With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

[EverCurious]

Just curious, how old are you and which public school system did you attend (states fine) - I'm curious to know if, as is the case in Alaska, that area has less... "progressive" policies.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

Our educational system has made Americans only capable of flipping burgers, that's why.

The software engineers who built IBM, MS and Oracle were burger flippers?

Ya got anything more current?

How about Apple, Droid, and the remaining auto industry that is still loyal to the American people?

We STILL have the highest production of any nation on Earth and Americans are THE most efficient work force in the world also.

The problem with both examples is they are not the norm.
Public education centers are nothing but indoctrination centers for the left,they dont teach anything useful.

Are you bashing education because you didn't get one?

This bullshit about liberal indoctrination really pisses me off because it simply does not exist in the vast majority of this country.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The software engineers who built IBM, MS and Oracle were burger flippers?

Ya got anything more current?

How about Apple, Droid, and the remaining auto industry that is still loyal to the American people?

We STILL have the highest production of any nation on Earth and Americans are THE most efficient work force in the world also.

The problem with both examples is they are not the norm.
Public education centers are nothing but indoctrination centers for the left,they dont teach anything useful.

What a ridiculous claim.

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

So you decided to provide an example in your post of the inability to think critically?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How about Apple, Droid, and the remaining auto industry that is still loyal to the American people?

We STILL have the highest production of any nation on Earth and Americans are THE most efficient work force in the world also.

The problem with both examples is they are not the norm.
Public education centers are nothing but indoctrination centers for the left,they dont teach anything useful.

What a ridiculous claim.

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

Explain this indoctrinating. Shouldn't they be able to pass performance tests?

There have been countless posts on this board showing the means of indoctrination.
What is it with liberals and information retention?

Where did this indoctrination occur?

I will bet you a horse turd to a doughnut and let you hold the stakes in your mouth if the vast majority occurred outside of the cities of NYC, Boston, D.C., Philly, Chicago, or anywhere in the great mistake of Californication.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What a ridiculous claim.

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

Explain this indoctrinating. Shouldn't they be able to pass performance tests?

There have been countless posts on this board showing the means of indoctrination.
What is it with liberals and information retention?

It is how they "debate".


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"Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies"


They are assholes like that.

Nailed it!

You just saw him describe why conservatives bash education. I am not a liberal, but if i could smack a few fellow conservatives around for their ignorance on any topic, it would be education.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

Our educational system has made Americans only capable of flipping burgers, that's why.

Our liberal education system

How many people in your family flip burgers for a living?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Our education system is fucked, I'm not quite ready to blame it on liberals so much as the whole "no child left behind" bullshit. Kids need to learn to emotionally deal with failures and pick themselves back up to succeed. This is not being taught and it's creating a real mess /everywhere/, not just the job market, but society, politics, everywhere.

Unfortunately, it's too late. There's no resolution for this mistake either the country figures out the problem, buckles down, and fixes it, or we continue falling apart.

Take control of our schools from the Federali's and return it to the local school district.

How does the federal government control your local schools? They don't! Outside of funds for poor students and special education, there is very little that the feds have to do with the day to day instruction in any school. Perhaps if you ever attended one, you would have known that.

 

[EverCurious]

The debate is that Feds are basically bribing a specific flavor of education, both method and curriculum. Basically, "If you don't do x then you don't get this <insert program name> funds" Many groups, including senate education leaders, feel this is toeing the line of Federal involvement in state decisions on education, they have specifically come out against the "Race to the Top" and "Common Core" as coercion tactics that cross the laws against such things.

In general, Federal involvement is typically along the lines of "if you don't make x goal then we dock your funding" these programs are entirely different because it's "guiding" the curriculum down a federally "mandated" path and they argue it's de facto breaking the law.

 

[OldLady]

How so?
I have to go, but I will be eager to know what topics you feel are being taught in a less than factual or responsible way?

Thousands of School Districts Caught Indoctrinating Students – The Purdue Review

School Parents Outraged After Planned Parenthood Caught Indoctrinating Kids With The Genderbread Person

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/...g-students-with-so-much-teaching-about-islam/

Get 'Em While They're Young: Promoting Homosexuality In Public Schools

District gags 14-year-olds after ‘gay’ indoctrination

LGBT-Inclusive Curriculum | GLSEN

Why Address Gay Issues with Children

California schools scrambling to add lessons on LGBT Americans

I could go on but my fingers are cramping up....

So you are talking about stuff discussed briefly and ignored by kids?

And how do you know how long they spent on any particular subject?
Not that it really matters mind you.

