workers see highest pay raise in nearly a decade

yea, that's a huge difference to anyone really. money vs family time is a balancing act to be sure. liking the company also goes a long way as many times no amount of $ can buy a better environment. good luck!
And how much do trumps tariffs eat into those pay raises ?
wouldn't matter what i tell you, you're consumed with hate.

shitty way to go through life but your life, have at it.

you so much remind me of that guard in shawshank redemption that even when good things happened, he spent all his time focused on the bad.

do yourself a favor, allow yourself to see something new in the world around you. it's not all about trump unless you do that to yourself.
I feel bad for you that you can't see the forest for the trees but I have no reason to hate you or others like you, but having a strong dislike for this ah in our wh doesn't make me a bad guy
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
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Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for once?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
 
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You know why it upsets me?

Because I have lived long enough to realize this economic prosperity will last only a short time. These economic peaks are the time when employees make up for periods of stagnant wages ......it is not happening

As soon as the economy turns south, employers will again beat the drum of......we would like to pay you more, but we can’t afford it
i can't disagree. i've lived long enough to see both sides of the political aisle fix things and screw it up. but we are seeing things come in line for the average worker that we've not seen in a decade and people still say "not enough".

to those people i don't know if there *is* enough. some people are just terminal bitchers and that makes things difficult to see if they have a point or just bitching again. not to say it's not justified at times, just that we all have different values and some seem to think theirs are correct and others wrong when in the end, just different, neither good nor bad on their own, only after interpretation.

it really doesn't matter what happens to the economy in the end if we can't get past our partisan bickering and hate. we'll do ourselves in just to prove the other side wrong too.

This is not partisan
It is people’s lives

I look at 2018 as a year when employers received close to a 50 percent tax cut. A year of sub 4 percent unemployment. A year where inflation jumped to 2.9 percent

I look at a meager 2.8 percent increase and find it insulting
would you rather not see an increase at all? to me this is like looking at a half full glass of water and being insulted it's not full.

it *is* peoples lives and if we've not seen this high a pay raise in 10+ years, why were you not insulted then? or maybe you were and i wasn't here to see it. but if we've been that stagnant that long it won't turn around quickly. again, i view this as a step in the right direction and to me, your taking it as an insult is like getting mad 1/3 of the way to your destination you're not there yet.

lets see what else happens and how we - together as a country if ever possible again - can make this even better next time around.

You should be happy with the crumbs we throw you. You know, we could have given you nothing....just like last year and the year before

Employers have made their money and don’t want to share any of it. Feed the employees meat scraps and let them think it is filet mignon
what was thrown 8 years before trump was throwing crumbs then?
Absolutely
With unemployment slowly dropping from ten percent, employers held all the cards. Sorry, no pay increases this year....how about we enroll you in the jelly of the month club?
 
I think what we are seeing here is the impact of the demise of the unions.

Back when union representation was strong, the union would look at economic conditions, corporate profits, inflation rates and demand a bigger slice of the pie

But workers are every man for themselves now, an employer can dangle a paltry 2.8 percent increase and say take it or leave it
Employees don’t have the strength to walk away
i've argued before that unions had their day but were not as necessary anymore. problem is - i see both sides to it. yes if you union up you may have force in numbers, but instead your money goes to the union vs. you. i believe JED was saying something to that effect also of plusses and minuses along the way. i don't think any of this is the "sole" reason for why things are the way they are but they contribute to a direction.

but again, in previous years it sounds like the employer was saying 0%, take it or leave it if this is our highest bump up in a decade. after talking with you and others i can see this isn't as good as i was thinking/hoping for cause at best this is neutral. but at least we're neutral for a change instead of falling behind as i would think we did in the last decade.
 
i can't disagree. i've lived long enough to see both sides of the political aisle fix things and screw it up. but we are seeing things come in line for the average worker that we've not seen in a decade and people still say "not enough".

to those people i don't know if there *is* enough. some people are just terminal bitchers and that makes things difficult to see if they have a point or just bitching again. not to say it's not justified at times, just that we all have different values and some seem to think theirs are correct and others wrong when in the end, just different, neither good nor bad on their own, only after interpretation.

it really doesn't matter what happens to the economy in the end if we can't get past our partisan bickering and hate. we'll do ourselves in just to prove the other side wrong too.

