"You didn't get there on your own"

[Uncensored2008]

Prudence? Like fiscal conservatism? Balanced budgets? Liberalism also expected people to be educated and preserve liberty.

Modern progressives like Bgfrn are not liberals, they are leftists. Payne would recognize nothing of their agenda, though Mao and Stalin would embrace it as their own.

 

[P@triot]

I am truly amazed at the lack of understanding the right has of economics.

Says the side that has created nothing but massive unemployment, massive national debt, and massive gas prices. Then claims their policies are "working" :cuckoo". There isn't a liberal/progressive/democrat alive that understands economics. And that is because liberals refuse to look at facts or accept history. Instead, they are fed propaganda and they eat it up like the idiot sow's that they are. Communism/Marxism/Socialism doesn't work. It has never worked. But just keep eating up the false information that George Soros is spoon feeding you so he can consolidate his power over you. This is a man who called working for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's "the greatest time of his life".

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy. Edmund Burke

I.E. we recognize that Communism/Marxism/Socialism runs up massive debt until it collapses the entire nation, but we need to attempt to justify these nationa collapsing policies.

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. Edmund Burke

Only an asshole thinks freedom is "oppressive". Funny think about liberal assholes, all of them have lived under the ultimate privilege of freedom while bashing it. Would love to see each and every one of them live under the oppresive regimes of Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. Wonder how much they would love communism while they were being lined up for execution?

Stimulus Too Small - The Wall Street Journal

Well, we have been unlucky.

Vintage liberal "logic". No matter how much failure their policies create, no matter how much misery their policies manufacture, no matter how much it ends in disaster, ignore the facts and just declare "unlucky". I've always felt really bad for the GOP in Congress, because trying to work with liberals is like working with small children. They don't understand the issues, they don't understand economics, they just have an ideology and they push straight ahead like stubborn children with the ideology. The GOP are the only adults in the room - that has to be exasperating after a while.

 

[Listening]

Listening to you just reinforces a universal truth.

Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear.
William E. Gladstone

Leftism is the rule of people without compassion or mercy.

Yea, the people who created Medicare, the Civil Rights bill, Social Security and ended child slavery, NOW want to kill them all...

This from the person who claims to operate from reason and logic ?



Medicare can be seen as good and bad....it depends on your point of view.

Social Security...the same.

Civil Rights has always been a lightning rod....it is not the cure all you wish it was.

Child Slavery ? You think we've ended it ? You ever talk to people in the school system who see kids who are being abused by the awful family circumstances they are allowed to wallow in ?

I'd rather see a kid working 10 hours a day than living with his crack whore mom who has a new boyfriend every week.

I'd most rather see neither every happen.

But, liberals just cower at the idea that any of their doings helped to cause the issues with todays current "traditional" family. They seem to hate it.

But hey....that crack whore mom didn't get there on her own.

 

[P@triot]

what could possibly be the end game for our brain dead liberals now the Hitler Stalin Mao Tojo Castro Pot pot, and now Europe have failed???

It hasn't changed.

What the left values, the ONLY thing the left values, is order. The goal remains a global dictatorship that will impose order on humanity, that will force people to obey without question or resistance.

Truer words were never spoken! Very well said. They genuinely fear freedom. The thought of people doing their own thing in their own direction causes massive panic attacks in liberals. The idea of a totalitarianism brings comfort to them, because they think everybody being forced to "row" in the same direction will bring results. Little do they know, none of us are sitting in the same boat . This is all because they reject history, refuse to learn and understand it, and instead rely on the false history (like George Washington and the assinine cherry tree story) created by the propaganda crowd.

 

[Katzndogz]

You didn't get there on your own is supposed to impose the idea that business owners accepted welfare. Welfare in the form of infrastructure. Having accepted welfare, they should not now claim they did it on their own.

To the democrats even a government contract, in which the government becomes a customer is a form of welfare.

 

[Oddball]

And, btw Adam Smith is a conservative icon (invisible hand), as so is Milton Friedman. Friedman was an economic adviser to Ronald Reagan. His political philosophy extolled the virtues of a free market economic system with minimal intervention.

With the notable exception of Harding and Coolidge, we never have come to that "minimal intervention" point in the last century or so.

 

[Bfgrn]

I am truly amazed at the lack of understanding the right has of economics.

Says the side that has created nothing but massive unemployment, massive national debt, and massive gas prices. Then claims their policies are "working" :cuckoo". There isn't a liberal/progressive/democrat alive that understands economics. And that is because liberals refuse to look at facts or accept history. Instead, they are fed propaganda and they eat it up like the idiot sow's that they are. Communism/Marxism/Socialism doesn't work. It has never worked. But just keep eating up the false information that George Soros is spoon feeding you so he can consolidate his power over you. This is a man who called working for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's "the greatest time of his life".

