Will Low Income Conservatives Remain Loyal Republicans After They Lose Medicaid?

[BertramN]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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[TomParks]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

 

[Lakhota]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people will die in the meantime?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Single Payer will never happen.

How does the left think that is possible.

They can't even win a slam-dunk election.

Hopefully, before long, we will eliminate all government funded healthcare.

People can learn to take care of themselves.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people die in the meantime?

Since when does health insurance save anyone?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people die in the meantime?

Since when does health insurance save anyone?

Yeah,

My friends with Obamacare suffer through illness because it is so expensive. They basically have it for the big one.

And they pay about 350 for what used to cost 70.

What a great step forward.

 

[S.J.]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people will die in the meantime?

I don't know but I hope they're all liberals.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people die in the meantime?

Since when does health insurance save anyone?

LMFAO from the Obama care facts website

How embarrassing..



Depending upon the study, we can derive that between 20,000 and 45,000 Americans die each year due to a lack of health insurance. To understand where this number comes from, we will need to look at the studies done, compare them to other statistics, and try to separate the role that income inequality plays in the mortality rate of the uninsured.

• In 2009 Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance did a studypublished in the American Journal of Public Health. This study concluded that:
  • 40 percent increased risk of death among the uninsured. (equating to 44,789 excess deaths annually)
  • As expected, death rates were also higher for males (37 percent increase)
  • Current smokers (102 percent increase)
  • Former smokers (42 percent increase)
  • People who said that their health was fair or poor (126 percent increase)
  • Those who examining physicians said were in fair or poor health (222 percent increase).
• The issues one may have with the Harvard study are that there were only 65 participants in the study

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[usmbguest5318]

Will Low Income Conservatives Remain Loyal Republicans After They Lose Medicaid?

Who knows? They were fool enough to vote Republican on one or more occasions to begin with, despite the GOP's long track record of being the party that espouses policies diametrically the opposite of what those low income voters think they want. It's as possible as not that they will continue to think the party of entrepreneurs is yet anything other than that. I would not go so far as to equate being low income with being stupid, but, anecdotally, I tend to observe low income folks make a lot more "life-level" stupid decisions, particularly with regard to what's good or bad for their economic/financial solvency, than do non-low income people.

The mean, median, and standard deviation of incomes for entrepreneurs -- controlled for education, general ability (as measured by standardized test scores), and demographics (including age and parental income) -- tended to be higher than those for good old-fashioned employees. The difference is by no means small: mean income for entrepreneurs is almost 50% greater than for “employees.” Furthermore, this effect is not explained by “professional” entrepreneurial pursuits such as opening a medical or law practice. Just what are the average wages of entrepreneurs? They range from $75K/year to ~$170K/year. Think what you want of that, but that's not "low income," and it makes for a decent albeit not lavish lifestyle.

 

[Mousterian]

It's a moot point, the bill will never get through the Senate.

There's more than enough savvy Republican senators who will know what it will cost them if it goes through. And their loyalty is to themselves and the Party, not this brash clown.

 

[usmbguest5318]

savvy Republican

That turn of phrase, as applied to most conservatives, is oxymoronic these days.

• Economist's View: Anti-Intellectualism
  
• A policy expert explains how anti-intellectualism gave rise to Donald Trump
  
• The roots of Donald Trump’s anti-intellectualism
• The cult of ignorance in the United States: Anti-intellectualism and the "dumbing down" of America -- Sott.net
  
• Trump’s Not Hitler, He’s Mussolini: How GOP Anti-Intellectualism Created a Modern Fascist Movement in America
  
• Passing on the Right: Conservative Professors in the Progressive University -- This is a book that every conservative should read. Indeed, it ought to be required reading prior to allowing one to tick "Republican" on a voter registration card or voting for any GOP candidate.
  
  Shields and Dun's book addresses the issues and concerns of the most secret conservative of all: the center-right academic, considered by many on the Left as an impossible hybrid, a centaur or satyr. But Jon Shield and Joshua Dunn’s study is more ethnographic than antagonistic, recording conservatives’ beliefs and behaviors from their perspectives rather than condescending to conservatives as adversaries. Shields, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna, and Dunn, a political scientist at the University of Colorado-Colorado Springs, interviewed 153 conservative professors in the social sciences and humanities and let these professors tell their stories in great detail. The fascinating book weaves together data and anecdotes, personal experiences and broad trends, to show the varied attitudes that conservative academics have toward their peers and their profession.
  
