Why do so many people on this board wish to return to the 18th century?

[P@triot]

But if you are ensured happiness and liberty how come you lot are whining and whinging and moaning all the time?

Because you fascists keep denying us our God-given right to liberty. This isn't rocket science. Why are you so confused by it?

 

[P@triot]

Equality of outcomes for all amerikkkanistas !!!!

But don't forget - the communists insist that there must not be equal talent or equal effort for those equal outcomes. Despite not having equal talent or making an equal effort, they insist there should be "equal outcomes" because......because...well.... just shut up! You're too stupid to understand anyway! Racist!!!

 

[ScienceRocks]

Humanity would still be in africa and throwing rocks at each other if it was up to you parasitic conservatives....The innovators, thinkers and explorers are the ones that gave you this internet, easy life and food a plenty.

Conservatives the world over are bad. ISIS, Taliban and tribal groups are the conservatives in other parts of the world and cultures...

 

[ScienceRocks]

These are conservatives as they believe they should live as they did thousands of years ago and fuck the easy advance life. You're either with them or with me.

 

[Boss]

Humanity would still be in africa and throwing rocks at each other if it was up to you parasitic conservatives....The innovators, thinkers and explorers are the ones that gave you this internet, easy life and food a plenty.

Conservatives the world over are bad. ISIS, Taliban and tribal groups are the conservatives in other parts of the world and cultures...

Damn, that's a really stupid thing to say.

You obviously don't understand Conservative philosophy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Look at the savages! They're conservative! They hate change, they hate computers, they hate government and they probably hate anyone that is different.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why do so many people on this board wish to return to the 18th century?

We like the taste of your sweet, sweet tears.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This is what societies that don't do shit or care allow for their children...They have famines, death and suffering...Millions die because government doesn't build infrastructure for clean water and food in the market rots and is not thrown away.

These are the most conservative societies on this planet.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL Sharia Law You don't even know what it means

I learned about Sharia Law before you even heard of the term "muslim". Keep rooting for them, stupid. This is like a Jew rooting for the Nazi's in the 1940's.

You did?
You must have started reading racist propaganda at a young age

 

[ScienceRocks]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why do so many people on this board wish to return to the 18th century? That was a time when we as a nation committed very little towards investment within our borders, very little laws or rules to protect the workers, life was far harder then today and I honestly believe the world of the time was so alien to the concepts of modern 20th and 21st century that America would be transformed into a very poor, backwards and violent society if we attempted it. It would be a outright suicide of the most advance nation on earth in many measures and a true lost to all of humanity.

Government expanded because it had too, just like every other modern state due to civilized people wanting infrastructure, wanting education for their children, clean air, water and food and a ever better standard of living. For one to argue that the 18th century was superior is the height of insanity within my mind, but that is exactly what extreme conservatism is bitching for. So you'd rather put your trust in the same corporations that pollute the environment in india then to have the government fine the bastards and give them a good reason to stop??? So you'd rather businesses have the power to refuse payment to work or set up sweat shops while you smile and say get a job. WTF is wrong with you? I say this because it could be you or your children that has little choice for employment! Why make life worse for yourself?


I could keep going on down the list on why the concepts of the 18th century would be a nightmare to the American people but I'll stop here. Lets just say that it isn't preferable and I really wish some people would see the benefits in living within a society that gives a shit about things.

The 18th Century was the 1700's.

Rifles and pistols were flint-lock back then.

I prefer the repeating rifles and revolvers of the 19th Century which was the 1800's instead.

However the semi auto rifles and pistols of the 20th Century which is the 1900's were even better. And that's what I like.

The 21st Century Glock's and their clones are all a piece of sh!t.

the semi auto rifle has been around since 1885

and I really like my Glocks

 

[rightwinger]

The Constitution ducked the issue and it ended up costing us 600,000 lives to fix the problem

I disagree. It didn't duck the issue, it couldn't resolve the issue. With the overwhelming majority of America involved either directly or indirectly in some way with agriculture/slavery, do you think the Constitution would have ever been ratified if it banned slavery?

Now, they DID ban slave trade. You could no longer go down to Charleston and buy a slave fresh off the boat. That ended with the Constitution. This is fairly significant given the importance of slaves to the plantations at the time. The fact they did accomplish this much is a complete refutation of the argument they ducked the issue.

In addition, they worded the Constitution and preamble so that it became a righteous sword for future abolitionists. They knew that the day would come when the people would be ready to end slavery and liberate those in shackles. They gave them the tools to do that when the time came.

Of course, when that time came, justices on the courts ruled slaves were property. It was upon that ruling we had a splitting of opinions across America and suddenly, abolition became a social issue versus a state's rights issue. This is what prompted the war. It was the failure of the courts and congress to find a resolution.

They didn't need the slave trade any more
They had breeding programs to get all the slaves they wanted. Home grown slaves were easier to deal with than Kunta Kinte

There were over 4 million slaves in 1860. Didn't look like banning imports made any impact

But now you are abandoning your argument and changing to another one you like better. I can't let you do that in the middle of a debate. You argued they ducked the issue, now you're admitting they didn't duck the issue but what they did was superficial and didn't matter much. Again, they did what they were able to do at that time. They could not ban slavery! That wasn't going to happen. Had they attempted to do this with the Constitution, it would have never been ratified.

