why is this a good plan?

[candycorn]

We are angry with the GOP establishment because they promise us they will fight for our principles and then when they get to Washington they betray us and compromise with democrats.

So to show them we are going to nominate Donald trump who is promising to go to Washington and make deals with democrats and expect a radically different outcome

Meanwhile we could have the man the establishment absolutely hates because he actually went to Washington and kept his promises.

It seems to me that we don't really care about the conservative principles we've been saying we believe it. and if this is true I don't want to be a conservative. I want to be free, not put up a bully who promises to do the same things we are angry about.

This has been my question about conservative support for Trump all along - for so long I've been hearing how Republicans should not cooperate with Democrats, and then a guy who promises to do exactly that runs away with the nomination.

From what I'm being told, people who support Trump have indeed consciously changed their priorities from down-the-line conservative values to a bull in the china shop who will at least get SOME things they want via give and take.

Obviously they have to be pretty goddamned frustrated to change like that, but I can see them thinking that SOME victories would be better than NO victories.
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What do you think of the theory that maybe he's like Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco or Alex Rodriguez? You have this guy on your team whose a total nutjob, the other players don't like him, he could care less about the team's traditions, standards, or customs. He doesn't run out grounders to short or arrive for BP on time and constantly criticizes other players and the management. But he can destroy the baseball when he comes up to bat. And because of that, you look the other way on his caustic behavior in all other endeavors?

I honestly think it is that at this point...nothing else threads all the needles. I mean, he's not a conservative, not much of a Christian actually saying "it's more fun" to fight, and his plans are garbage from both a constitutional and a fiscal standpoint.... The only thing that he has is the presumptive GOP nomination and the thought that he will be a formidable opponent to HRC. Thats it.

Yeah, the Barry Bonds analogy ain't bad. "Yeah, he's a pain in the ass, his behavior is an absolute embarrassment to the game, but he does hit a lot of home runs".

I believe them when they say that they're terribly frustrated and feeling nihilistic. What the hell, toss the Tasmanian Devil in there, at SOME point SOMETHING good HAS to happen. But I think it may go one step further, that at some level they realize the country is moving left whether they like it or not, and they want just a few victories to claim.
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Not a bad analogy yourself.

 

[candycorn]

When did Romney donate to Hillary?

I can only tell you what came out during the primary, Romney wasn't the most transparent candidate:

"In '92 he was donating to the Democrats for Congress and voted for Paul Tsongas in the Democratic primary."

Mitt Romney says, 'I've never voted for a Democrat when there was a Republican on the ballot'​

When did Romney say he would have sex with his daughter if he could?

Can't find this anywhere except liberal blogs. Got a link to Trump saying this?

Where did Romney state that a family member who is an extreme leftist would be an amazing supreme Court pick?

Did Romney have a sister on the U.S. Court of Appeals that was appointed by Ronald Reagan?

Maryanne Trump Barry was nominated by President Ronald Reagan[7] on September 14, 1983, to a seat on the United States District Court for the District of New Jersey vacated by Henry Curtis Meanor. She was confirmed by the United States Senate on October 6, 1983, and received her commission the next day.​

A Republican,[1] Barry was nominated to be a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit by President Bill Clinton[7] on June 17, 1999, to replace H. Lee Sarokin, who had retired in 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryanne_Trump_Barr​

Where did Romney declare bankruptcy multiple times in a business where people literally hand you money?

Been to Atlantic City lately? All businesses eventually go into bankruptcy. Sears, Kmart, Montgomery Ward, Woolworth and Lothrop. Casinos in Atlantic City were a great investment at one time, but that time is likely gone. If it was ONLY Trump casinos that were having trouble in Atlantic City, you might have a point. But it isn't.

Investors often own many non-integrated companies, which they fund by taking on debt, and some of them inevitably file for bankruptcy, said Adam Levitin, a law professor at Georgetown University.

He added that people typically wouldn’t personally blame former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney or investor Warren Buffett for individual failures within their investment companies, Bain Capital and Berkshire Hathaway, respectively.

"The only difference is that Trump puts his name on his companies, which means people associate them with him, but he's not at all the leader in the bankruptcy space," Levitan said. "These bankruptcies were not defining moments for Trump and shouldn't color our view of him."

Fact-checking claims about Donald Trump's four bankruptcies​

All businesses go through bankruptcy?

Reading for comprehension troubles again I see. Head over to your local cobbler, blacksmith, tanner, or haberdasher and ask them what I am referencing.

No need; masochism is a Republican trait.

Just answer us this question...

True or false:

Your'e a "conservative" who would vote (if the election were held today) for a man who has given tens of thousands of dollars to various Clinton Initiatives before you'd vote for another Republican who has given her/him $0.00.

