Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

[Cecilie1200]

I dont have to. Read this and educate yourself.

Why Poverty Leads to Obesity and Life-Long Problems | Scholars Strategy Network

Poor families have limited food budgets and choices, and must often stretch supplies toward the end of the month, before another check or allocation of Food Stamps arrives. This leads to unhealthy behaviors in several ways:

• Families choose high-fat foods dense with energy – foods such as sugars, cereals, potatoes and processed meat products – because these foods are more affordable and last longer than fresh vegetables and fruits and lean meats and fish.
  
  
• Poor families often live in disadvantaged neighborhoods where healthy foods are hard to find. Instead of large supermarkets, poor neighborhoods have a disproportionate number of fast food chains and small food stores providing cheap, high-fat foods.
  
  
• Economic insecurity – such as trouble paying bills or rent – leads to stress, and people often cope by eating high-fat, sugary foods.

Options for regular physical activity can also be restricted for poor people:

• Families cannot usually afford to pay for organized children’s activities outside of school – and schools in impoverished areas are less likely to run sports or physical activity programs than schools with more resources.
  
  
• Due to inflexible work schedules, lack of transportation, or unmet needs for child care, poor parents, especially single mothers, may find it hard to support extra activities for their children. Leaving kids in front of the TV is often all stressed poor parents can manage.
  
  
• In many poor neighborhoods, parks, playgrounds, trails, and free public gyms are often not available or safe. Neighborhoods may be crime-ridden, and there may be no nearby indoor places for play or exercise. Ironically, parental efforts to keep kids safe and indoors may increase encourage sedentary behaviors such as watching TV and playing video games.

So you can't make a list of a healthy diet?
I don't need your bullshit socialist study, let's work with hard facts.

List the grocery items and lets go shopping and see what a healthy diet costs versus fast food .

You won't because you know you're full of shit.

I made a list. You want to play games so I sent you to educate yourself.

I can eat healthy for $60 a week.
Fast food is around $150 a week for cheap stuff.

So your entire theory is blown to hell of which it came from.

It is not just price. It is also time. In a house of two people working paying bills it is hard to find time to prepare a good meal or sometimes you are just to damn tired to do it. While it is true that food bad for you is not really cheaper it is not labor intensive. Think about it this way. Who the hell wants to debone a chicken after working 12 hours? Also I hate the fact that people ever care what I eat... I giant chunk of my pay check goes to food. ALL FOOD. none of it is really cheap any more. I am sure if I was on food stamps I could eat steak and shrimp but I am not on welfare I work for a living and cant afford those things. I also dont just feed myself. Two people work in my household of 4 . We pay our bills and buy food and sometimes we have something extra to buy for ourselves which isn't very often.

You want to know a expense I have??? My daughters school. She goes to public school and is a honor roll student. Yet there isnt a week that goes by that the school doesn't seem to have a hand in my pocket for something or another. 80 dollar calculator, Lap top, uniform for cheer leading or sports or what ever activity she is at that time.... Now I could say no you cant be in that activity and no I dont care if you work hard to get a scholarship to a university I know me of my wife cant afford. I am not a liberal I cant do that.

sorry pal, just excuses. make five meals on the weekend while you have time and freeze them. then pop them in the oven when you get home after your 12 hour shift. excuses are just that, excuses.

Or do like I do, and have a list of really cheap, easy meals that can be thrown together quickly. I flat-out refuse to come home from work and fiddle around with complicated cooking, but I'm also determined that my family will eat complete, nutritious meals. The section of my cookbook for easy-peasy meals is invaluable.

 

[Cecilie1200]

They eat cheap high caloric food loaded with starch, fat, and sugar.

they CHOOSE to eat that garbage

Choices are often made based on what people know. If you educated people badly, they'll then eat bad food at lot.

