A VERY VERY VERY good question!!!

[Esmeralda]

Fair question if more than a little misleading. Nuns volunteer to submit themselves to God. But not every Godly woman has to. Every Muslim women has to whether clergy or not. Hence the oppression. See this illustarted best during every on-air news item coming from a Muslim country with a female journalist wearing a head cover. Even if not Muslim, it's often the law of the land. Thus oppression.

No, this is not true. Not every Muslim woman is required to cover. This is patently not true. It is a cultural issue. It depends on the culture and even then on the family and the woman's own personal ideas. Covering is not manadatory for all Muslims. You are incorrect. You are basing your opinion on a stereotype. And it is NOT often the law of the land. In fact, the only country that requires women to cover who are not Muslims is Saudi Arabia, which, in fact, is the only country that practices full sharia law. And, Saudi is a very small country and contains a microspcopic number of Muslims compared to the 1.6 billion on the planet.

You people are so very, very incorrect about this issue. Why do you choose to believe something that is completely false? I have spent 7 years living in countries that are 90+ percent Muslim and have never covered once, not even covered my head. Never.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Fair question if more than a little misleading. Nuns volunteer to submit themselves to God. But not every Godly woman has to. Every Muslim women has to whether clergy or not. Hence the oppression. See this illustarted best during every on-air news item coming from a Muslim country with a female journalist wearing a head cover. Even if not Muslim, it's often the law of the land. Thus oppression.

No, this is not true. Not every Muslim woman is required to cover. This is patently not true. It is a cultural issue. It depends on the culture and even then on the family and the woman's own personal ideas. Covering is not manadatory for all Muslims. You are incorrect. You are basing your opinion on a stereotype. And it is NOT often the law of the land. In fact, the only country that requires women to cover who are not Muslims is Saudi Arabia, which, in fact, is the only country that practices full sharia law. You people are so very,very incorrect about this issue. Why do you choose to believe something that is completely false. I have spent 7 years living in countries that are 90+ percent Muslim and have never covered once, not even covered my head. Never.

Prompted by this I looked it up and you're correct. I sit corrected.

Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

Very lengthy but discusses at length hijab and corruptions of the word by modern Muslims vs what Qur'an actually says about it.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Thus (corrected form) countries ruled by modern revisionists of Islam oppress women forcing non-Islamic dress codes.

 

[Esmeralda]

Fair question if more than a little misleading. Nuns volunteer to submit themselves to God. But not every Godly woman has to. Every Muslim women has to whether clergy or not. Hence the oppression. See this illustarted best during every on-air news item coming from a Muslim country with a female journalist wearing a head cover. Even if not Muslim, it's often the law of the land. Thus oppression.

No, this is not true. Not every Muslim woman is required to cover. This is patently not true. It is a cultural issue. It depends on the culture and even then on the family and the woman's own personal ideas. Covering is not manadatory for all Muslims. You are incorrect. You are basing your opinion on a stereotype. And it is NOT often the law of the land. In fact, the only country that requires women to cover who are not Muslims is Saudi Arabia, which, in fact, is the only country that practices full sharia law. You people are so very,very incorrect about this issue. Why do you choose to believe something that is completely false. I have spent 7 years living in countries that are 90+ percent Muslim and have never covered once, not even covered my head. Never.

Prompted by this I looked it up and you're correct. I sit corrected.

Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

Very lengthy but discusses at length hijab and corruptions of the word by modern Muslims vs what Qur'an actually says about it.

I posted that site earlier in the thread. Apparently no one looked it up.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Fair question if more than a little misleading. Nuns volunteer to submit themselves to God. But not every Godly woman has to. Every Muslim women has to whether clergy or not. Hence the oppression. See this illustarted best during every on-air news item coming from a Muslim country with a female journalist wearing a head cover. Even if not Muslim, it's often the law of the land. Thus oppression.

No, this is not true. Not every Muslim woman is required to cover. This is patently not true. It is a cultural issue. It depends on the culture and even then on the family and the woman's own personal ideas. Covering is not manadatory for all Muslims. You are incorrect. You are basing your opinion on a stereotype. And it is NOT often the law of the land. In fact, the only country that requires women to cover who are not Muslims is Saudi Arabia, which, in fact, is the only country that practices full sharia law. You people are so very,very incorrect about this issue. Why do you choose to believe something that is completely false. I have spent 7 years living in countries that are 90+ percent Muslim and have never covered once, not even covered my head. Never.