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Anger" is a fallacy. There are no more angry voters than normal. The only difference is that some of them are white this time because they have been told they are under attack. Some of the dolts believe it.

You of the racist left hate white people, I get it. Your racism and hatred simply could NOT be more clear. And I get that racism is a long tradition of your filthy party, the use of a scapegoat to focus anger so that no one looks too closely at the corruption that your party is based on, For at least a hundred years, you filthy democrats used black people as your scapegoat. Now you use white people. Nothing has changed except the skin color of your victims, you are the same racist fucks you always were.

However, there is an underlying stupidity in your current racism, white people are 63% of the population. You spew hatred at the majority and expect them to embrace you.

Any white person who votes for the openly racist democrats is out of their mind. You want to hate white people? That's your right, but you ARE a racist, and that DOES make you a scumbag.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And when Trump nominates a judge like his liberal sister whom he said would make an amazing justice, what then?

No idea.

I am certainly not a Trump supporter - quite the opposite. I will not vote for the man.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You suck at translating.

Romney is far more conservative than Trump will ever be.

But then I guess you like rinos. You always seem to support them

I'm not sure that is true.

Trump is nowhere near to conservative, but neither is Mitt.

 

[candycorn]

"Anger" is a fallacy. There are no more angry voters than normal. The only difference is that some of them are white this time because they have been told they are under attack. Some of the dolts believe it.

You of the racist left hate white people, I get it.

Wrong. Just idiotic white people who insist they are right when they are so woefully wrong at every turn. Most wise up after being demonstrated over and over. You're an exception

Your racism and hatred simply could NOT be more clear.

Since it doesn't exist, you can't see it--pretty transparent I agree.

And I get that racism is a long tradition of your filthy party, the use of a scapegoat to focus anger so that no one looks too closely at the corruption that your party is based on, For at least a hundred years, you filthy democrats used black people as your scapegoat. Now you use white people. Nothing has changed except the skin color of your victims, you are the same racist fucks you always were.

Is there are roadmap that comes with that "logic"?

However, there is an underlying stupidity in your current racism, white people are 63% of the population. You spew hatred at the majority and expect them to embrace you.

332-206
Shove that up your ass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Any idea how he will bring a job back?

Deporting illegals will give Americans jobs. That one is simple. Imagine a Jack in the Box where people could speak English. Unthinkable, I know.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We are angry with the GOP establishment because they promise us they will fight for our principles and then when they get to Washington they betray us and compromise with democrats.

So to show them we are going to nominate Donald trump who is promising to go to Washington and make deals with democrats and expect a radically different outcome

Meanwhile we could have the man the establishment absolutely hates because he actually went to Washington and kept his promises.

It seems to me that we don't really care about the conservative principles we've been saying we believe it. and if this is true I don't want to be a conservative. I want to be free, not put up a bully who promises to do the same things we are angry about.

Because the establishment, old guard, or what ever one wants to call these loons, are worthless and have lied and mocked their costituency....especially with their crocodiles tears and how they cast symbolism votes against obamacare. Their hypocritical facade is tired. Look at the libs.....theyre just as vile but they make no bones about their full on love for socialism/communistic tendencies.

 

[candycorn]

Any idea how he will bring a job back?

Deporting illegals will give Americans jobs. That one is simple. Imagine a Jack in the Box where people could speak English. Unthinkable, I know.

Gee, a great $6/hr job. And that isn't bringing a 'job back" unless you're closing a JIB in Mexico and opening one up here for losers like you to eat at when you're not busy robbing it.

Try again little man.

 

[candycorn]

We are angry with the GOP establishment because they promise us they will fight for our principles and then when they get to Washington they betray us and compromise with democrats.

So to show them we are going to nominate Donald trump who is promising to go to Washington and make deals with democrats and expect a radically different outcome

Meanwhile we could have the man the establishment absolutely hates because he actually went to Washington and kept his promises.

It seems to me that we don't really care about the conservative principles we've been saying we believe it. and if this is true I don't want to be a conservative. I want to be free, not put up a bully who promises to do the same things we are angry about.

Because the establishment, old guard, or what ever one wants to call these loons, are worthless and have lied and mocked their costituency....especially with their crocodiles tears and how they cast symbolism votes against obamacare. Their hypocritical facade is tired. Look at the libs.....theyre just as vile but they make no bones about their full on love for socialism/communistic tendencies.

So you plan to vote for no incumbents then, right?

 

[Uncensored2008]

But....Trump LOVES the Mormons. They are great, great people. And they love Trump.

I doubt Trump thinks of Mormons much at all.

