Why do polls show support for gay marriage, when the states keep rejecting it?

[Plasmaball]

I'm waiting for someone to say something that justifies a response.

In a thread where you and rw are circling, it could be a long wait.

why you where already proven wrong by 3 people in this already which you ignored as usual. so now you are reduced to....well...nothing..nothing but trolling your own thread claiming nobody is in here to take serious.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

"...a new study suggests that opposition to same-sex marriage may be understated in public opinion polls. Using pre-election polling data in states that have voted on same-sex marriage measures, political scientist Richard J. Powell found that pre-election surveys consistently underestimated opposition to these laws by 5 to 7 percentage points."

"Social desirability bias in polling comes in many flavors. Perhaps the most well known is the “Bradley Effect,” named after former Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley, a black man, who faced Republican George Deukmejian, who was white, in the 1982 California gubernatorial race. Bradley held a substantial lead in most pre-election polls, only to lose narrowly. His defeat fueled speculation that some white voters had given misleading answers to poll-takers, saying they supported Bradley or were undecided but really favored Deukmejian.

"But it wasn’t until 2007 that Harvard political scientist Daniel Hopkins confirmed the existence of the effect. He studied elections between 1989 and 2006 that pitted black and white Senate candidates against each other. He found that the black candidates polled better than their final share of the vote in contests with white candidates in elections through 1996. But the effect then vanished, for reasons that he said were unclear."

Study: Opposition to same-sex marriage may be understated in public opinion polls | Pew Research Center

turn out. ''

God, gays, and guns. It motivates the hateful and the resentful

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Homosexual marriage is consistently defeated in the only poll that matters, the voting booth. The problem is that the will of the people is overturned by lifetime appointed liberal federal judges.

Ignorant nonsense.

Judges rule on the cases before them based on the facts and case law, having nothing to do with a judge being ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative.’

Read the rulings from California, Utah, and Oklahoma striking down measures that violate the civil liberties of same-sex couples; in each case the judge or judges followed long-standing, settled, and accepted 14th Amendment jurisprudence with regard to substantive due process and equal protection rights. Each judge followed a logical and consistent process of examining the merits of the cases.

These laws were struck down because they were not rationally based, lacked any objective, documented evidence in support, and failed to pursue a proper legislative end – and they were appropriately invalidated accordingly.

 

[bodecea]

I'm waiting for someone to say something that justifies a response.

In a thread where you and rw are circling, it could be a long wait.

Why won't you answer my question and clarify what you said earlier? Is it because you are afraid to?

 

[daws101]

Did you think democrat party was only one party? There are at least three in the DNC The bluedogs , the liberal, and the fascist progressive.

your point? dodging doesn't make you any less an idiot or an asshole.

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Start a thread and I'll list them there.

You brought it up in this thread, I'm asking you in this thread. But I wager you run away and coward out of answering, "koshergrl".

I think she and Sil were plotting against you, bodecea, and you made them back away.

Good for you.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm waiting for someone to say something that justifies a response.

In a thread where you and rw are circling, it could be a long wait.

Why won't you answer my question and clarify what you said earlier? Is it because you are afraid to?

Of course she is. She tried to bait you and failed.

 

[koshergrl]

your point? dodging doesn't make you any less an idiot or an asshole.

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

 

[bodecea]

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

Of course it is.

 

[koshergrl]

Homosexual marriage is consistently defeated in the only poll that matters, the voting booth. The problem is that the will of the people is overturned by lifetime appointed liberal federal judges.

Ignorant nonsense.

Judges rule on the cases before them based on the facts and case law, having nothing to do with a judge being ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative.’

Read the rulings from California, Utah, and Oklahoma striking down measures that violate the civil liberties of same-sex couples; in each case the judge or judges followed long-standing, settled, and accepted 14th Amendment jurisprudence with regard to substantive due process and equal protection rights. Each judge followed a logical and consistent process of examining the merits of the cases.

These laws were struck down because they were not rationally based, lacked any objective, documented evidence in support, and failed to pursue a proper legislative end – and they were appropriately invalidated accordingly.

You bet, skippy.

 

[bodecea]

Homosexual marriage is consistently defeated in the only poll that matters, the voting booth. The problem is that the will of the people is overturned by lifetime appointed liberal federal judges.

Ignorant nonsense.

Judges rule on the cases before them based on the facts and case law, having nothing to do with a judge being ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative.’

Read the rulings from California, Utah, and Oklahoma striking down measures that violate the civil liberties of same-sex couples; in each case the judge or judges followed long-standing, settled, and accepted 14th Amendment jurisprudence with regard to substantive due process and equal protection rights. Each judge followed a logical and consistent process of examining the merits of the cases.

These laws were struck down because they were not rationally based, lacked any objective, documented evidence in support, and failed to pursue a proper legislative end – and they were appropriately invalidated accordingly.

You bet, skippy.

Yeah...I'm laughing too. and have been more and more over the last 10 years.

 

[Plasmaball]

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

lol.....more lies

 

[daws101]

The pollsters are lying. Americans oppose pervert marriage because they know that most homonazis are child molesters and letting them marry will mean adoptions and more child molesting.

paranoid psychosis at it's finest

MYTH # 1
Gay men molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.