Prompted by this I looked it up and you're correct. I sit corrected.

Quran-Islam.org - True Islam

Very lengthy but discusses at length hijab and corruptions of the word by modern Muslims vs what Qur'an actually says about it.

I posted that site earlier in the thread. Apparently no one looked it up.

Nothing personal, usually just read the Op then reply.

 

[Esmeralda]

Thus (corrected form) countries ruled by modern revisionists of Islam oppress women forcing non-Islamic dress codes.

Well, sort of. There are very few countries ruled by such people. Women being forced to cover is an issue that varies from country to country and isn't necessarily a legal issue within the country: again, it is a personal choice of the woman and her family. End of.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Stop calling those freaks conservatives. There's nothing conservative about them and it's a cheap shot on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself, have you no dignity?

I know these people, you don't.

So in Pakistan tribal area, In Afghanistan Tribal area In ISIS controlled territory, In Saudi Arabia and else where women are NOT forced to wear Burka's according to you? What world do you live in? It sure isn't this one.

 

[Taz]

Nuns are completely and unquestionably oppressed.

 

[Esmeralda]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Stop calling those freaks conservatives. There's nothing conservative about them and it's a cheap shot on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself, have you no dignity?

I know these people, you don't.

So in Pakistan tribal area, In Afghanistan Tribal area In ISIS controlled territory, In Saudi Arabia and else where women are NOT forced to wear Burka's according to you? What world do you live in? It sure isn't this one.

This is not what I said. You choose to be ignorant.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Thus (corrected form) countries ruled by modern revisionists of Islam oppress women forcing non-Islamic dress codes.

Well, sort of. There are very few countries ruled by such people. Women being forced to cover is an issue that varies from country to country and isn't necessarily a legal issue within the country: again, it is a personal choice of the woman and her family. End of.

Afganistan under the Taliban and KSA if not mistaken. Not Iran interestingly.

Hijab by country - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

And,

"Following the takeover of the Gaza Strip in June 2007, Hamas has attempted to implement Islamic law in the Gaza Strip, mainly at schools, institutions and courts by imposing the Islamic dress or Hijab on women.[83]

Some of the Islamization efforts met resistance. When Palestinian Supreme Court Justice Abdel Raouf Al-Halabi ordered women lawyers to wear headscarves and caftans in court, attorneys contacted satellite television stations including Al-Arabiya to protest, causing Hamas’s Justice Ministry to cancel the directive."

Resistance implies oppression by the by.

 

[Esmeralda]

Muslims are all over the world, not just in the ME. In fact, the ME represents a small minority of the overall Muslim population. You people seem to want to believe something that isn't true because it supports what you want to believe. The Taliban, ISIS, Saudi, etc. are a small minority of the Muslim community. You only know what you see on the news. You do not know the reality of the overall Muslim world. And even in the ME, most countries do not require women to cover: it is a personal choice for the most part.

 

[irosie91]

Muslim are all over the world, not just in the ME. In fact, the ME represents a small minority of the overall Muslim population. You people seem to want to believe something that isn't true because it supports what you want to believe. The Taliban, ISIS, Saudi, etc. are a small minority of the Muslim community. You only know what you see on the news. You do not know the reality of the overall Muslim world. And even in the ME, most countries do not require women to cover: it is a personal choice for the most part.

gee----REALLY???? you seem to assume that you
know a LOT MORE than most people. -----you are wrong ------In fact, you are really an idiot....

Now----tell whomever it is you call "you" what YOU
know that "you" "wants to believe"-----then tell us
<giggle> what YOU 'know'

 

[PratchettFan]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

In this country women are forced to wear clothing to hide their breasts. Men are not. Failure to comply ends in arrest.

 

[Mojo2]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

This is a subject we'd all be more than happy to remain ignorant of altogether.

The idea behind your wanting to share this info with us suggests how important this step in the process of Islamifying America must be to you as well as to the Muslim Brotherhood leaders in America and abroad. Acceptance of Muslims by American non-Muslims is an important step in the process and it will benefit Muslims greatly.