This is not partisan
It is people’s lives

I look at 2018 as a year when employers received close to a 50 percent tax cut. A year of sub 4 percent unemployment. A year where inflation jumped to 2.9 percent

I look at a meager 2.8 percent increase and find it insulting
would you rather not see an increase at all? to me this is like looking at a half full glass of water and being insulted it's not full.

it *is* peoples lives and if we've not seen this high a pay raise in 10+ years, why were you not insulted then? or maybe you were and i wasn't here to see it. but if we've been that stagnant that long it won't turn around quickly. again, i view this as a step in the right direction and to me, your taking it as an insult is like getting mad 1/3 of the way to your destination you're not there yet.

lets see what else happens and how we - together as a country if ever possible again - can make this even better next time around.

You should be happy with the crumbs we throw you. You know, we could have given you nothing....just like last year and the year before

Employers have made their money and don’t want to share any of it. Feed the employees meat scraps and let them think it is filet mignon
what was thrown 8 years before trump was throwing crumbs then?
Absolutely
With unemployment slowly dropping from ten percent, employers held all the cards. Sorry, no pay increases this year....how about we enroll you in the jelly of the month club?
again - if 2.8% is crumbs, how was it the 10 years before? not trying to start an argument or slam anyone but understand. we keep harping on 2.8 being bad but if this is the highest it's been in 10 years, what was it during those 10 years? jelly or not.
 
I think what we are seeing here is the impact of the demise of the unions.

Back when union representation was strong, the union would look at economic conditions, corporate profits, inflation rates and demand a bigger slice of the pie

But workers are every man for themselves now, an employer can dangle a paltry 2.8 percent increase and say take it or leave it
Employees don’t have the strength to walk away
And the difference between rich and others still widens
 
And how much do trumps tariffs eat into those pay raises ?
wouldn't matter what i tell you, you're consumed with hate.

shitty way to go through life but your life, have at it.

you so much remind me of that guard in shawshank redemption that even when good things happened, he spent all his time focused on the bad.

do yourself a favor, allow yourself to see something new in the world around you. it's not all about trump unless you do that to yourself.
I feel bad for you that you can't see the forest for the trees but I have no reason to hate you or others like you, but having a strong dislike for this ah in our wh doesn't make me a bad guy
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
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Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
 
I think employers like having their employees used to not getting raises

Giving a healthy raise now will spoil them
 
wouldn't matter what i tell you, you're consumed with hate.

shitty way to go through life but your life, have at it.

you so much remind me of that guard in shawshank redemption that even when good things happened, he spent all his time focused on the bad.

do yourself a favor, allow yourself to see something new in the world around you. it's not all about trump unless you do that to yourself.
I feel bad for you that you can't see the forest for the trees but I have no reason to hate you or others like you, but having a strong dislike for this ah in our wh doesn't make me a bad guy
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
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Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
i have no idea how they effect things. you're asking me to hate cause you do in this instance because do you fully understand the tariffs trump is changing and fighting to have in place? how it effects the individual businesses at play like the steel industry? how that filters down to consumer goods?

i'm not embarrassed to say i don't know. if you know please explain the correlation between the 2.8% wage increase and how tariffs effect it and i'll listen. as it stands you shouted BUT TARIFFS and didn't quantify your point so i have no idea if *you* understand or are just doing your usual drive-bys to ensure we know you hate trump and whatever he did last night was bullshit.

so i can't answer that question and i rely on nightwish and people who talk evenly and as unbiased as anyone can anymore to tell me info so i can learn. thats one reason i love to come into these forums and honestly don't enjoy the FUCK YOU NO FUCK YOU convos that dominate in here.

is that a fair answer for you?

