Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall

[TemplarKormac]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

What are you getting at?

 

[Rustic]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

The entire US government is built on the premise of forced compromise.

You demonstrate exactly what has happened over the last 25 years thanks to con media. They have demonized the word compromise, when the founders are the ones that created this government based on forced compromise.

There is no alternative. That is how a democracy functions.

 

[Mac1958]

I refuse to use Liberal to describe the modern leftwing types. They are Progressives, which is a perfect Orwellian term for them.

Yep.

Regressive Leftists, those who have so much to do with the OP, are not traditional liberals. They're the Illiberal Left.

By the way, the term "Regressive Leftists" comes from a liberal named Bill Maher, the term "Illiberal Left" comes from a liberal named Kirsten Powers. Who is a hottie, by the way.
.

 

[Rustic]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

 

[IsaacNewton]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking of the Teabaggers is about to get played out. It doesn't work and the Republicans know they are about to lose the White House again because of it, and likely man seats in the House. Demographics are changing quick, and this last gasp of the angry right wing has very limited time.

 

[Rustic]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

The entire US government is built on the premise of forced compromise.

You demonstrate exactly what has happened over the last 25 years thanks to con media. They have demonized the word compromise, when the founders are the ones that created this government based on forced compromise.

There is no alternative. That is how a democracy functions.

This is supposed to be a capitalist republic, not a socialist democracy.

The goal of socialism is communism.
-Vladimir Lenin-

 

[peach174]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking of the Teabaggers is about to get played out. It doesn't work and the Republicans know they are about to lose the White House again because of it, and likely man seats in the House. Demographics are changing quick, and this last gasp of the angry right wing has very limited time.

You got it wrong.
Tea party is angry at the Republicans because they do cave in to the left and compromise on certain conservative key principals.
It is the left who are the my way or the highway.

 

[Rustic]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking of the Teabaggers is about to get played out. It doesn't work and the Republicans know they are about to lose the White House again because of it, and likely man seats in the House. Demographics are changing quick, and this last gasp of the angry right wing has very limited time.

The reason they lost the last two White House races because they had spineless cowards running for president, a Rino will never win!

McCain and Romney had awful campaigns, because of them being such weak candidates, they could not win dog catcher. No one came out to vote for them, and rightly so.

A strong, real conservative WITH A BACKBONE could've walked away with either of those elections...

 

[IsaacNewton]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

The entire US government is built on the premise of forced compromise.

You demonstrate exactly what has happened over the last 25 years thanks to con media. They have demonized the word compromise, when the founders are the ones that created this government based on forced compromise.

There is no alternative. That is how a democracy functions.

This is supposed to be a capitalist republic, not a socialist democracy.

The goal of socialism is communism.
-Vladimir Lenin-

You seem to have canned responses that have nothing to do with the discussion.

 

[IsaacNewton]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking of the Teabaggers is about to get played out. It doesn't work and the Republicans know they are about to lose the White House again because of it, and likely man seats in the House. Demographics are changing quick, and this last gasp of the angry right wing has very limited time.

You got it wrong.
Tea party is angry at the Republicans because they do cave in to the left and compromise on certain conservative key principals.
It is the left who are the my way or the highway.

Another who doesn't read apparently.

The tea party isn't going to tell anyone 'here's how its going to be'. Sorry, our government doesn't work like that, that is what angries dream about that will never be.

 

[Rustic]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

The entire US government is built on the premise of forced compromise.

You demonstrate exactly what has happened over the last 25 years thanks to con media. They have demonized the word compromise, when the founders are the ones that created this government based on forced compromise.

There is no alternative. That is how a democracy functions.

This is supposed to be a capitalist republic, not a socialist democracy.

The goal of socialism is communism.
-Vladimir Lenin-

You seem to have canned responses that have nothing to do with the discussion.

Your deflecting...