Mere parsimony is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy. Edmund Burke

I.E. we recognize that Communism/Marxism/Socialism runs up massive debt until it collapses the entire nation, but we need to attempt to justify these nationa collapsing policies.

Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. Edmund Burke

Only an asshole thinks freedom is "oppressive". Funny think about liberal assholes, all of them have lived under the ultimate privilege of freedom while bashing it. Would love to see each and every one of them live under the oppresive regimes of Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. Wonder how much they would love communism while they were being lined up for execution?

Stimulus Too Small - The Wall Street Journal

Well, we have been unlucky.

Vintage liberal "logic". No matter how much failure their policies create, no matter how much misery their policies manufacture, no matter how much it ends in disaster, ignore the facts and just declare "unlucky". I've always felt really bad for the GOP in Congress, because trying to work with liberals is like working with small children. They don't understand the issues, they don't understand economics, they just have an ideology and they push straight ahead like stubborn children with the ideology. The GOP are the only adults in the room - that has to be exasperating after a while.

The 'adults' are the ones who ruined our economy and created our debt. Why is logic an enemy and truth a menace to you right wing parrots?

See if your tiny little brain can comprehend THIS:

Ronald Reagan, not a Democrat, created as much debt in 5 years, as it took every other president from George Washington to Carter to create...COMBINED. Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

And where was all this angst and concern about debt from conservatives when Bush and Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for almost a decade??? When Bush was starting a 3 trillion dollar war of ideology in Iraq, there was not a fucking PEEP from you right wingers, just cheers and 'bring 'em on'... And where was this less government mantra? You right wingers LOVED BIG government and government intervention into people lives... the Patriot Act, trashing habeas corpus, the Geneva Conventions and the US War Crimes Act.

 

[P@triot]

You didn't get there on your own is supposed to impose the idea that business owners accepted welfare. Welfare in the form of infrastructure. Having accepted welfare, they should not now claim they did it on their own.

To the democrats even a government contract, in which the government becomes a customer is a form of welfare.

But even that doesn't hold up, because the business owners PAID for that stuff in the form of taxes. The highest corporate taxes in the WORLD.

 

[P@triot]

I am truly amazed at the lack of understanding the right has of economics.

Says the side that has created nothing but massive unemployment, massive national debt, and massive gas prices. Then claims their policies are "working" :cuckoo". There isn't a liberal/progressive/democrat alive that understands economics. And that is because liberals refuse to look at facts or accept history. Instead, they are fed propaganda and they eat it up like the idiot sow's that they are. Communism/Marxism/Socialism doesn't work. It has never worked. But just keep eating up the false information that George Soros is spoon feeding you so he can consolidate his power over you. This is a man who called working for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's "the greatest time of his life".



I.E. we recognize that Communism/Marxism/Socialism runs up massive debt until it collapses the entire nation, but we need to attempt to justify these nationa collapsing policies.



Only an asshole thinks freedom is "oppressive". Funny think about liberal assholes, all of them have lived under the ultimate privilege of freedom while bashing it. Would love to see each and every one of them live under the oppresive regimes of Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. Wonder how much they would love communism while they were being lined up for execution?

Stimulus Too Small - The Wall Street Journal

Well, we have been unlucky.

Vintage liberal "logic". No matter how much failure their policies create, no matter how much misery their policies manufacture, no matter how much it ends in disaster, ignore the facts and just declare "unlucky". I've always felt really bad for the GOP in Congress, because trying to work with liberals is like working with small children. They don't understand the issues, they don't understand economics, they just have an ideology and they push straight ahead like stubborn children with the ideology. The GOP are the only adults in the room - that has to be exasperating after a while.

The 'adults' are the ones who ruined our economy and created our debt. Why is logic an enemy and truth a menace to you right wing parrots?

See if your tiny little brain can comprehend THIS:

Ronald Reagan, not a Democrat, created as much debt in 5 years, as it took every other president from George Washington to Carter to create...COMBINED. Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

And where was all this angst and concern about debt from conservatives when Bush and Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for almost a decade??? When Bush was starting a 3 trillion dollar war of ideology in Iraq, there was not a fucking PEEP from you right wingers, just cheers and 'bring 'em on'... And where was this less government mantra? You right wingers LOVED BIG government and government intervention into people lives... the Patriot Act, trashing habeas corpus, the Geneva Conventions and the US War Crimes Act.