now - thank you. i would agree those people were being extreme and unreasonable. for awhile i was one that also looked for the worst in obama regardless of what he did. he had an angle, he had a hidden motive, he's lying - all that you do to trump i did to obama for awhile til i saw it went nowhere and honestly, it's impossible for someone to be 100% wrong ALL THE TIME. so i backed off my hatewagon for a bit and tried to see things others were seeing. i wasn't always successful but i was trying.

now, i put those who do TRUMP SUCKS into the same useless category. if you felt it being done to obama was stupid i fail to see how stupid actions become smart simply because you're the one now doing them.
 
it's a positive direction. why does this upset you so much? if this was happening under obama, good.

good things don't become bad simply because you don't like someone. lord when will people grow the fuck up and see this? far too many people are lost inside their own ID.
You know why it upsets me?

Because I have lived long enough to realize this economic prosperity will last only a short time. These economic peaks are the time when employees make up for periods of stagnant wages ......it is not happening

As soon as the economy turns south, employers will again beat the drum of......we would like to pay you more, but we can’t afford it
i can't disagree. i've lived long enough to see both sides of the political aisle fix things and screw it up. but we are seeing things come in line for the average worker that we've not seen in a decade and people still say "not enough".

to those people i don't know if there *is* enough. some people are just terminal bitchers and that makes things difficult to see if they have a point or just bitching again. not to say it's not justified at times, just that we all have different values and some seem to think theirs are correct and others wrong when in the end, just different, neither good nor bad on their own, only after interpretation.

it really doesn't matter what happens to the economy in the end if we can't get past our partisan bickering and hate. we'll do ourselves in just to prove the other side wrong too.

This is not partisan
It is people’s lives

I look at 2018 as a year when employers received close to a 50 percent tax cut. A year of sub 4 percent unemployment. A year where inflation jumped to 2.9 percent

I look at a meager 2.8 percent increase and find it insulting
would you rather not see an increase at all? to me this is like looking at a half full glass of water and being insulted it's not full.

it *is* peoples lives and if we've not seen this high a pay raise in 10+ years, why were you not insulted then? or maybe you were and i wasn't here to see it. but if we've been that stagnant that long it won't turn around quickly. again, i view this as a step in the right direction and to me, your taking it as an insult is like getting mad 1/3 of the way to your destination you're not there yet.

lets see what else happens and how we - together as a country if ever possible again - can make this even better next time around.

You should be happy with the crumbs we throw you. You know, we could have given you nothing....just like last year and the year before

Employers have made their money and don’t want to share any of it. Feed the employees meat scraps and let them think it is filet mignon
Bottom line is this, these corporate tax breaks simply allowed stocks to be returned to the companies.....the few that do offer pay incentives, like my company, comes with strings attached...we're now expected to increase our production in order to recieve pay increases. .01% for every item produced...in short, we've become a slave factory for the man. The more cotton we pick, the more pennies they throw our way.
 
I feel bad for you that you can't see the forest for the trees but I have no reason to hate you or others like you, but having a strong dislike for this ah in our wh doesn't make me a bad guy
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
Tag this
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Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
i have no idea how they effect things. you're asking me to hate cause you do in this instance because do you fully understand the tariffs trump is changing and fighting to have in place? how it effects the individual businesses at play like the steel industry? how that filters down to consumer goods?

i'm not embarrassed to say i don't know. if you know please explain the correlation between the 2.8% wage increase and how tariffs effect it and i'll listen. as it stands you shouted BUT TARIFFS and didn't quantify your point so i have no idea if *you* understand or are just doing your usual drive-bys to ensure we know you hate trump and whatever he did last night was bullshit.

so i can't answer that question and i rely on nightwish and people who talk evenly and as unbiased as anyone can anymore to tell me info so i can learn. thats one reason i love to come into these forums and honestly don't enjoy the FUCK YOU NO FUCK YOU convos that dominate in here.

is that a fair answer for you?

