Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore

If you are trying to argue that Israel is a State and that it was created from the existing rights of the Jewish people to a national homeland but that it SHOULD have incorporated all of the Arabs into that state -- that is an entirely different argument. Pick your poison and stick with it.

 

[Hollie]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

 

[rylah]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

I think it was about half million. The exact number is irrelevant.

 

[Shusha]

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

Sure. Citizenship in the reconstituted State of the Jewish national homeland with a Jewish governing body.

 

[rylah]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

I think it was about half million. The exact number is irrelevant.

More like 70,000 the number tells A LOT about how many actually opted to receive the citizenship.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

And all of those farmers in remote villages ran out to get passports. People in business or those seeking education needed them. The other people not so much.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

Sure. Citizenship in the reconstituted State of the Jewish national homeland with a Jewish governing body.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

And all of those farmers in remote villages ran out to get passports. People in business or those seeking education needed them. The other people not so much.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

I think it was about half million. The exact number is irrelevant.

A half million times the facts were recited to you and you still don’t understand.

 

[rylah]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

And all of those farmers in remote villages ran out to get passports. People in business or those seeking education needed them. The other people not so much.

for 10 years while fighting Jewish self-determination?? Nah...
Maybe they were ineligible on the conditions of "habitual residence".

The majority of Arabs didn't become Palestinian citizens.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

And all of those farmers in remote villages ran out to get passports. People in business or those seeking education needed them. The other people not so much.

Link?

Passports are not required for citizenship. They are only necessary for those who want/need to travel.

 

[rylah]

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

All other Palestinians?? Just how many do You imagine chose to become Palestinians?

The Mandatory Palestine passport refers to the travel document that was intended for residents of Mandatory Palestine between 1925 and 1948. The first brown-covered passport appeared around 1927, following the Nationality Law from 1925. From 1926 to 1935 alone approximately 70,000 of such travel documents were granted.[1]

Not so many Arabs became Palestinians.

And all of those farmers in remote villages ran out to get passports. People in business or those seeking education needed them. The other people not so much.

Link?

Passports are not required for citizenship. They are only necessary for those who want/need to travel.

Then how can one prove citizenship without a passport?

Seems that this "sate of Palestine" with only 70,000 citizens is a biiiiiig smokescreen nobody bought into, neither Arabs nor Jews.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You forgot article 7.

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

I think it was about half million. The exact number is irrelevant.

A half million times the facts were recited to you and you still don’t understand.

In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or—a small number—are Protestants. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

 

[Shusha]

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

Sure. Citizenship in the reconstituted State of the Jewish national homeland with a Jewish governing body.

Link?

Really? Here it is again. I'll highlight it again for you this time.

Mandate for Palestine:

Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

Sure. Citizenship in the reconstituted State of the Jewish national homeland with a Jewish governing body.

Link?

Really? Here it is again. I'll highlight it again for you this time.

Mandate for Palestine:

Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

It doesn't say Israel or Jewish state.

 

[Hollie]

I did so.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Thanks for reminding me.

framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

No, they did not have citizenship in any state. How many more times does this need to be explained to you? Give us a number.

I think it was about half million. The exact number is irrelevant.

A half million times the facts were recited to you and you still don’t understand.

In 1920, the British Government's Interim Report on the Civil Administration of Palestine stated that there were hardly 700,000 people living in Palestine:

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or—a small number—are Protestants. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years.

Demographic history of Palestine (region) - Wikipedia

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-arabs-in-palestine

A Population Boom
As Hussein foresaw, the regeneration of Palestine, and the growth of its population, came only after Jews returned in massive numbers. The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 19221947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem.

 

[Hollie]

And all of the other Palestinians already had citizenship without religious distinction.

Sure. Citizenship in the reconstituted State of the Jewish national homeland with a Jewish governing body.

Link?

Really? Here it is again. I'll highlight it again for you this time.

Mandate for Palestine:

Preamble: Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Article 2: The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

Article 4: An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Article 6: The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 7: The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

Article 11: The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Administration may arrange with the Jewish agency mentioned in Article 4 to construct or operate, upon fair and equitable terms, any public works, services and utilities, and to develop any of the natural resources of the country, in so far as these matters are not directly undertaken by the Administration. Any such arrangements shall provide that no profits distributed by such agency, directly or indirectly, shall exceed a reasonable rate of interest on the capital, and any further profits shall be utilised by it for the benefit of the country in a manner approved by the Administration.

It doesn't say Israel or Jewish state.

The state of Israel came later. The above doesn’t say gee-had or Islamist waqf.

 

[Ventura77]

LOL!!!! for the very same set of legal and ethical reasons that a self-entitled Jewish minority in Palestine shouldn't have it...capish?

What legal or ethical reasons are those? That only majorities should have rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

So, for example, the Catalans, as a minority, are prohibited from having rights to self-determination, sovereignty and independence?

A Jewish minority being granted 56% of land in a proposed nation where they cumulatively own less than 5% of the land??? To the obvious extent that they were not a 'dependent minority' they are not entitled to state 'independence" You're hilarious

56%?? How many times is with its' Palestinian majority Jordan bigger than Israel? How many times?

Knock-knock - do Indians own most of the land in the US?

Jordan is irrelevant to historic Palestine

Why because it has a Palestinian majority?
Because it's 100% Palestinian Arab state, where Jews were not allowed to live?

Arabs received much more than half the land already.

Typically you bottom-feeders assume that this level of flipping psychology is fool-proof---all the more pathetic...indeed the minority of Jews are permitted to 'live' in Palestine as was the case---NOT TO RAVAGE THE MAJORITY POPULATION AND STEAL FROM AND EXPEL 800,000 NATIVE PALESTINIANS...any questions Gestapo-girl???

 

[Shusha]

It doesn't say Israel or Jewish state.

It doesn't HAVE to, remember? That was the ENTIRE point of this line of the questioning. The territory was already a State in 1923. You have already established that.

What the Mandate agreement does then, is define that State and outline provisions for the government of that already existing State -- and that was the reconstitution of the Jewish national home with a Jewish government.