Well they haven't replaced math with lgbt studies. It upset you that they don't pretend gay people don't exist?

It's not the schools job to push social issues...Period!!!

But it is the Republican Party's?

 

[OldLady]

I love how quickly these threads descend into pure garbage.

Education isn't garbage.

 

[OldLady]

Explain this indoctrinating. Shouldn't they be able to pass performance tests?

There have been countless posts on this board showing the means of indoctrination.
What is it with liberals and information retention?

This is off topic, but let me point out that teaching facts you disagree with does not equal indoctrination.

Bullshit.

How so?
I have to go, but I will be eager to know what topics you feel are being taught in a less than factual or responsible way?

Thousands of School Districts Caught Indoctrinating Students – The Purdue Review

School Parents Outraged After Planned Parenthood Caught Indoctrinating Kids With The Genderbread Person

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/...g-students-with-so-much-teaching-about-islam/

Get 'Em While They're Young: Promoting Homosexuality In Public Schools

District gags 14-year-olds after ‘gay’ indoctrination

LGBT-Inclusive Curriculum | GLSEN

Why Address Gay Issues with Children

California schools scrambling to add lessons on LGBT Americans

I could go on but my fingers are cramping up....

I've known two gay teenagers who commited suicide due to the humiliation and rejection they encountered from peers and the community in general. People with views like yours. I don't find it ridiculous to broaden young people's minds so that they can allow others different from them to co-exist, peacefully. That doesn't make it a government indoctrination center; it makes for good citizens. You may not like LGBT's. You don't have to. You do have to leave them alone. That's all kids are being taught.

 

[BlueGin]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

Our educational system has made Americans only capable of flipping burgers, that's why.

Our liberal education system

How many people in your family flip burgers for a living?

Zero

 

[pinqy]

We have over 94 million Americans out of the work force.
Labor Force Participation Rate Dropped to 62.8% In April: 94,044,000 Out

The number of Americans not in the labor force last month totaled 94,044,000, 562,000 more than in March -- and the labor force participation rate dropped to 62.8 percent (near a 38-year low), following four straight months of slight improvement.

When President Obama took office in Janaury 2009, the labor force partipation rate was 65.7 percent, after hovering in the 66-67 percent range for much of the George W. Bush presidency.

The recession inherited by the Obama administration officially ended in June 2009, but the labor force participation rate continued to drop during Obama's two terms, hitting 62.4 percent in September 2015, its lowest point in 38 years.

While 25 million foreign born workers are here on guest worker visas, and this includes the illegal black market labor.
Foreign-Born Employment in U.S. Dips Slightly from Record, Still At 25,460,000 - Breitbart
The number of foreign-born people employed in the United States dipped slightly last month compared to the record high set in March, but remained above 25 million mark, according to data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The BLS reports that 25,460,000 foreign-born people had a job in the U.S. during the month of April, a decrease of 281,000 compared to the month of March when a record 25,741,000 foreign-born people were employed in the U.S.

The BLS does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, defining the foreign-born as:

Those residing in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth. That is, they were born outside the United States or one of its outlying areas such as Puerto Rico or Guam, to parents neither of whom was a U.S. citizen. The native born are persons who were born in the United States or one of its outlying areas such as Puerto Rico or Guam or who were born abroad of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

And in this situation, we have declining job growth.
U.S. jobs growth slows down in April
Companies scaled back hiring in April, adding just 160,000 new jobs, in a sign the U.S. economy still hasn’t recovered from an early-year chill.

The April jobs report was well below Wall Street’s expectations. Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a 203,000 increase in nonfarm jobs.

The unemployment rate, meanwhile, was flat at 5%. More people dropped out of the labor force and the so-called participation rate fell for the first time in seven months. That could mean people find it a bit harder to get a job.

So WHY ARE WE BRINGING IN MORE GUEST WORKERS WHEN AMERICANS CANT GET TRAINED AND HIRED FOR THESE JOBS INSTEAD?

BECAUSE CORPORATIONS AVE BOUGHT OUR GOVERNMENT, IN MANY CASES USING MONEY WE GAVE TO BIG BANKS IN$5 TRILLION IN BANK HANDOUTS.

We gave $5 trillion to the banks, huge bailouts to various corporations and debt simply wiped off the books, and yet where are the bailouts for regular Middle Class Americans? We are paying these predatory mortgages still today, while the predators are still snorting coke and buying whores on Wall Street with that tax payer money that was then doled to them in huge million dollar bonuses. And it is wrong to raise their taxes, why? So they drug dealers and whores can stay in ridiculous wealth?