But then you'll have excuses for why people shouldn't be educated, just so you can blame them for making bad choices.

that's bullshit too

ask anyone if a salad is healthier than a Snickers bar and tell me what they say

Yeah sure, and ask anyone which they'd prefer to eat, and many would say Snickers Bar simply because they don't know what the snickers bar will actually do to them.

Again, it's about making choices and having reasons to make those choices.

If the salad tasted better because they'd been taught how to do it, taught how to enjoy salad, then maybe they'd eat it. If they'd been taught what sugar does to their brains then maybe they'd have reasons no to eat the snickers. Some would, some wouldn't.

But education is how you change people's attitudes. Maybe if a snickers wasn't cheaper than a salad, then maybe people would also choose to eat salad.

But hey, you keep them there excuses rolling.

so now you're saying the public schools don't educate the kids on what nutrition is? LOL.

Well, take a look around you at the increasing numbers of uneducated imbeciles in society, and YOU tell US.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

if you actually thought about it, it is dems keeping them dependent and holding them back. The repubs want them to be successful. Not sure how you get where you got. your facts are messed up.

^ this!!

To maintain power, Dems need a permanent underclass

 

[Cecilie1200]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

if you actually thought about it, it is dems keeping them dependent and holding them back. The repubs want them to be successful. Not sure how you get where you got. your facts are messed up.

If Republicans wanted them to be successful, they'd educate them better and allow them to have decent healthcare. But they don't... in fact they don't want them doing better, if they do better they'll take the jobs they think their children are entitled to.

Educate them more??? I have to teach my kids after they come back from school because it seems schools are to busy teaching about homosexuals and social justice. regessives dont educate they indoctrinate.

As the board regulars know, my 2nd grader is home-schooled. My grandson, who is in 3rd grade, goes to a public school. When he comes over to spend the weekend, he sometimes brings his homework, and the 2nd grader helps him with it when he needs it.

 

[rightwinger]

Show me a flat tax where the rich don't end up paying less and the poor end up paying more

My choice is the Fair Tax but you wouldn't understand that either.

Splain

Then show that your fair tax does not result in an overall reduction of what the wealthy are paying

 

[frigidweirdo]

Choices are often made based on what people know. If you educated people badly, they'll then eat bad food at lot.

But then you'll have excuses for why people shouldn't be educated, just so you can blame them for making bad choices.

that's bullshit too

ask anyone if a salad is healthier than a Snickers bar and tell me what they say

Yeah sure, and ask anyone which they'd prefer to eat, and many would say Snickers Bar simply because they don't know what the snickers bar will actually do to them.

Again, it's about making choices and having reasons to make those choices.

If the salad tasted better because they'd been taught how to do it, taught how to enjoy salad, then maybe they'd eat it. If they'd been taught what sugar does to their brains then maybe they'd have reasons no to eat the snickers. Some would, some wouldn't.

But education is how you change people's attitudes. Maybe if a snickers wasn't cheaper than a salad, then maybe people would also choose to eat salad.

But hey, you keep them there excuses rolling.

I didn't say prefer to eat I said ask them which food is better for them

they already know so as I said they CHOOSE to eat crappy food even though they KNOW what healthy food is

So we should restrict what kinds of food can be bought with government handout money

But then ask them WHY a salad is better for them rather than a snickers, and do you think they'll be able to give a good enough answer for them to make a good decision?

Do you know what sugar does to your brain? Do you know why it reduces the oxygen levels to your brain making you more forgetful? Do you know what things you need to take in order to be healthier?

Many don't. You need to teach people.

I've been doing research into the impact of bad eating on learning, and it's shocking, and I know for certain those most people don't have a clue.

it doesn't matter.
everyone KNOWS already that fruit is better than candy
everyone knows that to lose weight you need to eat less and move more

sooner or later everything is a choice

eating like shit is a choice
being fat is a choice

sorry to tell you this but I am not responsible for other people's poor choices neither is anyone else

Yes, they do. But everyone knows that smoking can cause lung cancer. But everyone knows that smoking is cool and it can help you lose weight too.

