AGW and Model Failures- An Engineers Point of View....

[IanC]

Just out of curiosity- Old Rocks did you read either of Engineer in Langley's two articles on CO2 and the climate system?

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just out of curiosity- Old Rocks did you read either of Engineer in Langley's two articles on CO2 and the climate system?

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

 

[IanC]

Just out of curiosity- Old Rocks did you read either of Engineer in Langley's two articles on CO2 and the climate system?

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just out of curiosity- Old Rocks did you read either of Engineer in Langley's two articles on CO2 and the climate system?

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

 

[jc456]

So, JC, why the continued lying? Many experiments done, the first in 1858 by Tyndall that show that CO2 is a potent GHG. But, really, it is not about the fact that we are screwing up the atmosphere, creating a problem for ourselves with a rapid warming that is totally outside our experiance. The problem is that the very rich bastards may have to lose a few dollars because they can no longer ruin the land and pollute the air, land, and water, gaining their riches.

You poor crackers haven't a pot to piss in, but you are going to lie and do whatever you can to protect their riches, to the detriment of your own childrens future.

so you can't. thanks! I really knew you didn't. You have NOTHING!!!!

 

[IanC]

Just out of curiosity- Old Rocks did you read either of Engineer in Langley's two articles on CO2 and the climate system?

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

 

[jc456]

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

we let them I supposed!when you can't stop the stupid from evolving, you end up with the USSR model.

 

[mamooth]

Check it out. The Stalinist deniers, who demand climate scientists be imprisoned, are actually whining that laughing at WUWT conspiracy kook rants is just like the USSR did. By those standards, all of the world is like the USSR, because the world laughs at flat-eathers and other assorted cranks.

Most of the deniers here want climate scientists imprisoned, for the crime of doing science which is inconvenient to DerParteiRepublikkan. That is, they want scientists sent to a gulag for political crimes.

In contrast, nobody here on the rational side has called for any leading deniers to be imprisoned.

Deniers, we are not like you. You're Stalinists. We're not.

If any denier denies being a Stalinist, they can prove their claim easily enough. Simply publicly condemn the denier policy of calling for jail time for Dr. Mann and other climate scientists. If you won't disavow such Stalinist tactics, it indicates your approval of those tactics, making you a Stalinist.

 

[jc456]

Check it out. The Stalinist deniers, who demand climate scientists be imprisoned, are doing their projection trick again.

Most of the deniers here want climate scientists imprisoned, for the crime of doing science which is inconvenient to DerParteiRepublikkan. That is, they want scientists sent to a gulag for political crimes.

In contrast, nobody here on the rational side has called for any leading deniers to be imprisoned.

Deniers, we are not like you. You're Stalinists. We're not.

If any denier denies being a Stalinist, they can prove their claim easily enough. Simply publicly condemn the denier policy of calling for jail time for Dr. Mann and other climate scientists. If you won't disavow such Stalinist tactics, it indicates your approval of those tactics, making you a Stalinist.

what exactly are you, the denier, going to do?

 

[Old Rocks]

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

People like you rejected real science in favor of politics. Lysenkoism. Accuse, and want to imprison anyone that does real science. You assholes have gone so far as to have one of your dogs attempt to have Mann indicted.

The present 'Conservative' push against science in nearly every sphere is very similiar to the McCarthyism that was going on when I was a young boy. And it will be remembered a generation from now with the same contempt.

 

[IanC]

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

People like you rejected real science in favor of politics. Lysenkoism. Accuse, and want to imprison anyone that does real science. You assholes have gone so far as to have one of your dogs attempt to have Mann indicted.

The present 'Conservative' push against science in nearly every sphere is very similiar to the McCarthyism that was going on when I was a young boy. And it will be remembered a generation from now with the same contempt.

Taking a page from Ayer's playbook? Accusing us of what you are doing?

 

[mamooth]

what exactly are you, the denier, going to do?

The rational people will keep pointing out how you're a proud Stalinist.

I noticed, of course, you didn't deny your desire to have climate scientists jailed.

Sucks to be you. You get kicked out of your cult if you don't endorse Stalinist tactics. Since nothing is more important to you than your cult, you choose to embrace the Stalinism. That leads to your cult being ostracized by all decent people, which makes your cult get crazier and more Stalinist. And the cycle continues, over and over. We're watching it happen now, the progressive disintegration of denier morality and sanity.