Where are the protesting Libertarian Traitors who throw a snit fit every time anyone proposes helping Americans? They love give a-ways to corporate America, because they are wannabe corporate pirates who hope one day to feast on the carcasses of their fellow Americans also, just like they see corporations doing today.

This has to end, folks. And if neocons like 'Paul Ryan the Sellout' dont like it, then throw the bastards out.

I'm not sure of your point. The vast majority of those not in the labor force don't want a job. We're talking retirees, disabled, housewives, full time students, independently wealthy, etc. And the 5.7 million not in the labor force who say they do want a job aren't doing anything about it, 3.3 million haven't done anything at all...even ask a friend if they knew of anything, in the last year. A-38. Persons not in the labor force by desire and availability for work, age, and sex

So those not in the labor force are not a good indicator of available labor. Oh, and those not in the labor force include 14.2 million foreign-born Table A-7. Employment status of the civilian population by nativity and sex, not seasonally adjusted

What? The workers NOT in the labor force are NOT a good indicator of available labor?

Right. If they're not in the labor force (they're not trying to work) then the're not available.

Are you aware of the FACT that the Labor participation Rate is made of the people who have QUIT LOOKING for a job?

That's not a fact. SOME have quit looking, but most don't want a job. "Not looking" is not the same as "quit looking"

The same excuses you are making, "retirees, disabled, housewives, full-time students, independently wealthy, etc., also existed in the 70's, 80's etc..

Right, that's always been a big part.

The Labor Participation Rate is the lowest since the mid-'70's. How do you get any other meaning?

Because the percent of the population that is disabled, old, and non-working students has gone up

 

[Fang]

Diversity is valued above common sense.

 

[tigerred59]

We have over 94 million Americans out of the work force.
Labor Force Participation Rate Dropped to 62.8% In April: 94,044,000 Out

The number of Americans not in the labor force last month totaled 94,044,000, 562,000 more than in March -- and the labor force participation rate dropped to 62.8 percent (near a 38-year low), following four straight months of slight improvement.

When President Obama took office in Janaury 2009, the labor force partipation rate was 65.7 percent, after hovering in the 66-67 percent range for much of the George W. Bush presidency.

The recession inherited by the Obama administration officially ended in June 2009, but the labor force participation rate continued to drop during Obama's two terms, hitting 62.4 percent in September 2015, its lowest point in 38 years.

While 25 million foreign born workers are here on guest worker visas, and this includes the illegal black market labor.
Foreign-Born Employment in U.S. Dips Slightly from Record, Still At 25,460,000 - Breitbart
The number of foreign-born people employed in the United States dipped slightly last month compared to the record high set in March, but remained above 25 million mark, according to data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The BLS reports that 25,460,000 foreign-born people had a job in the U.S. during the month of April, a decrease of 281,000 compared to the month of March when a record 25,741,000 foreign-born people were employed in the U.S.

The BLS does not distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants, defining the foreign-born as:

Those residing in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth. That is, they were born outside the United States or one of its outlying areas such as Puerto Rico or Guam, to parents neither of whom was a U.S. citizen. The native born are persons who were born in the United States or one of its outlying areas such as Puerto Rico or Guam or who were born abroad of at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen.

And in this situation, we have declining job growth.
U.S. jobs growth slows down in April
Companies scaled back hiring in April, adding just 160,000 new jobs, in a sign the U.S. economy still hasn’t recovered from an early-year chill.

The April jobs report was well below Wall Street’s expectations. Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a 203,000 increase in nonfarm jobs.

The unemployment rate, meanwhile, was flat at 5%. More people dropped out of the labor force and the so-called participation rate fell for the first time in seven months. That could mean people find it a bit harder to get a job.

So WHY ARE WE BRINGING IN MORE GUEST WORKERS WHEN AMERICANS CANT GET TRAINED AND HIRED FOR THESE JOBS INSTEAD?

BECAUSE CORPORATIONS AVE BOUGHT OUR GOVERNMENT, IN MANY CASES USING MONEY WE GAVE TO BIG BANKS IN$5 TRILLION IN BANK HANDOUTS.

We gave $5 trillion to the banks, huge bailouts to various corporations and debt simply wiped off the books, and yet where are the bailouts for regular Middle Class Americans? We are paying these predatory mortgages still today, while the predators are still snorting coke and buying whores on Wall Street with that tax payer money that was then doled to them in huge million dollar bonuses. And it is wrong to raise their taxes, why? So they drug dealers and whores can stay in ridiculous wealth?

