Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Palestine, in any context, was NOT a word to be found in the entire Treaty of Lausanne.

Palestine's international borders were defined by international treaties.

(COMMENT)

ARTICLE 3.

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria:

The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921​

(2) With Iraq:

The frontier between Turkey and Iraq shall be laid down in friendly arrangement to be concluded between Turkey and Great Britain within nine months.

In the event of no agreement being reached between the two Governments within the time mentioned, the dispute shall be referred to the Council of the League of Nations.

The Turkish and British Governments reciprocally undertake that, pending the decision to be reached on the subject of the frontier, no military or other movement shall take place which might modify in any way the present state of the territories of which the final fate will depend upon that decision.​

I want you to take note that in the opening sentence in Article 3, the landscape covered by the words of description → "From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia" - completely includes the modern-day mantra → "From the River to the Sea."

I would very much appreciate your knowledge of some treaty identifying Palestine's borders. Who signed as the authority (competent authority of a State designating a person or persons to represent the State for negotiating, adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty) on behalf of Palestine?

Without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip, the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty (26 March 1979) covers that Area. And without prejudice to the status of any territories that came under Israeli military government control in 1967, the international boundary between Jordan and Israel is set forth in the Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994). But neither Treaty actually makes reference to the "Palestine Entity."

without prejudice, adv. (I5c) Without loss of any rights;
in a way that does not harm or cancel the legal rights or
privileges of a party <dismissed without prejudice>.
​

As far as all this discussion of what territory is called what, the fact of the matter is that - YES - the treaties on the matter of permanent international boundaries that are current today, are all that really counts.



Most Respectfully,
R

I would very much appreciate your knowledge of some treaty identifying Palestine's borders. Who signed as the authority (competent authority of a State designating a person or persons to represent the State for negotiating, adopting or authenticating the text of a treaty) on behalf of Palestine?

All of the proposed new states (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Palestine) had their territory defined before they became states. Therefor none of them were involves in any of those treaties. To say that Palestine's international borders are invalid because they did not sign any of the treaties is disingenuous because none of the new states signed any treaties. None of them were states yet.

Here again, you're trying to confuse the people.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I did not say anything was invalid. I'm not trying to confuse people at all. I' trying to extract some facts from you.

All of the proposed new states (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Palestine) had their territory defined before they became states. Therefor none of them were involves in any of those treaties. To say that Palestine's international borders are invalid because they did not sign any of the treaties is disingenuous because none of the new states signed any treaties. None of them were states yet.

Here again, you're trying to confuse the people.

(COMMENT)

Excluding the territorial limits devised by the Allied Powers:

◈ I want to know where this "new state" of Palestinian Territory (you are talking about) was defined?

◈ And why does this make a difference?​

◈ How does that impact today's treaties?​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I did not say anything was invalid. I'm not trying to confuse people at all. I' trying to extract some facts from you.

All of the proposed new states (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Palestine) had their territory defined before they became states. Therefor none of them were involves in any of those treaties. To say that Palestine's international borders are invalid because they did not sign any of the treaties is disingenuous because none of the new states signed any treaties. None of them were states yet.

Here again, you're trying to confuse the people.

(COMMENT)

Excluding the territorial limits devised by the Allied Powers:

◈ I want to know where this "new state" of Palestinian Territory (you are talking about) was defined?

◈ And why does this make a difference?​

◈ How does that impact today's treaties?​

Most Respectfully,
R

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Upon its detachment from the Ottomans, the territory of Palestine became distinct from its neighboring countries.6In fact, this separation began between Palestine and the newly created Arab ‘states’: Trans-Jordan (as it was called), Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.7 Soon thereafter, Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel

This site explains the establishment of Palestine's international borders.

 

[Shusha]

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

You always manage to just slide sideways from the truth in order to support your silly notions.

No. Nationality is not a legal bond between individuals and a territory. Pieces of land are not legal entities which can enter into relationships with other legal entities. Nationality is a legal bond (relationship) between individuals and a sovereign (a State). It's the State which has a legal relationship with territory: the right to control it, the right to utilize its resources, the right to give it away, the right to enter into agreements with other States or legal entities such as corporations concerning it.

I am not arguing with you what the boundaries of the territory are. Rocco isn't either. (He can confirm). We all agree that the boundaries were established through legal documents and treaties and through the general principle of territories maintaining their previous boundaries with a new sovereign. You don't have to convince us what the boundaries are.

The dispute is not with the boundaries, but who the sovereign was. The territory (with its boundaries) came under the control of the only sovereign which was entitled to sovereignty and the only sovereign which became self-governing: Israel.

 

[Shusha]

[Palestine’s frontiers acquired permanent recognition through bilateral agreements with its neighbors.

Which bilateral agreements were those?

 

[Shusha]

All of the proposed new states (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Palestine) had their territory defined before they became states... None of them were states yet.

So as not to confuse people....

Territory can be defined with boundaries and still NOT be a State. There can be a period of time between when the territory is defined and when the territory comes under control of a sovereign.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a misinterpretation of the Customary Law relative to preventing stateless people (Convention Relating to the Status of Stateless Persons) and Customary Law relative to preventing refugees (Convention and Protocols Relating to the Status of Refugees) and the Customary Law on nationality.