Us, not so much.

I see it as islam's attempt at conditioning us to accept larger numbers of you in this country in the future.

As Muslims have stated, and demonstrated, they intend to raise the flag of Islam over the White House some day. So, I don't feel the least bit inclined to facilitate your religion's attempt to undermine my nation's government or take away my freedoms.

Nothing personal but I'd make it as unpleasant and difficult as possible for Muslims in America in order to keep their numbers from reaching critical mass when the typical Muslim disruptions such as, protests, making demands of government for special treatment and social upheavals begin.

Maybe they will try Canada instead.

This post represents a terrific amount of ignorance. And you seem to revel in that ignorance. Only a tiny, miniscule number of the 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet are extremists. And, though I am American, I do not live there and have no interest one way or the other about your unfounded fear of Muslims and Islam. Muslims are not taking over America: they represent about 2% of the population. You are hysterical.

"This post represents a terrific amount of ignorance. And you seem to revel in that ignorance. Only a tiny, miniscule number of the 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet are extremists. And, though I am American, I do not live there and have no interest one way or the other about your unfounded fear of Muslims and Islam. Muslims are not taking over America: they represent about 2% of the population. You are hysterical."

Oh, so you mean to tell us that Allah DOESN'T order Muslims to conquer the Earth including America???


Sura 9:33

Since this verse repeats the other two, we need use only one translation:

9:33 It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth, to make it superior over all religions, though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, parenthetical notes are theirs)

You are a hypocrite.

A liar.

Or an ignoramus.

 

[Mojo2]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Bitch, stop calling those freaks conservatives. There's nothing conservative about them and it's a cheap shot on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself, have you no dignity?

I know these people, you don't.

Oh brother, more I have a friend who is a Muslim. To listen to you you're the only one who ever met a Muslim. You're anecdotal experiences are not really evidence of anything outside you're closed world view. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you found good, but give it a rest already.

So you have lived in 3 different Muslim countries and lived and worked with Muslim people for 7 years? You have 'a friend' who is a Muslim. Yep, I see how you are as qualified as I am to discuss this issue.

Yes, he is MORE honest and forthcoming.

You?

- Ignoramus. Hypocrite. Liar.

- LESS honest and forthcoming.

See how easy that was?

 

[Mojo2]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

This is a subject we'd all be more than happy to remain ignorant of altogether.

The idea behind your wanting to share this info with us suggests how important this step in the process of Islamifying America must be to you as well as to the Muslim Brotherhood leaders in America and abroad. Acceptance of Muslims by American non-Muslims is an important step in the process and it will benefit Muslims greatly.

Us, not so much.

I see it as islam's attempt at conditioning us to accept larger numbers of you in this country in the future.

As Muslims have stated, and demonstrated, they intend to raise the flag of Islam over the White House some day. So, I don't feel the least bit inclined to facilitate your religion's attempt to undermine my nation's government or take away my freedoms.

Nothing personal but I'd make it as unpleasant and difficult as possible for Muslims in America in order to keep their numbers from reaching critical mass when the typical Muslim disruptions such as, protests, making demands of government for special treatment and social upheavals begin.

Maybe they will try Canada instead.

This post represents a terrific amount of ignorance. And you seem to revel in that ignorance. Only a tiny, miniscule number of the 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet are extremists. And, though I am American, I do not live there and have no interest one way or the other about your unfounded fear of Muslims and Islam. Muslims are not taking over America: they represent about 2% of the population. You are hysterical.

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Bitch, stop calling those freaks conservatives. There's nothing conservative about them and it's a cheap shot on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself, have you no dignity?

I know these people, you don't.

Oh brother, more I have a friend who is a Muslim. To listen to you you're the only one who ever met a Muslim. You're anecdotal experiences are not really evidence of anything outside you're closed world view. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you found good, but give it a rest already.

So you have lived in 3 different Muslim countries and lived and worked with Muslim people for 7 years? You have 'a friend' who is a Muslim. Yep, I see how you are as qualified as I am to discuss this issue.

Actually, I can't see where your experience has done all that much for your intellect. You are regularly corrected on things you say your experience has made you knowledgeable about.