I doubt you ever thought of Mormons either, until the party rang the bell to get you salivating hatred, which the party pointed at Mormons because Romney was running.

 

[bendog]

I'm almost to the point of not even voting anymore at least in Presidential elections. It's to the point now where it's the same assholes just with a different letter next to their name if my choice this year is Trump or Hillary I'm 95 percent sure I will be staying home on Election Day.

So, if you don't get your way, you're taking your ball and going home?

What if the Rubio won, and the 35% of Trump supporters made that decision?

Think he could win?

I've said it countless times. Modern elections are now being determined by how many of your opponent's voters stay home.

Trump or Cruz or Rubio voters may stay home, but so will Sanders voters.

Who wins depends on which party has disgusted their own camp the most.

Trump is going to try and energize his base by trying to enflame that anti-Clinton feelings in the gop, and Hillary's fate lies largely in how many latinos come out to send Trump back to his hotel.

As for the OP, it's a false comparison. So far the gop turnout indicates the people voting for Trump don't appear to be the same people who came out in prior gop primaries to primary out moderate gopers.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'm supporting the next President of the United States, grasshopper.

I don't doubt it, but I'm telling you right now, he will be a terrible president and not at all what you expect.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump will build a wall and deport the illegals, put an end to jobs and corporations fleeing the U.S., and bring jobs back. All the Democrats are offering are higher taxes, more regulations, amnesty for illegals and more illegals, and more jobs and corporations fleeing the U.S. The contrast is vivid.

Trump will not build a wall nor deport "illegals". Why, both are too costly, and the cost to hire American's to do the jobs in Restaurants, Construction, and other labor intensive jobs will create a drain on our economy. Illegals and their employers may not contribute to payroll taxes but do pay rent, buy goods and services, pay local taxes and government excise taxes with their under the table dollars.

The issue is not as simple as Trump suggests and those who have support his fantasies choose to believe. A realistic though costly solution would be to build a canal from the Gulf of Mexico to San Diego, a massive project but one which would have value for centuries, far beyond a silly wall one might easily tunnel under.

Think outside the box, we put men on the moon nearly 50 years ago, a joint project employing Mexican and American workers would create jobs in both nations and obviate the need for Mexicans to cross into our country via ladder or tunnel.

 

[candycorn]

I'm almost to the point of not even voting anymore at least in Presidential elections. It's to the point now where it's the same assholes just with a different letter next to their name if my choice this year is Trump or Hillary I'm 95 percent sure I will be staying home on Election Day.

So, if you don't get your way, you're taking your ball and going home?

What if the Rubio won, and the 35% of Trump supporters made that decision?

Think he could win?

I've said it countless times. Modern elections are now being determined by how many of your opponent's voters stay home.

Trump or Cruz or Rubio voters may stay home, but so will Sanders voters.

Who wins depends on which party has disgusted their own camp the most.

Trump is going to try and energize his base by trying to enflame that anti-Clinton feelings in the gop, and Hillary's fate lies largely in how many latinos come out to send Trump back to his hotel.

As for the OP, it's a false comparison. So far the gop turnout indicates the people voting for Trump don't appear to be the same people who came out in prior gop primaries to primary out moderate gopers.

I would agree with you if Trump were a better candidate overall.

Hillary's fate depends on how many people she alienates and how many times she steps in it between now and November 8. Any sober person has zero faith in trumps' policies, his word, how he'd pay for them, or if they would pass Congressional/Judicial scrutiny...

She'll have the Hispanic support and support of blacks, women, etc... But she will also have the support of people who respect America, don't think it's cool to incite violence, think hatred is not a great idea, etc...

Basically, anyone who is civilized or smart enough to know professional wrestling is fake will support Hillary. Those who think Hulk Hogan was anything other than an actor will support trump and you can't really expect them to embrace ideas such as the common good, the invisible hand, or globalization.

 

[bendog]

I'm almost to the point of not even voting anymore at least in Presidential elections. It's to the point now where it's the same assholes just with a different letter next to their name if my choice this year is Trump or Hillary I'm 95 percent sure I will be staying home on Election Day.

So, if you don't get your way, you're taking your ball and going home?

What if the Rubio won, and the 35% of Trump supporters made that decision?

Think he could win?

I've said it countless times. Modern elections are now being determined by how many of your opponent's voters stay home.

Trump or Cruz or Rubio voters may stay home, but so will Sanders voters.

Who wins depends on which party has disgusted their own camp the most.

Trump is going to try and energize his base by trying to enflame that anti-Clinton feelings in the gop, and Hillary's fate lies largely in how many latinos come out to send Trump back to his hotel.