In other words, the numbers show I'm right and you are wrong, so lets change the conversation to Ronald Reagan . Ronald Reagan is dead my friend. It's time to move on.

And Barack Obama has added more to the national debt in his first 3 years than George Washington through George Bush combined in their first 3 years. In fact, he's added more to the debt in 3 years than Ronald Reagan did in 8 years!!!

Finally, everyone I know was disgusted with the spending of GWB. So stop using that as an EXCUSE and just admit that Barack Obama is a FAILURE! We have no problems criticizing conservative representatives, wonder why you little Nazi's can't criticize your representatives?!?!

 

[Foxfyre]

Seems to me that the Obama apologists are getting a little frantic trying to raise up President Bush as the great Satan once again and focus attention on him rather than look at the record of their own hero. Most especially when at least one continues to spam the thread with the same tired charts and graphs over and over and over. Others want to point to the "evils" of free market, laissez faire economic principles by demonizing former Presidents or focus on evil corporations or Wall Street as the villains in the current economic maliase. A few support the President in the concept that everything is just hunky dory all things considered.

After all he has raised the deficit and increased spending less than any of his predecessors. Once you sort of ignore his first year in office that is. But it is true. If you spend and borrow and obligate the people about as much as is possible to do that and then continue at that level from that point on, you can claim you aren't raising spending or increasing the deficit much.

And none of that changes the fact that the President does not give the business owner or the working man credit for much of anything, and he continues to look to government as the solution for all things.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The 'adults' are the ones who ruined our economy and created our debt. Why is logic an enemy and truth a menace to you right wing parrots?

You actually believe that George Bush single-handedly created the mortgage bubble and the sub-prime ponzi scheme, and you have the nerve to criticize others?

See if your tiny little brain can comprehend THIS:

Ronald Reagan, not a Democrat, created as much debt in 5 years, as it took every other president from George Washington to Carter to create...COMBINED.

See if the party can grasp this, and then feed it into your central nervous cluster, drone:

Barack Obama, a democrat, created as much debt in 3 1/2 years as it took every other president, from George Washington and including Reagan, to create. Obama has added to date, $5.67 Trillion in debt, which will be at $6.5 by the time he leaves office in January. That is a greater debt than held the day Reagan left office - by ONE man.

Funny how you seem to miss this.

But then, there is no hypocrisy like demopocrisy.

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion!

Which is less debt than Obama alone has added.

And where was all this angst and concern about debt from conservatives when Bush and Republicans controlled the White House and both houses of Congress for almost a decade???

Everywhere.

Bush was pilloried over the debt he added. Reagan added debt to defeat your beloved USSR, it was an investment that ushered in the longest peace time expansion in U.S. History. Obama, on the other hand, has driven us right back into recession.

When Bush was starting a 3 trillion dollar war of ideology in Iraq, there was not a fucking PEEP from you right wingers, just cheers and 'bring 'em on'...

You couldn't hear because your head was, and is, shoved firmly up your ass.

And where was this less government mantra? You right wingers LOVED BIG government and government intervention into people lives... the Patriot Act, trashing habeas corpus, the Geneva Conventions and the US War Crimes Act.

Who here has supported the Patriot Act?

Obama does, but I see no conservatives in support of it. Habeas corpus you are just lying about - or your party is, you are but a drone reciting what you are programmed to recite.

You know who actually DID suspend habeas corpus? Abraham Lincoln, whom every leftist in this forum will claim as the greatest president in history.

 

[Foxfyre]

You didn't get there on your own is supposed to impose the idea that business owners accepted welfare. Welfare in the form of infrastructure. Having accepted welfare, they should not now claim they did it on their own.

To the democrats even a government contract, in which the government becomes a customer is a form of welfare.

But even that doesn't hold up, because the business owners PAID for that stuff in the form of taxes. The highest corporate taxes in the WORLD.

Yup. Or perhaps President Obama thinks that all that infrastructure magically appeared as a benevolent act of the great God government which allowed somebody to then build a business. Does he think there would be ANY infrastructure anywhere if there were not people starting businesses, hiring people, and fueling an economy?

Maybe he thinks government doesn't need us at all? You just set up a government, print up some money, and run a country?

 

[Listening]

I drive around and look to see what infrastructure we need that we don't have.

I can't see any.

What is it that you would spend money on.

Right now, my city is busy tearing up good roads and resurfacing them so they can spend all their budgeted dollars. What a racket.

The best thing we could do would be to spend the money on severance for all the government people who need to be let go (and their departments shut down) so small business can more easily get started.