You couldn't prove it by what you post.

 

[S.J.]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

This is a subject we'd all be more than happy to remain ignorant of altogether.

The idea behind your wanting to share this info with us suggests how important this step in the process of Islamifying America must be to you as well as to the Muslim Brotherhood leaders in America and abroad. Acceptance of Muslims by American non-Muslims is an important step in the process and it will benefit Muslims greatly.

Us, not so much.

I see it as islam's attempt at conditioning us to accept larger numbers of you in this country in the future.

As Muslims have stated, and demonstrated, they intend to raise the flag of Islam over the White House some day. So, I don't feel the least bit inclined to facilitate your religion's attempt to undermine my nation's government or take away my freedoms.

Nothing personal but I'd make it as unpleasant and difficult as possible for Muslims in America in order to keep their numbers from reaching critical mass when the typical Muslim disruptions such as, protests, making demands of government for special treatment and social upheavals begin.

Maybe they will try Canada instead.

This post represents a terrific amount of ignorance. And you seem to revel in that ignorance. Only a tiny, miniscule number of the 1.6 billion Muslims on this planet are extremists. And, though I am American, I do not live there and have no interest one way or the other about your unfounded fear of Muslims and Islam. Muslims are not taking over America: they represent about 2% of the population. You are hysterical.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Bitch, stop calling those freaks conservatives. There's nothing conservative about them and it's a cheap shot on your part. You should be ashamed of yourself, have you no dignity?

I know these people, you don't.

Oh brother, more I have a friend who is a Muslim. To listen to you you're the only one who ever met a Muslim. You're anecdotal experiences are not really evidence of anything outside you're closed world view. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you found good, but give it a rest already.

So you have lived in 3 different Muslim countries and lived and worked with Muslim people for 7 years? You have 'a friend' who is a Muslim. Yep, I see how you are as qualified as I am to discuss this issue.

Actually, I can't see where your experience has done all that much for your intellect. You are regularly corrected on things you say your experience has made you knowledgeable about.

You couldn't prove it by what you post.

She thinks she's an expert on everything but doesn't know shit about anything.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I Know! Pick me. Pick me!!!
The clothes of the one on the left hides a rosary. The clothes of the one on the right hides shop lifted stuff and bombs.

Why do self-described christians tell such ridiculous lies like this?

Every time I think I'll read this forum, I see hate-filled lies like this one.

Christians. BLECH.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

Thank you for trying to inject some sanity to the racist comments here.

Not that any of them are interested in facts ...

 

[Penelope]

A Nun chooses to become a Nun. A Nun chooses to wear a habit. It is all free will. In Islamic Countries and cultures women are FORCED to wear body coverings, not by choice but by order. Failure to comply ends in beatings murder and arrest or rape.

By far, women are not "forced" to cover. It depends on the family and how conservative they are. They are not beaten into submission, not murdered or arrested or raped if they don't cover. It all has to do with specific cultures and then, within that culture, how fundamental and conservative the family is. You are very ignorant about this issue.

In addition, I have spoken to many Muslim young women who are still in school, but when they graduate and look forward to adult life, are eager to adopt a traditional dress for their culture: to cover, essentially. They want to cover and look forward to covering. Others have different ideas. It is their choice, it has to do with themselves and the conservativism of their families.

This is a subject we'd all be more than happy to remain ignorant of altogether.

The idea behind your wanting to share this info with us suggests how important this step in the process of Islamifying America must be to you as well as to the Muslim Brotherhood leaders in America and abroad. Acceptance of Muslims by American non-Muslims is an important step in the process and it will benefit Muslims greatly.

Us, not so much.

I see it as islam's attempt at conditioning us to accept larger numbers of you in this country in the future.

As Muslims have stated, and demonstrated, they intend to raise the flag of Islam over the White House some day. So, I don't feel the least bit inclined to facilitate your religion's attempt to undermine my nation's government or take away my freedoms.

Nothing personal but I'd make it as unpleasant and difficult as possible for Muslims in America in order to keep their numbers from reaching critical mass when the typical Muslim disruptions such as, protests, making demands of government for special treatment and social upheavals begin.

Maybe they will try Canada instead.

Have you lived in Muslim countries?