now - thank you. i would agree those people were being extreme and unreasonable. for awhile i was one that also looked for the worst in obama regardless of what he did. he had an angle, he had a hidden motive, he's lying - all that you do to trump i did to obama for awhile til i saw it went nowhere and honestly, it's impossible for someone to be 100% wrong ALL THE TIME. so i backed off my hatewagon for a bit and tried to see things others were seeing. i wasn't always successful but i was trying.

now, i put those who do TRUMP SUCKS into the same useless category. if you felt it being done to obama was stupid i fail to see how stupid actions become smart simply because you're the one now doing them.
The CEO of AAPL stated tariffs are a tax on the people I'll go along with his thought
 
I feel bad for you that you can't see the forest for the trees but I have no reason to hate you or others like you, but having a strong dislike for this ah in our wh doesn't make me a bad guy
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
Tag this
POLITICS
Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
i have no idea how they effect things. you're asking me to hate cause you do in this instance because do you fully understand the tariffs trump is changing and fighting to have in place? how it effects the individual businesses at play like the steel industry? how that filters down to consumer goods?

i'm not embarrassed to say i don't know. if you know please explain the correlation between the 2.8% wage increase and how tariffs effect it and i'll listen. as it stands you shouted BUT TARIFFS and didn't quantify your point so i have no idea if *you* understand or are just doing your usual drive-bys to ensure we know you hate trump and whatever he did last night was bullshit.

so i can't answer that question and i rely on nightwish and people who talk evenly and as unbiased as anyone can anymore to tell me info so i can learn. thats one reason i love to come into these forums and honestly don't enjoy the FUCK YOU NO FUCK YOU convos that dominate in here.

is that a fair answer for you?

now - thank you. i would agree those people were being extreme and unreasonable. for awhile i was one that also looked for the worst in obama regardless of what he did. he had an angle, he had a hidden motive, he's lying - all that you do to trump i did to obama for awhile til i saw it went nowhere and honestly, it's impossible for someone to be 100% wrong ALL THE TIME. so i backed off my hatewagon for a bit and tried to see things others were seeing. i wasn't always successful but i was trying.

now, i put those who do TRUMP SUCKS into the same useless category. if you felt it being done to obama was stupid i fail to see how stupid actions become smart simply because you're the one now doing them.
LOL well maybe I'll follow your example in time, and back off my hatewagon for a bit and once more I love him bringing big corps money back home Obama tried Repubs told him shove it
 
I think employers like having their employees used to not getting raises

Giving a healthy raise now will spoil them
They don't give raises, because people don't leave jobs anymore......raises were used to reward hard work and to help retain good employees.....but over the years, they've concluded, we ain't going anywhere, still producing, so why give raises??? And because so many immigrants now work for a lot of these big name companies, mine included.....who show up, do what they're told, so your ability to organize or build a resistance base is next to zero, these mf's are just happy to work and be in America....immigrants are the worst for america's labor, but the best thing to happen to Wall street.
 
U.S. Workers Get Biggest Pay Increase in Nearly a Decade

not too long ago there were anti-trump posts talking about how wages have not increased.

gonna need to redo that occupydemocrats.org powerpoint slide now.

So?

Sure, average pay rise over the last 12 months was 2.8%.

But the inflation rate is now up to 2.9%.

US Inflation Rate at 2.9% in June, Highest in 6 Years - Live Trading News

And it has risen over 70% in the last year.

United States Inflation Rate | 1914-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar


That means the average pay rise is NOT keeping pace with inflation.

That is BAD news.
i never said it was keeping up and i never again said this was the coup de grace as people are trying to make it out to be. it's a positive step i hope we continue. if you and others insist on whipping your dicks out and peeing on the parade, go ahead. but it speaks more of you than us.

Except it's not really "a positive step", at best it's a neutral step, as I already pointed out it's inflationary (lagging indicator) and we're talking about the ECI which measures the costs of both wages and benefits.

