Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[rylah]

From a Palestinian institute

Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa Village Profile

History Deir al ‘Asal al Fauqa is an ancient village , the name of the village is derived from the word “Honey”, as historically, village residents used to keep bees and produce honey. Village officials remark that most of the families in the village have roots to the Arabian Peninsula from the Shamar tribe.
http://vprofile.arij.org/hebron/pdfs/Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa_pr_en.pdf

Shammar tribe

The tribe of Shammar (Arabic: شمّر Šammar) is an Arab Qahtanite tribe, descended from the ancient tribe of Tayy. It is one of the largest and most influential Arab tribes, with an estimated around 12 million members in the world: 3 million in Iraq, over 6.5 million inSaudi Arabia (concentrated in Ha'il), a Syrianpopulation thought to exceed 0.5 million, and an unknown number in Jordan, Kuwait, and Qatar.[1] The current seat of the tribe's leadership is in the city of Mosul in Northern Iraq. In its "golden age", around 1850, the tribe ruled much of central and northern Arabia from Riyadh to the frontiers of Syria and the vast area known as Al Jazira in Northern Iraq....
In the 17th century, a large section of the Shammar left Jabal Shammar under the leadership of the Al Jarba and settled in Iraq, reaching as far as the northern city ofMosul, their current stronghold.

apologies but your point escapes me...how does this information in any way alter the majority Arab demographic of Palestine or the ethnic-cleaning offensive it fell victim to under the onslaught of Zionist terror?

It actually exemplifies how Arabs become a majority in Palestine, and how they still identify as the colonizing invaders.

 

[Ventura77]

Typically you bottom-feeders assume that this level of flipping psychology is fool-proof---all the more pathetic...indeed the minority of Jews are permitted to 'live' in Palestine as was the case---NOT TO RAVAGE THE MAJORITY POPULATION AND STEAL FROM AND EXPEL 800,000 NATIVE PALESTINIANS...any questions Gestapo-girl???

Arab tribes were as much "natives" as the average US citizen is a native of Milwaukee.

If You apply team Palestine logic, then it was a natural conclusion of all the Arab pogroms against Palestinian Jews. They had the right to resist, and they eventually did.

Q. Why are You so stressed?

'stressed'???? Don't you correctly mean amused/disgusted? Apparently you share the same condition of historical ignorance common to your co-parrots...please permit me to assist: Arab-Palestinians constituted the overwhelming majority residents of Palestine from the late 7th century up to the midway of the 20th century...the problem with you scavengers is that you wrongly assume that you can 'occupy' documented history with the same brazen signatures with which you criminally occupy Palestinian lands...

Which of the Arab tribes dominated Palestine in the 7th century?

And while at it : what is the percentage of the Indigenous peoples in the Americas today, are they a majority?

Both questions are entirely irrelevant to the 12 centuries of residency rights of native Palestinians...as for the weak argument for native Americans, guess what low-brow? When White European Christians---the same strain which support Israeli crimes---were busy slaughtering native American tribes there was no recognized form of international law or property rights...this was not the case in 1948...I eagerly await your next pre-scripted bit of idiocy...

I never denied Palestinian Arabs had rights to live in the land, as much as Americans have rights due to longstanding presence. It's the Arabs who openly admit "Jews are not allowed".

But with international law, or without it - Arabs didn't become a majority in Palestine by peaceful means.

no stupid...not that 'Jews are not allowed"...Jews are a minority who have no legal or ethical right to impose their designs on a majority Arab population...

 

[Ventura77]

From a Palestinian institute

Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa Village Profile

History Deir al ‘Asal al Fauqa is an ancient village , the name of the village is derived from the word “Honey”, as historically, village residents used to keep bees and produce honey. Village officials remark that most of the families in the village have roots to the Arabian Peninsula from the Shamar tribe.
http://vprofile.arij.org/hebron/pdfs/Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa_pr_en.pdf

Shammar tribe

The tribe of Shammar (Arabic: شمّر Šammar) is an Arab Qahtanite tribe, descended from the ancient tribe of Tayy. It is one of the largest and most influential Arab tribes, with an estimated around 12 million members in the world: 3 million in Iraq, over 6.5 million inSaudi Arabia (concentrated in Ha'il), a Syrianpopulation thought to exceed 0.5 million, and an unknown number in Jordan, Kuwait, and Qatar.[1] The current seat of the tribe's leadership is in the city of Mosul in Northern Iraq. In its "golden age", around 1850, the tribe ruled much of central and northern Arabia from Riyadh to the frontiers of Syria and the vast area known as Al Jazira in Northern Iraq....
In the 17th century, a large section of the Shammar left Jabal Shammar under the leadership of the Al Jarba and settled in Iraq, reaching as far as the northern city ofMosul, their current stronghold.

apologies but your point escapes me...how does this information in any way alter the majority Arab demographic of Palestine or the ethnic-cleaning offensive it fell victim to under the onslaught of Zionist terror?

