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From your MessiahRushie!!!Krauthammer gets it.
Did the state make you great? « Hot Air HeadlinesTo say that all individuals are embedded in and the product of society is banal. Obama rises above banality by means of fallacy: equating society with government, the collectivity with the state. Of course we are shaped by our milieu. But the most formative, most important influence on the individual is not government. It is civil society, those elements of the collectivity that lie outside government: family, neighborhood, church, Rotary club, PTA, the voluntary associations that Tocqueville understood to be the genius of America and source of its energy and freedom.
Absurd. We dont credit the Swiss postal service with the Special Theory of Relativity because it transmitted Einsteins manuscript to the Annalen der Physik. Everyone drives the roads, goes to school, uses the mails. So did Steve Jobs. Yet only he created the Mac and the iPad.
Obamas infrastructure argument is easily refuted by what is essentially a controlled social experiment. Roads and schools are the constant. Whats variable is the energy, enterprise, risk-taking, hard work and genius of the individual. It is therefore precisely those individual characteristics, not the communal utilities, that account for the different outcomes.
Obama is minimizing the 'individual's' drive, determination and persistence in starting/running a business and is pushing the 'collective' end of it as being more important.
Hmmmm, wonder where he got that notion from ...
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
Yes you did edit something out and it was Obama's own sumation that HE gave to represent the whole. And you know it!If there was no way to take it out of context, why did you edit out the part regarding roads and bridges?There was literally NO WAY to take Obama's comments out of context. Think about it for a minute... the reason he made the speech that he did was to justify his larger argument about raising taxes. Why he thinks it's okay to ask more of the business community IS the context.
The guy said what he meant. And he did it in such a way as to make it impossible to take it any other way. Just because you see his speech reduced to one sentence, doesn't mean that the one sentence you see isn't actually representative of the whole.
I didn't edit anything out. What I said was that there's no way to take any part of Obama's statement out of context. ALL of it was within the larger context regarding why he thinks it's okay to raise taxes on business. The one sentence which appears to be the bone of contention "you didn't build that business" is representative of the whole. IOW, complete context doesn't fix this.
No one is taking it literally as Obama saying 'government built your entire business'. That's not what's happening. But he makes it sound like government is some sort of partner, like the public has some sort of small vested ownership interest, and that's just not so.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
From your MessiahRushie!!!
Obama is minimizing the 'individual's' drive, determination and persistence in starting/running a business and is pushing the 'collective' end of it as being more important.
Hmmmm, wonder where he got that notion from ...
What Obama actually said and dishonest CON$ervoFascist scum like the Hreitage Foundation edited out was that business is successful not only from individual initative, but also from working together.
Here is what the dishonest scum always edit out of Obama's speech:
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
Yes you did edit something out and it was Obama's own sumation that HE gave to represent the whole. And you know it!If there was no way to take it out of context, why did you edit out the part regarding roads and bridges?
I didn't edit anything out. What I said was that there's no way to take any part of Obama's statement out of context. ALL of it was within the larger context regarding why he thinks it's okay to raise taxes on business. The one sentence which appears to be the bone of contention "you didn't build that business" is representative of the whole. IOW, complete context doesn't fix this.
No one is taking it literally as Obama saying 'government built your entire business'. That's not what's happening. But he makes it sound like government is some sort of partner, like the public has some sort of small vested ownership interest, and that's just not so.
Here is what dishonest CON$ deliberately edit out of Obama's speech:
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together".
FIFY. The problem is in the last half of the sentence, where Obama infers a vested public interest in the PRIVATE enterprise of citizens. He takes credit where none is due, as these businesses are already paying more than their "fair share", and he does all that in the context of trying to squeeze more dough out of them.
And you are trying to deny credit where credit is due. Businesses do not pay their fair share, most Fortune 500 companies pay nothing. See the below report for the BOOM years 1998 to 2005!!!!From your MessiahRushie!!!Obama is minimizing the 'individual's' drive, determination and persistence in starting/running a business and is pushing the 'collective' end of it as being more important.