 

[IsaacNewton]

Ask yourself why gasoline is unleaded, and if and when it used to be 'leaded' and why it was changed. And then consider it was Richard Nixon, a Republican, who created the EPA.

Yes the society has changed, conservatives USED to be mostly rational. They did, I remember. They've always had their views and argued them but they worked with their opposition on many things.

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

When did clean air and water become an issue to argue over? Conservatives turn off the radio and Faux News for a month. Your head will clear and you won't see the society as 'evil'. It's just people, like you.

Poach more Rinos...

Compromise is over rated.

The entire US government is built on the premise of forced compromise.

You demonstrate exactly what has happened over the last 25 years thanks to con media. They have demonized the word compromise, when the founders are the ones that created this government based on forced compromise.

There is no alternative. That is how a democracy functions.

This is supposed to be a capitalist republic, not a socialist democracy.

The goal of socialism is communism.
-Vladimir Lenin-

You seem to have canned responses that have nothing to do with the discussion.

Your deflecting...

lol how so.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

“The United States has become a nation of weak, pampered, easily frightened, helpless milquetoasts who have never caught a fish, fired a gun, chopped a log, hitchhiked across the country, or been in a schoolyard fight. If their cat dies, they call a grief therapist.Everythingfrightens Americans.”

This is consistent with the ridiculous, wrongheaded demagoguery common to most on the right – it also fails as an appeal to consequences fallacy, representative of the lack of sound reasoning skills that plagues a majority of conservatives.

The 'premise' of the 'article' is simplistic, sophomoric, naïve, inane, and completely devoid of merit.

Indeed, whether one is 'tough' or not has little to do with the vacuous criteria the author outlines; true strength and fortitude are determined in ways having little to do with firing guns, chopping wood, or getting in fights.

A single mother working two jobs, staying off of public assistance, keeping her children well fed, housed, clothed, and educated is a much more significant manifestation of courage and strength than catching a fish or hitchhiking across the country.

So, no – the article's author is in fact wrong, as is the OP: the United States is in no way a 'wimp' Nation, and the notion that America is 'poised to fail' is in fact a lie.

Sadly, your pitiful party would love to keep that single mother in poverty for the rest of her life into perpetuity. Absolutely, we have become a pampered, self glorified, ignorant of history, immature country.

 

[boedicca]

This is one of the better pieces I've encountered on the cultural changes that are causing America's decline.

Recently a friend, a Harvard PhD, wrote and said, “It’s not funny anymore.” I thought, and realized that, no, it isn’t. Things that seemed the obsessions of the occasional lugubrious neurotic are so common that they represent a change in the national character. It is eerie. Something strange is happening.

What now is the national character? What sort of country is America today? A country of rugged individualism? Land of the free and home of the brave? A nation of the independent and self-reliant?

(snip)

The ferocious American hostility to individualism is most virulent in the form of political correctness, which requires that all of us think the same things. The universities are worst, and they are the future. Once, unpopular ideas were argued and freedom of speech respected, however grudgingly. Today we have the pack mind.

Beyond the insistence that everyone should be like everyone else is the insistence that everyone already is like everyone else. No differences exist between men and women, sex being a social construct, and thus women should be in the Marines. Differences of race do not exist, race being a social construct, so if members of one non-existent race do not do as well at physics as members of another nonexistent race, we must on racial grounds hire them as physicists anyway under affirmative action, since differences are social constructs.
...


Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall | Fred On Everything

The only funny thing there is that it is cons who want everyone to be the same and think exactly as they do. No room for any thought outside the construct of right wing evangelical Christian doctrine. I'll pass thank you.

So, what would you rather us Evangelical Christians do? Go hide in a cave somewhere?

Haven't you figured it out? Christians are supposed to be enslaved to provide services and goods in support of things which violate their religious beliefs. So, make that pizza and arrange those flowers...stat!

 

[boedicca]

This is one of the better pieces I've encountered on the cultural changes that are causing America's decline.