THE ARGUMENT
Depicting gay men as a threat to children may be the single most potent weapon for stoking public fears about homosexuality — and for winning elections and referenda, as Anita Bryant found out during her successful 1977 campaign to overturn a Dade County, Fla., ordinance barring discrimination against gay people. Discredited psychologist Paul Cameron, the most ubiquitous purveyor of anti-gay junk science, has been a major promoter of this myth. Despite having been debunked repeatedly and very publicly, Cameron's work is still widely relied upon by anti-gay organizations, although many no longer quote him by name. Others have cited a group called the American College of Pediatricians to claim, as Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council did in November 2010, that "the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a [molestation] danger to children."

THE FACTS
According to the American Psychological Association, "homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are." Gregory Herek, a professor at the University of California, Davis, who is one of the nation's leading researchers on prejudice against sexual minorities, reviewed a series of studies and found no evidence that gay men molest children at higher rates than heterosexual men.

Anti-gay activists who make that claim allege that all men who molest male children should be seen as homosexual. But research by A. Nicholas Groth, a pioneer in the field of sexual abuse of children, shows that is not so. Groth found that there are two types of child molesters: fixated and regressive. The fixated child molester — the stereotypical pedophile — cannot be considered homosexual or heterosexual because "he often finds adults of either sex repulsive" and often molests children of both sexes. Regressive child molesters are generally attracted to other adults, but may "regress" to focusing on children when confronted with stressful situations. Groth found that the majority of regressed offenders were heterosexual in their adult relationships.

The Child Molestation Research and Prevention Institute notes that 90% of child molesters target children in their network of family and friends. Most child molesters, therefore, are not gay people lingering outside schools waiting to snatch children from the playground, as much religious-right rhetoric suggests.

Some anti-gay ideologues cite the American College of Pediatricians' opposition to same-sex parenting as if the organization were a legitimate professional body. In fact, the so-called college is a tiny breakaway faction of the similarly named, 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatrics that requires, as a condition of membership, that joiners "hold true to the group's core beliefs ... [including] that the traditional family unit, headed by an opposite-sex couple, poses far fewer risk factors in the adoption and raising of children." The group's 2010 publication Facts About Youth was described by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association as non-factual. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, was one of several legitimate researchers who said Facts misrepresented their findings. "It is disturbing to me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality," he wrote. "The information they present is misleading and incorrect."

MYTH # 2
Same-sex parents harm children.

THE ARGUMENT
Most hard-line anti-gay organizations are heavily invested, from both a religious and a political standpoint, in promoting the traditional nuclear family as the sole framework for the healthy upbringing of children. They maintain a reflexive belief that same-sex parenting must be harmful to children — although the exact nature of that supposed harm varies widely.

THE FACTS
No legitimate research has demonstrated that same-sex couples are any more or any less harmful to children than heterosexual couples.

The American Academy of Pediatrics in a 2002 policy statement declared: "A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with one or two gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual." That policy statement was reaffirmed in 2009.

The American Psychological Association found that "same-sex couples are remarkably similar to heterosexual couples, and that parenting effectiveness and the adjustment, development and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation."

Similarly, the Child Welfare League of America's official position with regard to same-sex parents is that "lesbian, gay, and bisexual parents are as well-suited to raise children as their heterosexual counterparts."

10 Anti-Gay Myths Debunked | Southern Poverty Law Center

 

[rightwinger]

I'm waiting for someone to say something that justifies a response.

In a thread where you and rw are circling, it could be a long wait.

Can't defend your own thread can you?

You and the haters hav lost the issue on gay rights. The country has turned against you despite all of the hate you have tried to churn up

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

The GOP has a Tea Party caucus

 

[daws101]

My point you ignorant toad is thats why I used the plural.... Man you truly are stupid.

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)

It has really become quite obvious that the only sub-group of any size and significance within the electorate whose primary purpose is to truly represent the American people is what most people know as “the Tea Party”. The fact that it faces vehement opposition from the other three groups (the Republican leadership, the Democratic leadership, and the Democratic rank and file) should come as no surprise and this election cycle may well determine whether there is any hope for America in the future. Our future lies in the hands of those who now consider themselves to be “independent”.

Who Founded the American Tea Party? | AaronInvestigates

proving KOSHER HAG IS NEVER CORRECT AND NUTS ONE POST AT A TIME!

 

[BlackSand]

it smoking gun proof that many conservatives lack an even rudimentary education....

If you are going to attempt to correct someone else and choose to insult Conservatives in the process, please do not be stupid or careless enough to make an error while attempting the foolish endeavor.

.

 

[westwall]

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

false http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)

It has really become quite obvious that the only sub-group of any size and significance within the electorate whose primary purpose is to truly represent the American people is what most people know as “the Tea Party”. The fact that it faces vehement opposition from the other three groups (the Republican leadership, the Democratic leadership, and the Democratic rank and file) should come as no surprise and this election cycle may well determine whether there is any hope for America in the future. Our future lies in the hands of those who now consider themselves to be “independent”.

Who Founded the American Tea Party? | AaronInvestigates

proving KOSHER HAG IS NEVER CORRECT AND NUTS ONE POST AT A TIME!

Yeah, no. Based on the fact that the TEA Party took out more GOP politicians than it did Democrat it can safely be stated that the TEA Party is NOT a friend of the GOP. Wiki is not your friend Daws.

 

[westwall]

so you have no point in reality.
the three factions you named ARE NOT SEPARATE Parties but sub groups with in the party .
like the tea party is a faction or sub group in the gop!
you make willful ignorance appear almost sane...

The tea party ISN'T a faction or sub group of the gop, you moron.

Of course it is.

Then why is the GOP trying to marginalize and demonize the TEA Party? The evidence doesn't support you in the slightest.

 

[Noomi]

People must be so proud that they spend their lived fighting to deny others the same rights.