People know a lot of things. But there are lots of choices. Smoking is addictive, so is sugar. Do people know this? This isn't just an issue of weight.

Did you know the recommended daily amount for food differs in the US? Yeah, the US has calorie intake at a much higher level than other countries. Doesn't help when people are told that a larger size is the acceptable norm.

Again, it's about helping people to make the right choices. What seems obvious to many, isn't. Saying "do 3 hours of exercise a day" doesn't get into people's brains. Showing people what not doing this exercise will do to their bodies is another matter. Teaching them, having them think about it, having them think about the consequences, this is the sort of thing that education is failing to do.

 

[rightwinger]

All poor folks are 'Evil Lazy Welfare' Boogeymen to the average white Republican. They generalize and demonize. It makes them feel justified in hating and abusing the least fortunate among us. It's exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught. Yet most of them truly believe the pearly gates await them. They're lost hateful souls.

Republicans Most Generous People In The World, Democrats: Not So Much

Republicans give more to their churches
Means money goes to Pastors, church maintenance, a new organ, robes for the choir

Doesn't mean the money is going to poor families

Tithe goes to salaries...offering to charity.

Still deducted on their taxes

Your point being?

Try to follow the thread

Relates to the claim that Republicans do more for the poor

 

[Moonglow]

So you can't make a list of a healthy diet?
I don't need your bullshit socialist study, let's work with hard facts.

List the grocery items and lets go shopping and see what a healthy diet costs versus fast food .

You won't because you know you're full of shit.

I made a list. You want to play games so I sent you to educate yourself.

I can eat healthy for $60 a week.
Fast food is around $150 a week for cheap stuff.

So your entire theory is blown to hell of which it came from.

It is not just price. It is also time. In a house of two people working paying bills it is hard to find time to prepare a good meal or sometimes you are just to damn tired to do it. While it is true that food bad for you is not really cheaper it is not labor intensive. Think about it this way. Who the hell wants to debone a chicken after working 12 hours? Also I hate the fact that people ever care what I eat... I giant chunk of my pay check goes to food. ALL FOOD. none of it is really cheap any more. I am sure if I was on food stamps I could eat steak and shrimp but I am not on welfare I work for a living and cant afford those things. I also dont just feed myself. Two people work in my household of 4 . We pay our bills and buy food and sometimes we have something extra to buy for ourselves which isn't very often.

You want to know a expense I have??? My daughters school. She goes to public school and is a honor roll student. Yet there isnt a week that goes by that the school doesn't seem to have a hand in my pocket for something or another. 80 dollar calculator, Lap top, uniform for cheer leading or sports or what ever activity she is at that time.... Now I could say no you cant be in that activity and no I dont care if you work hard to get a scholarship to a university I know me of my wife cant afford. I am not a liberal I cant do that.

sorry pal, just excuses. make five meals on the weekend while you have time and freeze them. then pop them in the oven when you get home after your 12 hour shift. excuses are just that, excuses.

Or do like I do, and have a list of really cheap, easy meals that can be thrown together quickly. I flat-out refuse to come home from work and fiddle around with complicated cooking, but I'm also determined that my family will eat complete, nutritious meals. The section of my cookbook for easy-peasy meals is invaluable.

I used to prepare meals on the weekends and freeze them for the work week..

 

[Papageorgio]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

Studies show that Republicans donate more to charity than Democrats who will only donate if forced by taxes. So, I guess it depends on silly you want to be with stupid news stories.

You seem to be all in on stupid.

 

[Rustic]

Show me a flat tax where the rich don't end up paying less and the poor end up paying more

My choice is the Fair Tax but you wouldn't understand that either.

Splain

Then show that your fair tax does not result in an overall reduction of what the wealthy are paying

Only a fucking moron would be for a progressive tax of any sort.

 

[Kosh]

Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

Interesting article and much of it chimes with what we see in the UK.