Where are the protesting Libertarian Traitors who throw a snit fit every time anyone proposes helping Americans? They love give a-ways to corporate America, because they are wannabe corporate pirates who hope one day to feast on the carcasses of their fellow Americans also, just like they see corporations doing today.

This has to end, folks. And if neocons like 'Paul Ryan the Sellout' dont like it, then throw the bastards out.

I'm wondering with that wall he's gonna build, how the hell is he gonna get his shit lines back into this country? Got any ideas, you fuckin Trump loving moronic simp?

Tell ya what nigga. When the manufacturing playing field is leveled get back with me....

The person you call a nigga today....will be the black grand babies you shop for 2mar...remember, dark meat is a delicacy with yo women, just sayin

 

[pinqy]

Well that's my question and what I'm looking for info on. How do they get the numbers, off polls, off IRS reports, off what? Like if I fill out some paperwork and check "unemployed" and there's no further question about if I'm looking for work or just a housewife or stay-at-home-mom or w/e, I would think that falls on the "Unemployed" count wouldn't it? I'm just wondering how they do the stats thing for unemployment numbers because it's something I've never actually looked into.

Based on the Decennial Census, the country is divided into Primary Statistical Units. Each PSU is roughly county-sized and entirety in one state. Similar PSUs within a state are grouped together for random selection while bigger or unique PSUs are always selected, the process continues down to a list of addresses. 60,000 houses (including dorms and fraternity/sorority houses, excluding military housing, prisons, nursing homes) are surveyed every month. Each house is in the survey 4 months, then out for 8 months, then back in for 4. A quarter of the sample rotates every month.

Responses are collected for everyone in the house age 15 and older for the week that contains the 12th....the reference week. If someone owned a business/farm, or worked at least one hour for pay, or was temporarily absent from a job due to vacation/weather/strike or worked 15 or more hours unpaid in a family business /farm, they are employed.

Those not employed are asked what they did to find a job in the last 4 weeks. If they did anything at all that could have resulted in a job and they could have started work in the reference week, they are unemployed. Every one else is "not in the labor force.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

So you decided to provide an example in your post of the inability to think critically?

Nah, I just leave that to you liberals to exemplify, which NEVER fails to manifest itself in almost every thread.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The debate is that Feds are basically bribing a specific flavor of education, both method and curriculum. Basically, "If you don't do x then you don't get this <insert program name> funds" Many groups, including senate education leaders, feel this is toeing the line of Federal involvement in state decisions on education, they have specifically come out against the "Race to the Top" and "Common Core" as coercion tactics that cross the laws against such things.

In general, Federal involvement is typically along the lines of "if you don't make x goal then we dock your funding" these programs are entirely different because it's "guiding" the curriculum down a federally "mandated" path and they argue it's de facto breaking the law.

Case in point; where the hell does Michelle Obama get the authority to dictate what lunches will be served in public schools across the country?

There is no law that gives the wife of the elected President that authority, and yet she has it, apparently.

Figure out the means by which an unelected wife can dictate these lunch menus and you will understand how the Federalis have the power to dictate the school curriculums as well.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Our educational system has made Americans only capable of flipping burgers, that's why.

Our liberal education system

How many people in your family flip burgers for a living?

Why would anecdotal evidence be proof of anything?

 

[JimBowie1958]

I've known two gay teenagers who commited suicide due to the humiliation and rejection they encountered from peers and the community in general. People with views like yours. I don't find it ridiculous to broaden young people's minds so that they can allow others different from them to co-exist, peacefully. That doesn't make it a government indoctrination center; it makes for good citizens. You may not like LGBT's. You don't have to. You do have to leave them alone. That's all kids are being taught.

There is alot more to why those kids killed themselves, I'm sure, than just the words coming out of the mouths of people that dont like them.

There is no moral right for you to be liked, nor do homos have such a right. They are for pushing a degenerate life style is the 'new normal' and people are going to push back, no matter how many degenerate rocks stars or movie stars or TV stars (who decides who is a star anyway?) boycott/demonstrate/throw a hissy fit about it.

It wouldnt be such a hnateful thing were it not for the leadership of the homo community pushing this stuff in the most aggravating way in the faces of the rest of the public.

It is outrageous when the public school system abuses the trust many parents place in it to push these degenerate and evil agendas behind parents backs.

And just because some kid gets confused into think that there is no such thing as evil doesnt make them a 'good citizen'; it only makes them gullible morons.