish government.
The Mandate clearly states that it was.
Shusha the one thing that you cannot hide is that you are a textbook Hasbara-troll...each absurd answer is pre-scripted and in circulation online...
Unlike you I don't require 'deflections' ...the Jews who seized Palestine in 48 are from Eastern Europe---assorted Turks...Mongols...Poles and Urkranians...once yet again you posit some irrelevant personal authority with "You can't possibly deny it"...to which I can only lament your impulse to idiocy,,,
But, theoretically, according to your understanding, the Jewish people clearly had a history and origin in the territory. Yes or no?
Usually ethnically cleansed people remain a minority in their homeland, look at the many Arab Muslim countriesOne cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.
Palestine never existed as a Nation/Country.
The Romans called the region where Judea and Samaria existed
SYRIA Palestinia. There were no Syrian Palestinians at any time.
No one, not one inhabitant, not one invader ever called the people living on the land Syrian Palestinians .
Not the Romans, the Byzantine, the Muslims, the Crusaders, the Ottomans, or the British.
Not the Americans, the Germans, the Italians, or anyone else who visited the region.
Israel did exist and had citizens to its Nation.
They were not called Palestinians.The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:One cannot become a citizen of a country or Nation which does not exist.
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Q. And how many Arabs became Palestinian citizens? How many opted to receive the passport?
your plaintive question is quite irrelevant to the issue of putative Zionist legitimacy in a majority Arab state...
The indigenous people are a tiny minority in Americas - yet they have ALL the legitimacy to self-determination.
Are you calling into question an ethnic-cleansing attested to by the leading Zionist voices of the time? Are you entertaining the notion that the remnants of native Americans enjoy any level of 'self-determination???"
Shusha the one thing that you cannot hide is that you are a textbook Hasbara-troll...each absurd answer is pre-scripted and in circulation online...
Translation: I have no ability to provide reasonable responses to your claims.
LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?
Usually ethnically cleansed people remain a minority in their homeland, look at the many Arab Muslim countriesThe automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:
“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”
Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
Q. And how many Arabs became Palestinian citizens? How many opted to receive the passport?
your plaintive question is quite irrelevant to the issue of putative Zionist legitimacy in a majority Arab state...
The indigenous people are a tiny minority in Americas - yet they have ALL the legitimacy to self-determination.
Are you calling into question an ethnic-cleansing attested to by the leading Zionist voices of the time? Are you entertaining the notion that the remnants of native Americans enjoy any level of 'self-determination???"
Simply pointing to the fact that Arabs didn't become a majority by peaceful means, as any other invader in another peoples homeland.Invaders can become a majority.
Romans, Greeks and Arabs are invaders in the Levant.
BTW team Palestine still claims that Jews are a minority in Palestine...still deserve rights.
The Mandate was for Jews to become Palestinian citizens with the rest of the Palestinians.Can you document that assertion?
Again? Jeeze, I'll have to put this on perma-link to save me from doing it three times a day.
Mandate for Palestine:
Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.
The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.
If Palestine was already a State by the time this was written -- it was clearly a state for the Jewish people and to be developed by and eventually handed over to a Jewish government.