It has to be coated with a thin veneer of religion to make it acceptable but in essence right wing politics is based on a selfish me me me doctrine. DISCUSS

Gee a far left drone believing a far left hack site.

Who would have thunk that!

 

[Markle]

Once you have single payer nobody can complain. They all get the same equally shitty healthcare. Which I guess the left thinks is fair.

The same except different.

The common folk get the standard health care as can be afforded by the government budget. Think VA hospitals. The wealthy have a private system of the superior doctors and facilities which are paid for with cash.

So the ever-elusive "equal" care envisioned by the moonbeams, snowflakes and unicorns never materializes.

 

[thanatos144]

I dont have to. Read this and educate yourself.

Why Poverty Leads to Obesity and Life-Long Problems | Scholars Strategy Network

Poor families have limited food budgets and choices, and must often stretch supplies toward the end of the month, before another check or allocation of Food Stamps arrives. This leads to unhealthy behaviors in several ways:

• Families choose high-fat foods dense with energy – foods such as sugars, cereals, potatoes and processed meat products – because these foods are more affordable and last longer than fresh vegetables and fruits and lean meats and fish.
  
  
• Poor families often live in disadvantaged neighborhoods where healthy foods are hard to find. Instead of large supermarkets, poor neighborhoods have a disproportionate number of fast food chains and small food stores providing cheap, high-fat foods.
  
  
• Economic insecurity – such as trouble paying bills or rent – leads to stress, and people often cope by eating high-fat, sugary foods.

Options for regular physical activity can also be restricted for poor people:

• Families cannot usually afford to pay for organized children’s activities outside of school – and schools in impoverished areas are less likely to run sports or physical activity programs than schools with more resources.
  
  
• Due to inflexible work schedules, lack of transportation, or unmet needs for child care, poor parents, especially single mothers, may find it hard to support extra activities for their children. Leaving kids in front of the TV is often all stressed poor parents can manage.
  
  
• In many poor neighborhoods, parks, playgrounds, trails, and free public gyms are often not available or safe. Neighborhoods may be crime-ridden, and there may be no nearby indoor places for play or exercise. Ironically, parental efforts to keep kids safe and indoors may increase encourage sedentary behaviors such as watching TV and playing video games.

So you can't make a list of a healthy diet?
I don't need your bullshit socialist study, let's work with hard facts.

List the grocery items and lets go shopping and see what a healthy diet costs versus fast food .

You won't because you know you're full of shit.

I made a list. You want to play games so I sent you to educate yourself.

I can eat healthy for $60 a week.
Fast food is around $150 a week for cheap stuff.

So your entire theory is blown to hell of which it came from.

It is not just price. It is also time. In a house of two people working paying bills it is hard to find time to prepare a good meal or sometimes you are just to damn tired to do it. While it is true that food bad for you is not really cheaper it is not labor intensive. Think about it this way. Who the hell wants to debone a chicken after working 12 hours? Also I hate the fact that people ever care what I eat... I giant chunk of my pay check goes to food. ALL FOOD. none of it is really cheap any more. I am sure if I was on food stamps I could eat steak and shrimp but I am not on welfare I work for a living and cant afford those things. I also dont just feed myself. Two people work in my household of 4 . We pay our bills and buy food and sometimes we have something extra to buy for ourselves which isn't very often.

You want to know a expense I have??? My daughters school. She goes to public school and is a honor roll student. Yet there isnt a week that goes by that the school doesn't seem to have a hand in my pocket for something or another. 80 dollar calculator, Lap top, uniform for cheer leading or sports or what ever activity she is at that time.... Now I could say no you cant be in that activity and no I dont care if you work hard to get a scholarship to a university I know me of my wife cant afford. I am not a liberal I cant do that.

sorry pal, just excuses. make five meals on the weekend while you have time and freeze them. then pop them in the oven when you get home after your 12 hour shift. excuses are just that, excuses.