So for example if the cost of employer provided health insurance rises so will the ECI since it's part of the calculation, does that mean workers got more value in total compensation? No it means workers got the exact same total compensation at a higher price tag and in the meantime their cost of living has increased so they're actually worse off from a buying power perspective and then businesses have to pass along those higher costs in the form of higher prices, which leads to decreasing buying power, rinse, wash, repeat.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade just pointing out that the devil is in the details not in the headline.
nope. i appreciate it. info for the sake of info is a good thing.but if we have the highest wage increase in a decade and we're still at best "even" how do we look at the last 10 years? was the inflationary rate lower?

For a number of reasons, over the last 40 years average growth in real wages has been relatively flat (around 0.2% per year), in other words about break even for most workers, There are of course exceptions, like for example the information technology sector but we're talking on average.

One of the symptoms of this slow wage growth has been increased household borrowing just to maintain the same standard of living and the debt service generally wipes out those modest wage gains for a lot of people, so for a good number of workers they're actually going backwards in terms of purchasing power.
 
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
Tag this
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Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
i have no idea how they effect things. you're asking me to hate cause you do in this instance because do you fully understand the tariffs trump is changing and fighting to have in place? how it effects the individual businesses at play like the steel industry? how that filters down to consumer goods?

i'm not embarrassed to say i don't know. if you know please explain the correlation between the 2.8% wage increase and how tariffs effect it and i'll listen. as it stands you shouted BUT TARIFFS and didn't quantify your point so i have no idea if *you* understand or are just doing your usual drive-bys to ensure we know you hate trump and whatever he did last night was bullshit.

so i can't answer that question and i rely on nightwish and people who talk evenly and as unbiased as anyone can anymore to tell me info so i can learn. thats one reason i love to come into these forums and honestly don't enjoy the FUCK YOU NO FUCK YOU convos that dominate in here.

is that a fair answer for you?

now - thank you. i would agree those people were being extreme and unreasonable. for awhile i was one that also looked for the worst in obama regardless of what he did. he had an angle, he had a hidden motive, he's lying - all that you do to trump i did to obama for awhile til i saw it went nowhere and honestly, it's impossible for someone to be 100% wrong ALL THE TIME. so i backed off my hatewagon for a bit and tried to see things others were seeing. i wasn't always successful but i was trying.

now, i put those who do TRUMP SUCKS into the same useless category. if you felt it being done to obama was stupid i fail to see how stupid actions become smart simply because you're the one now doing them.
LOL well maybe I'll follow your example in time, and back off my hatewagon for a bit and once more I love him bringing big corps money back home Obama tried Repubs told him shove it
Actually, there's nothing Trump has done that Obama hadn't at least attempted to bring up....and at every turn the GOP shut him down. So to keep praising Trump for all the shit he's done...Obama never had a chance with them white bastards who are now Trumps bitches shutting him down.
 
U.S. Workers Get Biggest Pay Increase in Nearly a Decade

not too long ago there were anti-trump posts talking about how wages have not increased.

gonna need to redo that occupydemocrats.org powerpoint slide now.

So?

Sure, average pay rise over the last 12 months was 2.8%.

But the inflation rate is now up to 2.9%.

US Inflation Rate at 2.9% in June, Highest in 6 Years - Live Trading News

And it has risen over 70% in the last year.

United States Inflation Rate | 1914-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar


That means the average pay rise is NOT keeping pace with inflation.

That is BAD news.
i never said it was keeping up and i never again said this was the coup de grace as people are trying to make it out to be. it's a positive step i hope we continue. if you and others insist on whipping your dicks out and peeing on the parade, go ahead. but it speaks more of you than us.

Except it's not really "a positive step", at best it's a neutral step, as I already pointed out it's inflationary (lagging indicator) and we're talking about the ECI which measures the costs of both wages and benefits.

So for example if the cost of employer provided health insurance rises so will the ECI since it's part of the calculation, does that mean workers got more value in total compensation? No it means workers got the exact same total compensation at a higher price tag and in the meantime their cost of living has increased so they're actually worse off from a buying power perspective and then businesses have to pass along those higher costs in the form of higher prices, which leads to decreasing buying power, rinse, wash, repeat.