 

[Barb]

I drive around and look to see what infrastructure we need that we don't have.

I can't see any.

What is it that you would spend money on.

Right now, my city is busy tearing up good roads and resurfacing them so they can spend all their budgeted dollars. What a racket.

The best thing we could do would be to spend the money on severance for all the government people who need to be let go (and their departments shut down) so small business can more easily get started.

Negged for being a lying sack of shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Negged for being a lying sack of shit.

Looks like he can hit back a lot harder than you can attack.

I'd say you made a stupid move with that.

 

[chanel]

You didn't get there on your own is supposed to impose the idea that business owners accepted welfare. Welfare in the form of infrastructure. Having accepted welfare, they should not now claim they did it on their own.

To the democrats even a government contract, in which the government becomes a customer is a form of welfare.

But even that doesn't hold up, because the business owners PAID for that stuff in the form of taxes. The highest corporate taxes in the WORLD.

Yup. Or perhaps President Obama thinks that all that infrastructure magically appeared as a benevolent act of the great God government which allowed somebody to then build a business. Does he think there would be ANY infrastructure anywhere if there were not people starting businesses, hiring people, and fueling an economy?

Maybe he thinks government doesn't need us at all? You just set up a government, print up some money, and run a country?

Well today I heard more backpedalling (or digging themselves deeper) about small businesses being in "partnership" with the govt. I can't find the quote from O's spokesperson but I'll keep looking.

Guess what? Very few businesses consider Big Brother a "partner". And he still doesn't get that. Partners don't take half your money and then tell you that you are greedy.

 

[bripat9643]

Guess what? Very few businesses consider Big Brother a "partner". And he still doesn't get that. Partners don't take half your money and then tell you that you are greedy.

Government is a "partner" like Guido the Leg Breaker down the street. He's always there to take his cut of what your business earns.

 

[P@triot]

The 'adults' are the ones who ruined our economy and created our debt. Why is logic an enemy and truth a menace to you right wing parrots?

You actually believe that George Bush single-handedly created the mortgage bubble and the sub-prime ponzi scheme, and you have the nerve to criticize others?

The irony of course, is that Bill Clinton single-handedly created the mortgage bubble and sub-prime ponzi scheme, when he signed the Community Re-Investment Act and forced banks to make loans to people who didn't previously qualify.

It's what happens when communist/marxist/socialist government interferes with the free market.

Before Bill Clinton and that bill, a house was an asset that went up and up and up in price over the years. After Bill Clinton, the housing market collapsed. And then the left blames the "free market" for their oppresive regulations that eliminated the free market. The irony is so thick, you could cut it with a knife.

 

[P@triot]

I drive around and look to see what infrastructure we need that we don't have.

I can't see any.

What is it that you would spend money on.

Right now, my city is busy tearing up good roads and resurfacing them so they can spend all their budgeted dollars. What a racket.

The best thing we could do would be to spend the money on severance for all the government people who need to be let go (and their departments shut down) so small business can more easily get started.

Swear to God - we have the EXACT SAME THING where I live. My wife and I keep saying how they are tearing up all of these roads in phenomenal condition just to turn around and "rebuild" them. Any wonder we're $16 trillion in debt when this is being done with federal money (and should NOT be under ANY circumstances)?

The left (and especially Obama) simply can't accept reality. The numbers don't lie, so they just ignore them...

 

[P@triot]

You didn't get there on your own is supposed to impose the idea that business owners accepted welfare. Welfare in the form of infrastructure. Having accepted welfare, they should not now claim they did it on their own.

To the democrats even a government contract, in which the government becomes a customer is a form of welfare.

But even that doesn't hold up, because the business owners PAID for that stuff in the form of taxes. The highest corporate taxes in the WORLD.

Yup. Or perhaps President Obama thinks that all that infrastructure magically appeared as a benevolent act of the great God government which allowed somebody to then build a business. Does he think there would be ANY infrastructure anywhere if there were not people starting businesses, hiring people, and fueling an economy?

Maybe he thinks government doesn't need us at all? You just set up a government, print up some money, and run a country?

I seriously doubt we will be able to over come the disaster that is the Obama Administration. Since taking office, he's had the printing presses spitting out dollar bills around the clock to artificially prop up an economy he destroyed. But that's inflated the dollar to the point where it is damn near worthless. Unless the next administration pulls all of those trillions back out of the economy, shreds those fake dollars, and then starts paying off the debt by cutting entitlements hard & deep (which isn't going to happen because of politics), then we will have a Greece-like collapse in the not too distant future...