  The professors whom Shields and Dunn interviewed hold nearly all of the same political opinions as non-academic Republicans. Many have low opinions of the modern GOP, however, believing that the party suffers from radicalism, anti-intellectualism, and “amateurish” presidential candidates who benefit from a seriously flawed nomination process. (And this was before the current presidential election.)
  
  Shields and Dunn divide academic conservatives into two broad categories, based on their behavior: “closeted” and “open.” “Closeted” conservatives hide their political views for fear of how their peers will react. They consider whether to lie about their beliefs or keep quiet about them, and they tread carefully through the minefields of politicized interview questions. These concerns creep beyond personal interaction and into research topics and classroom discussions. Tenure usually inspires conservatives to jump out of hiding, but not always.
  
  Most “open” conservatives seek to confound liberal expectations by being friendly and non-combative. They engage in conversation, not debate, with their colleagues, whom they genuinely like. Other “open” conservatives do not interact with their colleagues, either because they don’t want to or because people avoid them. And of course there are the gadflies in bowties who “delight in their contrarianism,” the rarest of campus conservatives, who nonetheless attract the most attention -- and cause the most embarrassment for their ideological brethren. Shields and Dunn conclude that despite these different approaches, all types of open conservatives have a greater struggle to get promotions, raises, and attention from hiring committees.
  
  The authors also map regions of academia in which conservatives feel at home. There is, of course, the strange case of economics, in which the partisan breakdown corresponds to that of the general public. Libertarian professors, many of whom are in Economics departments, feel more comfortable in the academy than do their social-conservative peers -- but they also “experience a deeper sense of political homelessness in America.” Other disciplines, including political science, philosophy, and even sociology, have fields of specialty that function as pockets of conservative refuge.
  
  Shields and Dunn assure us that, despite fears of proselytization and brainwashing, liberal professors actually fail to indoctrinate their students on a wide scale. The authors also illustrate that this bias has serious consequences for scholarship. Scholarly blind spots, and the basic lack of interaction with conservatives, mean that professors fail to prepare students “to grapple thoughtfully with” issues of importance to good citizens.
  
  Unlike the sentiments often expressed on USMB and in the popular (and "wingnut") press, neither the authors nor their conservative academic peers ask liberals to make room for "Neanderthals," rather advocating “conservatives outside the university [to] be careful not to overstate the intolerance inside its walls.” Academia has so few conservatives in part because conservatives scare each other away from it, and cede still more institutional territory to liberals. The metaphor of taking the ball and going home doesn’t quite fit, because conservatives leave the ball at the playground and the game continues without them.
  
  Indeed, conservatives outside of academia seem intent on neutering higher education. In 2015, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker sent his state legislature a budget that deleted the following sentence from the mission statement of the University of Wisconsin System: “Basic to every purpose of the system is the search for truth.” Conservatives complain that the academy is dominated by moral relativists who deny the existence of an objective Truth, yet here was a Republican governor and soon-to-be presidential candidate making it official.
  
  One solution Dunn and Shields do not propose (perhaps because it's such a liberal approach to resolving matters of this nature), but which may hold promise, is to build a stronger conservative community in higher education by creating a national association for right-of-center academics. The organization need not have the specific political purpose of fighting liberal scholarship or pedagogy; it would primarily provide opportunities for collegiality, scholarship, and plain old venting, through regional and national conventions and perhaps a journal. It would perform some of the same functions as valuable programs like the James Madison Program at Princeton, but would encompass a broader range of topics and disciplinary approaches. Simply placing the few conservatives in academia in contact with their ideological peers would help them feel more at home in what is an often inhospitable and alienating profession.

 

[usmbguest5318]

The authors also map regions of academia in which conservatives feel at home.

As a footnote, I have to say that I've never given a wet rat's ass about "feeling at home" in my work environments. I care about specific job performance, and that's so of myself as well as my staff. "Feel at home" or don't, either way delivering high quality results on time on (or better yet, under) budget will yield the most important elements of what one should, IMO, expect of a career. If one wants to "have it all," one should start one's own company so one can always have it all one's way. I don't actually think that's what'd happen, but I know for a fact it's not likely going to be that way in mine (our annual satisfaction surveys indicate that partners/principals and staff are satisfied with about 80% of "the way things are" with their jobs and work environment in my firm), and I'm not going to misrepresent to one that it will.

And let's be honest. Professors, in comparison to most other professionals, have a very cushy work life, most especially those for whom research is their primary task. Just how bad is it to have as one's main job requirement the task of identifying a topic that captures one's interest and that nobody (or few) has considered previously in quite the way one is approaching it, on one's own terms going about the business of "figuring it out" and then, when one is done, telling the world what one has discovered? Just how "at home" must one feel to get up each day and do that? It's not as though one has that many individuals with whom one must "get along" as one goes about doing such things.