I'm not trying to rain on your parade just pointing out that the devil is in the details not in the headline.
nope. i appreciate it. info for the sake of info is a good thing.but if we have the highest wage increase in a decade and we're still at best "even" how do we look at the last 10 years? was the inflationary rate lower?

For a number of reasons, over the last 40 years average growth in real wages has been relatively flat (around 0.2% per year), in other words about break even for most workers, There are of course exceptions, like for example the information technology sector but we're talking on average.

One of the symptoms of this slow wage growth has been increased household borrowing just to maintain the same standard of living and the debt service generally wipes out those modest wage gains for a lot of people, so for a good number of workers they're actually going backwards in terms of purchasing power.
Our economy once again is based on easy credit and housing loans...the same shit that took us down in 2007 and will take us down again. Theres no real income in the pockets of american workers, no savings, no real wage growth, just easy credit and people borrowing off their homes.
 
didn't say bad.

i said it was a closed mind that would only really allow yourself to see the worst in everything.

think back to when obama was in office and you talked to people who only saw the worst in obama and what he did regardless of what it was. did you think they were stupid and not being realistic?

if so, tag, you're it.
Tag this
POLITICS
Trump Calls on Sessions to Stop Mueller's Russia Probe
Top Democratic lawmakers calls it an attempt to obstruct justice. What's he worried about??
that isn't what i asked. can we simply answer questions and not deflect for one?

when people were running around making OBAMA SUCKS post one after another, did you think they were off on the extreme and not being fair about it?
You talk about me not answering your question? What about the one I asked you about tariffs affecting your ""huge"" pay raises ,,,,and in answer Yes I did think they were more than unfair blaming Obama and never giving credit
i have no idea how they effect things. you're asking me to hate cause you do in this instance because do you fully understand the tariffs trump is changing and fighting to have in place? how it effects the individual businesses at play like the steel industry? how that filters down to consumer goods?

i'm not embarrassed to say i don't know. if you know please explain the correlation between the 2.8% wage increase and how tariffs effect it and i'll listen. as it stands you shouted BUT TARIFFS and didn't quantify your point so i have no idea if *you* understand or are just doing your usual drive-bys to ensure we know you hate trump and whatever he did last night was bullshit.

so i can't answer that question and i rely on nightwish and people who talk evenly and as unbiased as anyone can anymore to tell me info so i can learn. thats one reason i love to come into these forums and honestly don't enjoy the FUCK YOU NO FUCK YOU convos that dominate in here.

is that a fair answer for you?

now - thank you. i would agree those people were being extreme and unreasonable. for awhile i was one that also looked for the worst in obama regardless of what he did. he had an angle, he had a hidden motive, he's lying - all that you do to trump i did to obama for awhile til i saw it went nowhere and honestly, it's impossible for someone to be 100% wrong ALL THE TIME. so i backed off my hatewagon for a bit and tried to see things others were seeing. i wasn't always successful but i was trying.

now, i put those who do TRUMP SUCKS into the same useless category. if you felt it being done to obama was stupid i fail to see how stupid actions become smart simply because you're the one now doing them.
LOL well maybe I'll follow your example in time, and back off my hatewagon for a bit and once more I love him bringing big corps money back home Obama tried Repubs told him shove it
And ice ,,how many CEO's economists on limbs far higher than you and I say tariffs are NOT a good thing for Trump to be instituting now?
 
I think employers like having their employees used to not getting raises

Giving a healthy raise now will spoil them
They don't give raises, because people don't leave jobs anymore......raises were used to reward hard work and to help retain good employees.....but over the years, they've concluded, we ain't going anywhere, still producing, so why give raises??? And because so many immigrants now work for a lot of these big name companies, mine included.....who show up, do what they're told, so your ability to organize or build a resistance base is next to zero, these mf's are just happy to work and be in America....immigrants are the worst for america's labor, but the best thing to happen to Wall street.

People don't leave jobs because they were scarce, with jobs becoming more available more will be leaving.
 

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