It actually exemplifies how Arabs become a majority in Palestine, and how they still identify with the invaders.

once again for the impenetrably dense: your argument is with Ben Gurion & company...good luck with that...LOL

 

[JoelT1]

No history of “palestinians”

History of the Jewish People Dead Sea Scrolls – Cultural Institute

 

[rylah]

Arab tribes were as much "natives" as the average US citizen is a native of Milwaukee.

If You apply team Palestine logic, then it was a natural conclusion of all the Arab pogroms against Palestinian Jews. They had the right to resist, and they eventually did.

Q. Why are You so stressed?

'stressed'???? Don't you correctly mean amused/disgusted? Apparently you share the same condition of historical ignorance common to your co-parrots...please permit me to assist: Arab-Palestinians constituted the overwhelming majority residents of Palestine from the late 7th century up to the midway of the 20th century...the problem with you scavengers is that you wrongly assume that you can 'occupy' documented history with the same brazen signatures with which you criminally occupy Palestinian lands...

Which of the Arab tribes dominated Palestine in the 7th century?

And while at it : what is the percentage of the Indigenous peoples in the Americas today, are they a majority?

Both questions are entirely irrelevant to the 12 centuries of residency rights of native Palestinians...as for the weak argument for native Americans, guess what low-brow? When White European Christians---the same strain which support Israeli crimes---were busy slaughtering native American tribes there was no recognized form of international law or property rights...this was not the case in 1948...I eagerly await your next pre-scripted bit of idiocy...

I never denied Palestinian Arabs had rights to live in the land, as much as Americans have rights due to longstanding presence. It's the Arabs who openly admit "Jews are not allowed".

But with international law, or without it - Arabs didn't become a majority in Palestine by peaceful means.

no stupid...not that 'Jews are not allowed"...Jews are a minority who have no legal or ethical right to impose their designs on a majority Arab population...

Exactly that - "Jews are not allowed":


So, you think it would be necessary to first transfer and remove every Jew—

Absolutely. No, I’m not saying to transfer every Jew, I’m saying transfer Jews who, after an agreement with Israel, fall under the jurisdiction of a Palestinian state.

Any Jew who is inside the borders of Palestine will have to leave?

Absolutely. I think this is a very necessary step, before we can allow the two states to somehow develop their separate national identities, and then maybe open up the doors for all kinds of cultural, social, political, economic exchanges, that freedom of movement of both citizens of Israelis and Palestinians from one area to another. You know you have to think of the day after.

MAEN RASHID AREIKAT - Palestinian Ambassador

 

[rylah]

From a Palestinian institute

Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa Village Profile

History Deir al ‘Asal al Fauqa is an ancient village , the name of the village is derived from the word “Honey”, as historically, village residents used to keep bees and produce honey. Village officials remark that most of the families in the village have roots to the Arabian Peninsula from the Shamar tribe.
http://vprofile.arij.org/hebron/pdfs/Deir al 'Asal al Fauqa_pr_en.pdf

Shammar tribe

The tribe of Shammar (Arabic: شمّر Šammar) is an Arab Qahtanite tribe, descended from the ancient tribe of Tayy. It is one of the largest and most influential Arab tribes, with an estimated around 12 million members in the world: 3 million in Iraq, over 6.5 million inSaudi Arabia (concentrated in Ha'il), a Syrianpopulation thought to exceed 0.5 million, and an unknown number in Jordan, Kuwait, and Qatar.[1] The current seat of the tribe's leadership is in the city of Mosul in Northern Iraq. In its "golden age", around 1850, the tribe ruled much of central and northern Arabia from Riyadh to the frontiers of Syria and the vast area known as Al Jazira in Northern Iraq....
In the 17th century, a large section of the Shammar left Jabal Shammar under the leadership of the Al Jarba and settled in Iraq, reaching as far as the northern city ofMosul, their current stronghold.

apologies but your point escapes me...how does this information in any way alter the majority Arab demographic of Palestine or the ethnic-cleaning offensive it fell victim to under the onslaught of Zionist terror?