Recently a friend, a Harvard PhD, wrote and said, “It’s not funny anymore.” I thought, and realized that, no, it isn’t. Things that seemed the obsessions of the occasional lugubrious neurotic are so common that they represent a change in the national character. It is eerie. Something strange is happening.

What now is the national character? What sort of country is America today? A country of rugged individualism? Land of the free and home of the brave? A nation of the independent and self-reliant?

(snip)

The ferocious American hostility to individualism is most virulent in the form of political correctness, which requires that all of us think the same things. The universities are worst, and they are the future. Once, unpopular ideas were argued and freedom of speech respected, however grudgingly. Today we have the pack mind.

Beyond the insistence that everyone should be like everyone else is the insistence that everyone already is like everyone else. No differences exist between men and women, sex being a social construct, and thus women should be in the Marines. Differences of race do not exist, race being a social construct, so if members of one non-existent race do not do as well at physics as members of another nonexistent race, we must on racial grounds hire them as physicists anyway under affirmative action, since differences are social constructs.
...


Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall | Fred On Everything

The only funny thing there is that it is cons who want everyone to be the same and think exactly as they do. No room for any thought outside the construct of right wing evangelical Christian doctrine. I'll pass thank you.

So, what would you rather us Evangelical Christians do? Go hide in a cave somewhere?

So us saying we don't want to live under your ideology is the same as us telling you to hide in a cave? You zealot theocratic psychos are a riot.

So, you wish to force everyone to live under your Secular Statist ideology...instead of respecting individual rights.

 

[Davros]

This is one of the better pieces I've encountered on the cultural changes that are causing America's decline.

Recently a friend, a Harvard PhD, wrote and said, “It’s not funny anymore.” I thought, and realized that, no, it isn’t. Things that seemed the obsessions of the occasional lugubrious neurotic are so common that they represent a change in the national character. It is eerie. Something strange is happening.

What now is the national character? What sort of country is America today? A country of rugged individualism? Land of the free and home of the brave? A nation of the independent and self-reliant?

(snip)

The ferocious American hostility to individualism is most virulent in the form of political correctness, which requires that all of us think the same things. The universities are worst, and they are the future. Once, unpopular ideas were argued and freedom of speech respected, however grudgingly. Today we have the pack mind.

Beyond the insistence that everyone should be like everyone else is the insistence that everyone already is like everyone else. No differences exist between men and women, sex being a social construct, and thus women should be in the Marines. Differences of race do not exist, race being a social construct, so if members of one non-existent race do not do as well at physics as members of another nonexistent race, we must on racial grounds hire them as physicists anyway under affirmative action, since differences are social constructs.
...


Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall | Fred On Everything

The only funny thing there is that it is cons who want everyone to be the same and think exactly as they do. No room for any thought outside the construct of right wing evangelical Christian doctrine. I'll pass thank you.

So, what would you rather us Evangelical Christians do? Go hide in a cave somewhere?

So us saying we don't want to live under your ideology is the same as us telling you to hide in a cave? You zealot theocratic psychos are a riot.

So, you wish to force everyone to live under your Secular Statist ideology...instead of respecting individual rights.

No, I don't. But if you work for a secular government like Kim Davis does you have to abide by its laws in executing your duties.

 

[Dot Com]

If a Republican president or candidate today proposed something like the EPA they would be lynched by their own party.

And if a Democrat ever advocated for the use of fossil fuels... imagine what would happen. Both parties are guilty of it. This isn't a one sided thing.

This is the Orwellian double-speak that has become the conservative standard. ALL sides have exactly the same value argument and facts don't count. That is how conservatives view the world now. You think opinion is as valuable as fact.

Sorry, it never has been and never will be. The thoughts in your mind are so jumbled it is like a pretzel, wrapped in an enigma, coated with chocolate sauce and sauerkraut.

The moderates(you know the mushy middle) is where the problem is, they always want to just give their position away.