Genesis of Citizenship in Palestine and Israel
This site explains the establishment of Palestine's international borders.

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FIRST: These and other Customary Laws of the period, are now found in Chapter V • Administrative Measures, in the Convention Relating to the Status of Stateless Persons. They have been used customarily all through the 20th Century.

◈ The Authorities in control over those persons in their territory shall issue identity papers to any stateless person in their territory who does not possess a valid travel document.

◈ The Authorities in control shall issue to stateless lawfully staying in their territory travel documents for the purpose of travel out-by their own authorities, unless compelling reasons national security or public order otherwise required.

◈ The Authorities in control shall as far as possible facilitate the assimilation and naturalization Transfer of stateless persons. They shall in particular. . make every effort to expedite naturalization.​

SECOND: These Customary Laws are now found in Chapter V • Administrative Measures, in the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. They have been used customarily all through the 20th Century.

◈ The Authorities in control shall issue identity papers to any refugee in their ter-ritory who does not possess a valid travel document.

◈ The Authorities in control shall deliver or cause to be delivered under their supervision to refugees such documents or certifications as would normally be delivered to aliens by or through their national authorities.

◈ Documents or certifications so delivered by the Authorities in control shall stand in the stead of the official instruments delivered to aliens by or through their national authorities, and shall be given credence in the absence of proof to the contrary.​

In the older lanugage, concerning nationality in the early period of the 20th Century, these were written into the Treaties and international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation. Thus, the Allied Powers had Section II • Nationality, within the Treaty of Lausanne as the priciple carrier and prime mover behind these Customary Laws and Protocolos.

It was on this basis that territories, like those under Mandate, which had not yet been organized into "new states" (the former Ottoman Leventine Territories) that the Mandatory treated the inhabitance.

As far as the Allied Powers were concerned, the Treaty and the Mandate agreed that the Allied Powers full authority to establish, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Allied Powers, the future of these territories being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The decision was made and acted upon. These actions do not conflict with your Paragraph 5 Opinion. However, Paragraph 7, is a conflict in that it leads the outside observer with the impression that the boundaries where NOT under the decision and control of the Allied Powers. Don't get it in your head that you can reinterperet the decision ("It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.") and come up to a different conclusion. It was determined by the Mandatory that: "Palestine is today (being 25 February 1948) a legal entity but it is NOT a sovereign state."

Depending on the Ruling of the Court, and the Court's definition of a "sovereign state" → it may not yet be considered a soveriegn state.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

You always manage to just slide sideways from the truth in order to support your silly notions.

No. Nationality is not a legal bond between individuals and a territory. Pieces of land are not legal entities which can enter into relationships with other legal entities. Nationality is a legal bond (relationship) between individuals and a sovereign (a State). It's the State which has a legal relationship with territory: the right to control it, the right to utilize its resources, the right to give it away, the right to enter into agreements with other States or legal entities such as corporations concerning it.

I am not arguing with you what the boundaries of the territory are. Rocco isn't either. (He can confirm). We all agree that the boundaries were established through legal documents and treaties and through the general principle of territories maintaining their previous boundaries with a new sovereign. You don't have to convince us what the boundaries are.

The dispute is not with the boundaries, but who the sovereign was. The territory (with its boundaries) came under the control of the only sovereign which was entitled to sovereignty and the only sovereign which became self-governing: Israel.

The dispute is not with the boundaries, but who the sovereign was. The territory (with its boundaries) came under the control of the only sovereign which was entitled to sovereignty and the only sovereign which became self-governing: Israel.

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?

Links?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

You always manage to just slide sideways from the truth in order to support your silly notions.

No. Nationality is not a legal bond between individuals and a territory. Pieces of land are not legal entities which can enter into relationships with other legal entities. Nationality is a legal bond (relationship) between individuals and a sovereign (a State). It's the State which has a legal relationship with territory: the right to control it, the right to utilize its resources, the right to give it away, the right to enter into agreements with other States or legal entities such as corporations concerning it.

I am not arguing with you what the boundaries of the territory are. Rocco isn't either. (He can confirm). We all agree that the boundaries were established through legal documents and treaties and through the general principle of territories maintaining their previous boundaries with a new sovereign. You don't have to convince us what the boundaries are.

The dispute is not with the boundaries, but who the sovereign was. The territory (with its boundaries) came under the control of the only sovereign which was entitled to sovereignty and the only sovereign which became self-governing: Israel.

The dispute is not with the boundaries, but who the sovereign was. The territory (with its boundaries) came under the control of the only sovereign which was entitled to sovereignty and the only sovereign which became self-governing: Israel.

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?

Links?

How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?

From the losers, Ottomans.

World War I - Wikipedia

 

[Shusha]

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?

You always ask this question. And always ignore the answer.

The Jewish people were entitled to sovereignty because of their existing rights to self-determination on their homeland of origin, as made into law with the San Remo Conference and the Mandate for Palestine. The Jewish people obtained actual sovereignty by developing self-governing institutions and declaring independence.