And let me clarify something so you don't go getting the wrong idea. I hate when people twist something I say into something they want to hear and disregard my point. I am not saying that the founders banning slave trade was some glorious achievement they should be commended and praised for. I merely stated that, at that time, it was significantly bold to do that. They didn't HAVE to... there wasn't any real pressure from anyone. It was simply a matter of consciousness. Slavery is an affront to Liberty.

My argument has been that they didn't "duck the issue" as you claimed. They addressed it the best way they could at the time. They couldn't resolve it but they left the tools and language to resolve it for future generations.

OK....lets go back to the original issue then

They not only ducked the issue....they sold out
With key founders owning slaves, what do you expect?
No they didn't address it. They had other priorities and "all men are created equal" was not one of them

By selling out, they set us up for a war four score and seven years later.

 

[rightwinger]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

 

[Skull Pilot]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

 

[rightwinger]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

No.....it has to do with racist assholes who tend to flock to conservatism

 

[ScienceRocks]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

No.....it has to do with racist assholes who tend to flock to conservatism

What's funny is those racist assholes normally make fun of other people that are very conservative(backwards, tribal or live off of the land). Conservatism makes one look really backwards and stupid when ever it is tried and followed to its extreme...So someone in a more advance culture see's that = says racist stuff about them...The funny thing is the people that make fun of extreme conservativism in other cultures are normally the more conservative members of the more advanced society....A circle jerk. hahaha.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

No.....it has to do with racist assholes who tend to flock to conservatism

yeah because a liberal can't be a racist

you really are a blind sheep

 

[Skull Pilot]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

No.....it has to do with racist assholes who tend to flock to conservatism

What's funny is those racist assholes normally make fun of other people that are very conservative(backwards, tribal or live off of the land). Conservatism makes one look really backwards and stupid when ever it is tried and followed to its extreme...So someone in a more advance culture see's that = says racist stuff about them...The funny thing is the people that make fun of extreme conservativism in other cultures are normally the more conservative members of the more advanced society....A circle jerk. hahaha.

you're wrong as always

 

[rightwinger]

Rightwinger,

Sharia law is a conservative muslim law! More conservationism....

Bad shit!

It has nothing to do with this country despite fear mongering from "Patriot"

and it has nothing to do with conservatism
and Matthew thinks it has to do with conservationism

just more proof that he doesn't know shit from Shinola

No.....it has to do with racist assholes who tend to flock to conservatism

yeah because a liberal can't be a racist

you really are a blind sheep

The Deplorables elected Trump

 

[Boss]

The Constitution ducked the issue and it ended up costing us 600,000 lives to fix the problem

I disagree. It didn't duck the issue, it couldn't resolve the issue. With the overwhelming majority of America involved either directly or indirectly in some way with agriculture/slavery, do you think the Constitution would have ever been ratified if it banned slavery?

Now, they DID ban slave trade. You could no longer go down to Charleston and buy a slave fresh off the boat. That ended with the Constitution. This is fairly significant given the importance of slaves to the plantations at the time. The fact they did accomplish this much is a complete refutation of the argument they ducked the issue.

In addition, they worded the Constitution and preamble so that it became a righteous sword for future abolitionists. They knew that the day would come when the people would be ready to end slavery and liberate those in shackles. They gave them the tools to do that when the time came.

Of course, when that time came, justices on the courts ruled slaves were property. It was upon that ruling we had a splitting of opinions across America and suddenly, abolition became a social issue versus a state's rights issue. This is what prompted the war. It was the failure of the courts and congress to find a resolution.

They didn't need the slave trade any more
They had breeding programs to get all the slaves they wanted. Home grown slaves were easier to deal with than Kunta Kinte

There were over 4 million slaves in 1860. Didn't look like banning imports made any impact

But now you are abandoning your argument and changing to another one you like better. I can't let you do that in the middle of a debate. You argued they ducked the issue, now you're admitting they didn't duck the issue but what they did was superficial and didn't matter much. Again, they did what they were able to do at that time. They could not ban slavery! That wasn't going to happen. Had they attempted to do this with the Constitution, it would have never been ratified.

And let me clarify something so you don't go getting the wrong idea. I hate when people twist something I say into something they want to hear and disregard my point. I am not saying that the founders banning slave trade was some glorious achievement they should be commended and praised for. I merely stated that, at that time, it was significantly bold to do that. They didn't HAVE to... there wasn't any real pressure from anyone. It was simply a matter of consciousness. Slavery is an affront to Liberty.

My argument has been that they didn't "duck the issue" as you claimed. They addressed it the best way they could at the time. They couldn't resolve it but they left the tools and language to resolve it for future generations.

OK....lets go back to the original issue then

They not only ducked the issue....they sold out
With key founders owning slaves, what do you expect?
No they didn't address it. They had other priorities and "all men are created equal" was not one of them

By selling out, they set us up for a war four score and seven years later.

Again, that is a purely revisionist idea of what went down. People who grew cotton, tobacco and sugar cane owned slaves because that was how it was harvested. There was no other option. It's not selling out when there isn't another option.

And AGAIN... they DID address it, as I pointed out, which you acknowledged but are now ignoring and pretending it wasn't a point I made. They addressed slavery as best they could at the time. They outlawed slave trade and put the language in the Constitution to enable freedom of slaves when the time came. Even Frederick Douglass recognized their brilliance in that. Why are YOU having a problem?

The War wasn't the fault of the founders, it was the result of the courts and congress FAILING to do the right thing when the time came. They failed and we had war. Furthermore, the war didn't end slavery! It took a Constitutional Amendment to do that. Why couldn't that have been done BEFORE the war? No reason... it just wasn't.