Stand your ground no matter what, no matter side... War of attrition. And crazy joe is wrong and a hipocrite yes the opponent is the enemy, like he said not so long ago "he is going to put y'all back in chains" of his opponent.

So, both sides need more of a backbone and get along less...

This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking of the Teabaggers is about to get played out. It doesn't work and the Republicans know they are about to lose the White House again because of it, and likely man seats in the House. Demographics are changing quick, and this last gasp of the angry right wing has very limited time.

^ that

Rustic's "more of the same" attitude would be laughable if it weren't so destructive

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is one of the better pieces I've encountered on the cultural changes that are causing America's decline.

Recently a friend, a Harvard PhD, wrote and said, “It’s not funny anymore.” I thought, and realized that, no, it isn’t. Things that seemed the obsessions of the occasional lugubrious neurotic are so common that they represent a change in the national character. It is eerie. Something strange is happening.

What now is the national character? What sort of country is America today? A country of rugged individualism? Land of the free and home of the brave? A nation of the independent and self-reliant?

(snip)

The ferocious American hostility to individualism is most virulent in the form of political correctness, which requires that all of us think the same things. The universities are worst, and they are the future. Once, unpopular ideas were argued and freedom of speech respected, however grudgingly. Today we have the pack mind.

Beyond the insistence that everyone should be like everyone else is the insistence that everyone already is like everyone else. No differences exist between men and women, sex being a social construct, and thus women should be in the Marines. Differences of race do not exist, race being a social construct, so if members of one non-existent race do not do as well at physics as members of another nonexistent race, we must on racial grounds hire them as physicists anyway under affirmative action, since differences are social constructs.
...


Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall | Fred On Everything

The only funny thing there is that it is cons who want everyone to be the same and think exactly as they do. No room for any thought outside the construct of right wing evangelical Christian doctrine. I'll pass thank you.

So, what would you rather us Evangelical Christians do? Go hide in a cave somewhere?

So us saying we don't want to live under your ideology is the same as us telling you to hide in a cave? You zealot theocratic psychos are a riot.

So, you wish to force everyone to live under your Secular Statist ideology...instead of respecting individual rights.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

It's the State that protects your rights. If you don't think so, why do conservatives run to the State every time they think their rights have been violated?

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is one of the better pieces I've encountered on the cultural changes that are causing America's decline.

Recently a friend, a Harvard PhD, wrote and said, “It’s not funny anymore.” I thought, and realized that, no, it isn’t. Things that seemed the obsessions of the occasional lugubrious neurotic are so common that they represent a change in the national character. It is eerie. Something strange is happening.

What now is the national character? What sort of country is America today? A country of rugged individualism? Land of the free and home of the brave? A nation of the independent and self-reliant?

(snip)

The ferocious American hostility to individualism is most virulent in the form of political correctness, which requires that all of us think the same things. The universities are worst, and they are the future. Once, unpopular ideas were argued and freedom of speech respected, however grudgingly. Today we have the pack mind.

Beyond the insistence that everyone should be like everyone else is the insistence that everyone already is like everyone else. No differences exist between men and women, sex being a social construct, and thus women should be in the Marines. Differences of race do not exist, race being a social construct, so if members of one non-existent race do not do as well at physics as members of another nonexistent race, we must on racial grounds hire them as physicists anyway under affirmative action, since differences are social constructs.
...


Wimp Nation: Poised to Fall | Fred On Everything

The only funny thing there is that it is cons who want everyone to be the same and think exactly as they do. No room for any thought outside the construct of right wing evangelical Christian doctrine. I'll pass thank you.

So, what would you rather us Evangelical Christians do? Go hide in a cave somewhere?

Haven't you figured it out? Christians are supposed to be enslaved to provide services and goods in support of things which violate their religious beliefs. So, make that pizza and arrange those flowers...stat!

Christians are supposed to obey the law. Supernatural beings don't rule here.