Its the normal way.

If they put their minds to it, the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians can do it too.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.

Nice deflection.

That wasn't the question.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan.

That is not true.

There was proposed territory and borders by the partition plan but the plan was never implemented. Therefore there was no land or borders established.

By the time Israel proclaimed those borders, it had blown past those borders and was attacking in proposed Arab land and Jerusalem. Israel has never recognized those borders as its international borders.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan.

That is not true.

There was proposed territory and borders by the partition plan but the plan was never implemented. Therefore there was no land or borders established.

By the time Israel proclaimed those borders, it had blown past those borders and was attacking in proposed Arab land and Jerusalem. Israel has never recognized those borders as its international borders.

The plan was never implemented. What plan was that?

 

[Hollie]

• Why Some Palestinians Love Soleimani
  
  [Many] Arabs have claimed that they cannot understand why Hamas and Islamic Jihad are mourning an Iranian general responsible for the killing and displacement of thousands of people in Iraq, Syria and Yemen. Some Arabs scoffed at the two Palestinian groups for labeling Soleimani as the "martyr of Jerusalem" at a time "when most of his rockets and bullets were being used to kill Arabs and Muslims to implement Iran's scheme of expanding its control to Arab and Islamic countries."
  
  
• Without Iran's financial, military and political support, Hamas and Islamic Jihad would not have been able to maintain their control over the Gaza Strip.... Hamas and Islamic Jihad have demonstrated that they care nothing for the thousands of Arabs and Muslims killed by Soleimani's Quds Force. As far as these groups are concerned... [t]he end goal for Hamas and Islamic Jihad remains the elimination of Israel....
  

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities.

Do you mean between the natives and settlers?

The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

The propaganda states that Arab armies attacked Israel. This is not true. The Arab armies fought Israeli forces in Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •
​

Israel made promises to be accepted into the UN. Then after its acceptance, it reneged on those promises.

Israel lied to get into the UN.​

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •
​

Israel made promises to be accepted into the UN. Then after its acceptance, it reneged on those promises.

Israel lied to get into the UN.​

Silly conspiracy theories.

 

[Hollie]

The Fem gee-had wants you.

I'd want to ask some questions about equal benefits for "martyrdom", you know, like virgins, a street bearing my name, etc., before I joined up.



The Palestinian Authority's National Security Forces (NSF) and the Fatah movement recently held a training camp for high school girls, at which the participants wore military-style uniforms and took part in various activities, some of them military, such as training with mock weapons.[1] The camp was named after Karim Younis, an Israeli Arab who is serving a life sentence for the kidnapping and murder of an Israeli soldier in 1980.[2] Younis, who is the longest-serving Palestinian prisoner in Israeli custody, and has served 38 years of his 40-year prison term, is greatly revered by Fatah and the Palestinian Authority (PA). In 2017 he was even elected to Fatah's Central Committee, and PA officials refer to him as "the eldest of the prisoners."

This document reviews the reports on the Karim Younis training camp, and a statement issued by Fatah in his honor.

Participants hold up a poster bearing the name of the camp, with a portrait of Karim Younis flanked by those of Palestinian President Mahmoud 'Abbas and Yasser Arafat (Source: Facebook.com/shabeba2017, January 7, 2020)

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The generalized answer is: Through the Right of Self-Determination, Israel Declared Independence.

The first Arab-Israeli war, 1948-1949 (Pages 9, 10): On 14 May 1948, Britain relinquished its Mandate over Palestine and disengaged its forces. On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan. Fierce hostilities immediately broke out between the Arab and Jewish communities. The next day, regular troops of the neighboring Arab States entered the territory to assist the Palestinian Arabs.

(Page 12) On 11 May 1949, Israel became a Member of the United Nations. In admitting Israel, the General Assembly specifically took note of Israel’s declarations and explanations made earlier to the Assembly’s Ad Hoc Political Committee regarding the implementation of resolutions 181 (II) and 194 (III). Those declarations and explanations referred, among other things, to the international regime envisaged for Jerusalem, the problem of Arab refugees and boundary questions.
SOURCE: UN Bluebook - Question of Palestine •

Interesting. How did Israel acquire this territory and this sovereignty?
Links?

(COMMENT)

Foreign relations of Israel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ...

Israel has diplomatic relations with 162 of the 193 UN member states as of December 2019. Israel maintains full diplomatic relations and open borders with two of its Arab neighbours, Egypt and Jordan, after signing peace treaties in 1979 and 1994 respectively.


Most Respectfully,
R

On the same day, the Jewish Agency proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel on the territory allotted to it by the partition plan.

That is not true.

There was proposed territory and borders by the partition plan but the plan was never implemented. Therefore there was no land or borders established.

By the time Israel proclaimed those borders, it had blown past those borders and was attacking in proposed Arab land and Jerusalem. Israel has never recognized those borders as its international borders.

Look at the map. Israel implemented the shit out of it.
How'd the Arab failure to implement the plan work out for them?
Look at the map.