It actually exemplifies how Arabs become a majority in Palestine, and how they still identify with the invaders.

once again for the impenetrably dense: your argument is with Ben Gurion & company...good luck with that...LOL

 

[JoelT1]

No history of “palestinians”

History of the Jewish People

 

[JoelT1]

Arabs laugh: “Palestinians” are fake

 

[flacaltenn]

This thread has been here for a couple years. It's TITLE remains the same. If posts dont address that concept, they should not be in THIS thread. NOTHING in the discussion should EVER be concerned with any political or social issues in the region AFTER the creation of the State of Israel. Except for discussion of how and where historically linked Palestinians live today. Battle in OTHER threads about everything else.

The thread and the violators have one more chance to discuss the topic. Otherwise, warnings will go out for PAST (or future) infractions.

 

[flacaltenn]

bump

 

[Shusha]

...Jews are a minority who have no legal or ethical right to impose their designs on a majority Arab population...

rylah

Ventura has taken the extremist view that no minority has rights to self-determination, sovereignty or independence -- that those rights belong only to the majority populations.

Therefore, no rights to the Catalans, the Tibetans, the Kurds, the First Nations peoples and many others.

 

[Ventura77]

...Jews are a minority who have no legal or ethical right to impose their designs on a majority Arab population...

rylah

Ventura has taken the extremist view that no minority has rights to self-determination, sovereignty or independence -- that those rights belong only to the majority populations.

Therefore, no rights to the Catalans, the Tibetans, the Kurds, the First Nations peoples and many others.

Oh may bad...what was I thinking??? Of course a minority of Jews inhere the right to usurp the residency and property rights of the majority, expel 800,000 of them...loot their homes and property and declare a new state....not sure where this putative right is inscribed but I'll take your word for it...no 'extremist view' in these actions huh? You must be sorrowfully warped...

 

[JoelT1]

History of the Jewish People Clay Tablet 'Jackpot' Reveals How Jews Lived in Babylon - NBC News

No history of “palestinians”

 

[Boston1]

There's no history of the palestinian people because there are no palestinian people. What we have is a conglomeration of recent Arabic speaking immigrants from the North African area that have no common background. That and the area was Southern Syria and the people considered themselves Syrian under Ottoman rule until Jordan was invented and now they are Jordanian. Ask the Jordanian king ;-)

Israel on the other hand is a homogenous group of people carrying specific genetic markers, sharing a language and culture as well as a religion unique to that culture. So yeah, clearly a unique people.

 

[abi]

That sounds like a scripted answer and is historically inaccurate.

Israel on the other hand is a homogenous group of people carrying specific genetic markers

This has never been shown.

Actually, I just posted a scientific paper on this very idea.

Results

Given the large number of scientific studies proclaiming that Jews are distinguishable from non-Jews (e.g., Need et al., 2009), we were surprised that only two individuals accepted the challenge. Both individuals have failed to correctly identify even a single Jewish individual. No criticism on the benchmark was received. 23andMe’s representative refused to participate in the challenge.
In Search of the jüdische Typus: A Proposed Benchmark to Test the Genetic Basis of Jewishness Challenges Notions of “Jewish Biomarkers”

 

[JoelT1]

History of the Jewish People The Hebrew Bible | The Story of the Jews | PBS

No history of “palestinians”

 

[abi]

No history of “palestinians”

That's an odd thing to assert. And then, what the heck is going here:

 

[JoelT1]

History of the Jewish People The Mesha Stele | Louvre Museum | Paris

No history of “palestinians”

 

[Shusha]

There's no history of the palestinian people because there are no palestinian people. What we have is a conglomeration of recent Arabic speaking immigrants from the North African area that have no common background. That and the area was Southern Syria and the people considered themselves Syrian under Ottoman rule until Jordan was invented and now they are Jordanian. Ask the Jordanian king ;-)

Israel on the other hand is a homogenous group of people carrying specific genetic markers, sharing a language and culture as well as a religion unique to that culture. So yeah, clearly a unique people.

The fundamental question as here, as is relevant to the Arab/Israel conflict, is how rights are determined. And the criteria seems to be discriminatory -- with Jews having to prove some sort of "correct" DNA or pass some sort of cultural test while the Arab Palestinians are subjected to no such measurements.

 

[JoelT1]

History of the Jewish People Merneptah Stele

No history of “palestinians”