 

[Disir]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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Wow. Looks like you guys should have thought this through.

I pay close to $1,000 a month for insurance.There are a whole lotta people that pay too much. Democrats sure did get to line some pockets when it was created. Did you hear all the screaming from Democrats about not wanting to be "socialists" during the election cycle?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The ones who voted for the first time in their lives may well never vote again.

 

[Mac1958]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. .

Well, I don't get any pleasure out of seeing well-meaning people who were fooled and/or misled be hurt by their decisions.

This realization is coming for them, and I'd guess some will stick to their guns to avoid admitting what happened, and some will quietly vote differently or not at all. Maybe a few will react. It won't be pretty.
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[Hutch Starskey]

Nobody is losing anything because it will die in the senate. Krauthammer thinks we get single payer in next 7 years

The Kraut may be right - but how many people die in the meantime?

Since when does health insurance save anyone?

Health insurance prevents a system full of deadbeat patients who cannot pay their medical bills and cause costs to skyrocket for those who have insurance. The idea that " 'everyone has access regardless of coverage' is just dumb and shortsighted. That was the entire reason for HC reform and the ACA. Simply going back to what it was previously is not any kind of solution.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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Wow. Looks like you guys should have thought this through.

I pay close to $1,000 a month for insurance.There are a whole lotta people that pay too much. Democrats sure did get to line some pockets when it was created. Did you hear all the screaming from Democrats about not wanting to be "socialists" during the election cycle?

And how will the GOP bill let you pass less for the same coverage?

 

[Disir]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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Wow. Looks like you guys should have thought this through.

I pay close to $1,000 a month for insurance.There are a whole lotta people that pay too much. Democrats sure did get to line some pockets when it was created. Did you hear all the screaming from Democrats about not wanting to be "socialists" during the election cycle?

And how will the GOP bill let you pass less for the same coverage?

I still won't be able to afford the actual health care. The Dems are just as bad as the Republicans when it comes down to it.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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Hyperbole

The word of the day

 

[JQPublic1]

The House Republicans have convinced their idiot supporters (also known as Trump voters) that their bill to “repeal and replace” the Affordable Care Act is all about freedom. In typical fashion, congressional Republicans are pleased their bill gives health insurance corporations the freedom to charge whatever rates they d@mn well please. And if customers don't like it, they too are free . . . free to die. Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?

The question, “Have low income conservatives, ever felt more freedom in their lives?” is addressed to the millions of red state voters, those who are most dependent upon the expansion of Medicaid provided by the Affordable Care Act (known by most low income Americans as “Obamacare”). How many of these voters will remain loyal to the political party that took away their families' healthcare coverage?

After the House passed the measure, Trump offered more lies as he boasted, “Yes, premiums will be coming down; yes, deductibles will be coming down, but very importantly, it’s a great plan.” GREAT PLAN? For whom?

This boatload of Trump/Republican bullsh!t came Thursday, during “the kind of White House Rose Garden victory ceremony typically reserved for legislation that is being signed into law, not for a controversial bill that passed just one chamber.”

Conservative voters are famous for their short memories, and the Republican congressmen (and women) have always known they can depend on their poorer constituents to forget legislation that was hurtful to poor families. But those millions of low income, WHITE CONSERVATIVE VOTERS, who will lose their insurance coverage due to this “great plan” created by the House Republicans, will be remembering why they no longer have medical coverage on Election Day, 2018.

To keep their medical coverage, these millions of low income conservatives must hope their Republican Senators hold their constituencies in higher regard than do the House Republicans.

But, before the GOP Senators who are up for reelection in 2018 p!ss on a large number of their voters as did the House Republicans, the senators should stop and think, they are facing voters in statewide campaigns, not just in safe, red districts.

Something for the GOP to consider before jumping in head first to cheat so many voters out of such a necessity, for no other real reason than to again, spit in the face of the first African-American POTUS. For some senators, and even House members, continuing your pettiness could cost you dearly.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/us/politics/health-care-bill-vote.html?_r=0

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Consider this: Mitch McConnell and his GOP demons have concocted a strategy to make their plan effective in 2019 after the 2018 elections.

Observing the malleablility of Trump's constituents, Ryan and McConnell are banking on Trump to continue his pied piper routine. Trump's destiny as a one term President might be validated but the GOP will, if all goes well, retain most of their power in the Senate.