As for the OP, it's a false comparison. So far the gop turnout indicates the people voting for Trump don't appear to be the same people who came out in prior gop primaries to primary out moderate gopers.

I would agree with you if Trump were a better candidate overall.

Hillary's fate depends on how many people she alienates and how many times she steps in it between now and November 8. Any sober person has zero faith in trumps' policies, his word, how he'd pay for them, or if they would pass Congressional/Judicial scrutiny...

She'll have the Hispanic support and support of blacks, women, etc... But she will also have the support of people who respect America, don't think it's cool to incite violence, think hatred is not a great idea, etc...

Basically, anyone who is civilized or smart enough to know professional wrestling is fake will support Hillary. Those who think Hulk Hogan was anything other than an actor will support trump and you can't really expect them to embrace ideas such as the common good, the invisible hand, or globalization.

Trump will be tweeting Bill standing next to Cosby 24/7. The fact that Trump's personal life is remarkably similar to Slicks' (except for Slick being married to the same woman for 30 or so years) will have no effect of Trump's actions. He's truly without shame or human decency.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Wrong.

Not wrong, you are openly racist against the white people who are officially hated by your filthy party.

Just idiotic white people who insist they are right when they are so woefully wrong at every turn. Most wise up after being demonstrated over and over. You're an exception

Again, your party spews hatred at whites constantly. You have a 24/7 hate machine promoting your racist message.

Since it doesn't exist, you can't see it--pretty transparent I agree.

Oh really? Well let's look, shall we?

{The time for replacing white supremacy with new values is now. And just as some whites played a part in ending slavery, colonialism, Jim Crow segregation, and South African apartheid, there is surely a role whites can play in restraining other whites in this era. Beneath the sound and fury generated by GOP presidential candidates, Fox News, website trolls, police unions and others, white people are becoming aware as never before of past and present racism.} - Frank Joyce, columnist for the leftist hate site Alternet


But moreover, let's talk about the zones that are created on campuses where black people are prohibited from entering, lest they upset the racist whites.

OH wait, those don't exist, just "safe spaces" for black people to prohibit whites from.

But remember, white lives don't matter, so according to your racist leftists, it's all good.

Tell me, which term is more racist; "shiftless black," or "white privilege?"

The correct answer, both. But you and your fellow racist use the second one all the time, it's sanctioned by your filthy, racist party to show your hatred.

That's enough in this thread, since my intent is not to derail, but you are a racist, as is your party. You think that because "it's only whites" that you spew hatred at, it makes it alright.

It doesn't.

Is there are roadmap that comes with that "logic"?em to embrace you.

What could you not grasp?

Shove that up your ass.

Shove your racism up your ass.

 

[g5000]

Basically, anyone who is civilized or smart enough to know professional wrestling is fake will support Hillary.

Nope. A smart person knows Hillary is as fake as Trump and pro wrestling.

If the GOP nominee is Trump, I will be staying home on election day. I am not going to switch parties and vote Democratic.

Hillary is as much a pandering weasel demagogue with no convictions as Trump is. If Hillary thought it would have been easier to get the GOP nomination instead of the Democratic one, she would have switched sides, too. And she'd be calling for the banning of Muslims and trashing Mexicans, just like Trump.

There is no daylight between Trump and Clinton. You're voting for the exact same person if both of them are the nominees.

And I will not do that.

 

[bendog]

Basically, anyone who is civilized or smart enough to know professional wrestling is fake will support Hillary.

Nope.

If the GOP nominee is Trump, I will be staying home on election day. I am not going to switch parties and vote Democratic.

Hillary is as much a pandering weasel as Trump is. There is no daylight between Trump and Clinton.

My state will go red no matter what. But, Trump making decisions about whether to invade Iran makes me ... queasy. LOL

 

[Uncensored2008]

Gee, a great $6/hr job.

So, they will pay under minimum?

Oh, you're just lying - democrat!

And that isn't bringing a 'job back" unless you're closing a JIB in Mexico and opening one up here for losers like you to eat at when you're not busy robbing it.

Try again little man.

Opening jobs for Americans that are held by illegals is absolutely bringing a job back, you drooling retard.

Many of these are low wage jobs, further, the employers will have to pay Americans more than they have been paying Mexicans, which is why they hired illegals in the first place. This means prices could inch up. However, opening low wage jobs for teens is an important step in readying them for life in the workforce, which is denied them now.

Traditionally, the workers at fast food were high school and college students. It was good experience for them and gave them some money. Here is the thing though, teens are not very reliable. So when the illegal invasion stepped up, the choice of a 35 year old who would show up every day and work for minimum, vs. a 16 year old who would flake out half the time made hiring illegals attractive, However, this is detrimental to our nation and culture, as young people are denied that critical first job.