I explained things to you. Not making excuses just telling you what happens. You dont like it? To fucking bad I am not asking you for anything. By the way why do you even care what people eat?

 

[Redfish]

Show me a flat tax where the rich don't end up paying less and the poor end up paying more

My choice is the Fair Tax but you wouldn't understand that either.

Splain

Then show that your fair tax does not result in an overall reduction of what the wealthy are paying

if the flat tax is 10% (just to make the math easy for you). If a person makes 100 million he pays 10 million in tax, if a person makes 10 thousand he pays 1 thousand in tax. That alone might result in a lower tax bill for the very rich, however most flat tax plans have an income floor below which you pay no tax and/or get a tax rebate.

Those plans also tax ALL forms of income with no exemptions and deductions, so we would be collecting taxes from the uber rich on investments, dividends, capital gains, and all other forms that are currently exempt. It would be a net increase in govt revenue, would eliminate the need for a massive IRS, and would allow everyone to file on a post card.

But I do understand your left wing ideas that all rich (except actors, academics, and democrat politicians) are evil and must be punished for their success.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why are much of the poor in The United States fat?

Because to eat healthy takes more money and time. The poor tend to eat more processed foods. Organic foods cost a lot more. Uncared bacon for example costs more than processed bacon that has been filled with nitrates. Organic fruits and vegetables cost more than non organic. It is cheaper to buy highly processed mac and cheese than buy the organic macaroni and organic cheeses.

Buying Coke and Mountain Dew is cheaper than buying real fruit juice.

 

[thanatos144]

Show me a flat tax where the rich don't end up paying less and the poor end up paying more

My choice is the Fair Tax but you wouldn't understand that either.

Splain

Then show that your fair tax does not result in an overall reduction of what the wealthy are paying

Because the rich buy more stuff.... Good lord are you really that simple?

 

[Markle]

All other modern countries have better life spans than us

Health care has nothing to do with Life Spans. You know this but just have nothing to do but stir your pot.

Why not spend some time and look into the quality of life for patients and length of life after contracting a critical illness.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why are much of the poor in The United States fat?

They eat cheap high caloric food loaded with starch, fat, and sugar.

they CHOOSE to eat that garbage

Choices are often made based on what people know. If you educated people badly, they'll then eat bad food at lot.

But then you'll have excuses for why people shouldn't be educated, just so you can blame them for making bad choices.

Government can't educate. Only people can educate themselves

And yet another excuse.

Actually you could say "teachers can't educate, pupils can only teach themselves", and yet good teachers inspire and bad teachers.... expire????

You're talking crap of course.

Govt can set out a way for education to succeed, or not, and you can see the difference in education systems throughout the world. Otherwise if your fantasy world were real, a kid in Somalia would have as much chance of making it in this world as a kid in the best schools.... but it ain't so.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Show me a flat tax where the rich don't end up paying less and the poor end up paying more

My choice is the Fair Tax but you wouldn't understand that either.

Splain

Then show that your fair tax does not result in an overall reduction of what the wealthy are paying

Because the rich buy more stuff.... Good lord are you really that simple?

Actually, if you gave one million dollars to a rich person, and $1 dollar to 1 million poor people, which would see the quickest use of money?

 

[Redfish]

Why are much of the poor in The United States fat?

Because to eat healthy takes more money and time. The poor tend to eat more processed foods. Organic foods cost a lot more. Uncared bacon for example costs more than processed bacon that has been filled with nitrates. Organic fruits and vegetables cost more than non organic. It is cheaper to buy highly processed mac and cheese than buy the organic macaroni and organic cheeses.

Buying Coke and Mountain Dew is cheaper than buying real fruit juice.

BS. oatmeal is cheap, rice is cheap, hamburger is cheap, orange juice is cheap, people are fat (both rich and poor) because of what they choose to eat, not what they are forced to eat.

Do you think Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnel can afford organic food?