Hmmmm, wonder where he got that notion from ...
What Obama actually said and dishonest CON$ervoFascist scum like the Hreitage Foundation edited out was that business is successful not only from individual initative, but also from working together.
Here is what the dishonest scum always edit out of Obama's speech:
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
FIFY. The problem is in the last half of the sentence, where Obama infers a vested public interest in the PRIVATE enterprise of citizens. He takes credit where none is due, as these businesses are already paying more than their "fair share", and he does all that in the context of trying to squeeze more dough out of them.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
And what a coincidence, I gave you some missing info there.Yes you did edit something out and it was Obama's own sumation that HE gave to represent the whole. And you know it!I didn't edit anything out. What I said was that there's no way to take any part of Obama's statement out of context. ALL of it was within the larger context regarding why he thinks it's okay to raise taxes on business. The one sentence which appears to be the bone of contention "you didn't build that business" is representative of the whole. IOW, complete context doesn't fix this.
No one is taking it literally as Obama saying 'government built your entire business'. That's not what's happening. But he makes it sound like government is some sort of partner, like the public has some sort of small vested ownership interest, and that's just not so.
Here is what dishonest CON$ deliberately edit out of Obama's speech:
What a coincidence... I was just fixing that on another thread for you.
#2079
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together".
FIFY. The problem is in the last half of the sentence, where Obama infers a vested public interest in the PRIVATE enterprise of citizens. He takes credit where none is due, as these businesses are already paying more than their "fair share", and he does all that in the context of trying to squeeze more dough out of them.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
And you are trying to deny credit where credit is due. Businesses do not pay their fair share, most Fortune 500 companies pay nothing. See the below report for the BOOM years 1998 to 2005!!!!From your MessiahRushie!!!
What Obama actually said and dishonest CON$ervoFascist scum like the Hreitage Foundation edited out was that business is successful not only from individual initative, but also from working together.
Here is what the dishonest scum always edit out of Obama's speech:
FIFY. The problem is in the last half of the sentence, where Obama infers a vested public interest in the PRIVATE enterprise of citizens. He takes credit where none is due, as these businesses are already paying more than their "fair share", and he does all that in the context of trying to squeeze more dough out of them.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
And what a coincidence, I gave you some missing info there.Yes you did edit something out and it was Obama's own sumation that HE gave to represent the whole. And you know it!
Here is what dishonest CON$ deliberately edit out of Obama's speech:
What a coincidence... I was just fixing that on another thread for you.
#2079
And you are trying to deny credit where credit is due. Businesses do not pay their fair share, most Fortune 500 companies pay nothing. See the below report for the BOOM years 1998 to 2005!!!!
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
Only if you sell what you grow.Just what did the residences do in a town with no business? Even panning for gold is a business. farming is a business. sheesh.....
I agree.
Wall Street destroyed the world economy on their own.
Insurance companies denied coverage to sick people on their own.
And Your answer was shot down in that thread too.And you are trying to deny credit where credit is due. Businesses do not pay their fair share, most Fortune 500 companies pay nothing. See the below report for the BOOM years 1998 to 2005!!!!FIFY. The problem is in the last half of the sentence, where Obama infers a vested public interest in the PRIVATE enterprise of citizens. He takes credit where none is due, as these businesses are already paying more than their "fair share", and he does all that in the context of trying to squeeze more dough out of them.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
That was shot down in the other thread too, Ed. #155
What's more, small businesses owners don't typically organize their businesses in the same way giant corporations do. We're talking LLC's and S corps. But the biggest fallacy in this entire argument is that it's not political gamesmanship. Obama and his Democrat cronies already KNOW that "taxing the rich" isn't really a drop in the bucket.
Would Taxing the Rich Fix the Deficit? | LearnLiberty
This is all political rhetoric on his part, designed to divide Americans and create the "class warfare" scenario he thinks will benefit him. Envy is a natural human emotion, easy enough to stimulate. What he's doing is attempting to capitalize on that.