 

[Crick]

Current modeling only includes POSITIVE FEEDBACKS. This is why they fail every time. There must be negative feedback for any oscillation to be stable. Since these idiots dont believe in negative feedbacks their models runaway...

That is complete and utter nonsense. Let's see some evidence supporting that claim Billy Bob. Prove for us that NO GCM takes albedo from cloud cover, mineral dust, sulfate and nitrate aerosols or land use changes into account. Prove for us that NO GCM includes terms for Le Chatelier shifts in the carbon cycle, for weathering effects, for increase agricultural productivity, for negative lapse rate feedback or increased blackbody radiation.

Still waiting

 

[Crick]

Atmospheric CO2 has half life of just 7 years.

Prove it

Recent studies show the C13 molecule dating to be flawed by a factor of over 100.

Let's see them.

The last 18 years 3 months have see no warming on earth. Yet the CO2 rise continues unabated. There IS no corresponding rise of temp.

Show us that the oceans have not warmed for the last 18 years and 3 months.

Prior to this pause natural variation is responsible for 100% of all warming by empirical evidence.

What empirical evidence?

 

[jc456]

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

People like you rejected real science in favor of politics. Lysenkoism. Accuse, and want to imprison anyone that does real science. You assholes have gone so far as to have one of your dogs attempt to have Mann indicted.

The present 'Conservative' push against science in nearly every sphere is very similiar to the McCarthyism that was going on when I was a young boy. And it will be remembered a generation from now with the same contempt.

dude, all we've ever asked you for was the lab work. Why don't you present that and stop with the cry baby posts?

 

[jc456]

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

People like you rejected real science in favor of politics. Lysenkoism. Accuse, and want to imprison anyone that does real science. You assholes have gone so far as to have one of your dogs attempt to have Mann indicted.

The present 'Conservative' push against science in nearly every sphere is very similiar to the McCarthyism that was going on when I was a young boy. And it will be remembered a generation from now with the same contempt.

Taking a page from Ayer's playbook? Accusing us of what you are doing?

playing tag!!!!

 

[jc456]

what exactly are you, the denier, going to do?

The rational people will keep pointing out how you're a proud Stalinist.

I noticed, of course, you didn't deny your desire to have climate scientists jailed.

Sucks to be you. You get kicked out of your cult if you don't endorse Stalinist tactics. Since nothing is more important to you than your cult, you choose to embrace the Stalinism. That leads to your cult being ostracized by all decent people, which makes your cult get crazier and more Stalinist. And the cycle continues, over and over. We're watching it happen now, the progressive disintegration of denier morality and sanity.

dude/dudette, stop playing tag and say something of importance!!!

 

[jc456]

Current modeling only includes POSITIVE FEEDBACKS. This is why they fail every time. There must be negative feedback for any oscillation to be stable. Since these idiots dont believe in negative feedbacks their models runaway...

That is complete and utter nonsense. Let's see some evidence supporting that claim Billy Bob. Prove for us that NO GCM takes albedo from cloud cover, mineral dust, sulfate and nitrate aerosols or land use changes into account. Prove for us that NO GCM includes terms for Le Chatelier shifts in the carbon cycle, for weathering effects, for increase agricultural productivity, for negative lapse rate feedback or increased blackbody radiation.

Still waiting

and we're still waiting for the lab work!!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Published where, Ian? In WUWT, in that case, no, and will not. Don't have time for National Enquirer level science.

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

They took us over in increments. Have to congratulate them on it too.

After Reagan beat the USSR they went all-in and took over the Democrat Party

 

[jc456]

As you wish then. Just don't declare the idea wrong if you don't even know what it is.

The idea is the important thing, not which part of the media finds it and gives it publicity.

Rocks isn't allowed to review material not previously approved by the Cult

Yup. Old Rocks doesn't want to get tainted by any ideas that might add uncertainty to his point of view.

Sounds like how the old USSR operated, didactic materials were forbidden lest they taint the brainwashed

We used to scoff at the USSR. How did we become them?

They took us over in increments. Have to congratulate them on it too.

After Reagan beat the USSR they went all-in and took over the Democrat Party

anyone got that youtube moment from howard Dean? What impressive public speaking it was. Or maybe, Teddy Kennedy's rage bit? You know all of those real Americans who knew all when this all started.

Here's.......Howie

This one video is my evidence about how angry these fools get when beaten. It's be....autiful

And here's Teddy... Thank you youtube for the videos.