Are Whites Ashamed...

[depotoo]

You just stated whites had a 300 year head start. Which is it? Blacks succeeded or didn’t because you say they were stymied by whites. I would imagine the firsts Blacks in Congress would argue with you.
The first seven blacks elected to Congress were all Republicans. Starting in 1822
First Blacks in Congress - Last Days Watchman
So would this gentleman

1700s
Benjamin Banneker

Astronomer, clockmaker, publisher

1731-1806
Made the calculations to predict solar and lunar eclipses and to compile an ephemeris for the Benjamin Banneker`s Almanac.

Harriet Wilson
Novelist
1825-1900

First African American of either gender to publish a novel on the North American continent.

William H. Carney
Civil War hero
1842-1908

Sgt. Carney was the first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Elijah McCoy
Inventor
1844-1929

Invented an automatic lubricator for oiling the steam engines of locomotives, boats, etc.

Frederick Douglass
(1818-1895)

A former slave, Douglass became a leading figurehead in the anti-slavery movement. One of the most prominent African American leaders of the Nineteenth Century. His autobiography of life as a slave, and his speeches denouncing slavery – were influential in changing public opinion

Booker T. Washington
(1856 – 1915)

Author and orator, Washington was an adviser to the presidents of Roosevelt (R) and Taft (R). During the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, he was often considered the de facto leader of African-Americans. He advocated an incremental approach to improving education and life prospects of black Americans.

1821Edit

• First African American to hold a patent: Thomas L. Jennings, for a dry-cleaning process[13]
• 1827
• First African American to receive a degree from an American college: Alexander Twilight, Middlebury College[15] (See also: 1836)

Harriett Tubman, another example.

Was their horrific treatment of Blacks in our history? Yes.
These gentlemen and women made it despite any hardships in their way. So to claim that for 300 years Blacks have been held back, is just wrong. One is only held back by his own prejudices. They made it by refusing to let anything stand in their way. They either fought for change to make it better for their ancestors, or chose to move on from the past and take advantage of what God had given them, even if struggle still existed. And they made it.

You constantly claim that Whites are responsible for all your woes. No, it is your own prejudices and resentments that will not let go, which dwells in the past, that holds you, or anyone of any color back, whether they came from poverty, from unfair treatment, abuse, or anything else. You forget the Irish were treated as second class citizens at one time, as well. You forget Blacks also sold Whites and Blacks as slaves to America.
Woe is me is a sure fire way to failure, in everything.

You fail to remember those whites that fought for equal treatment of Blacks. Others also fought through action for women’s rights. If I held on to the fact my female ancestors were once considered lesser because they were female, I would indeed be miserable. Instead I choose to honor those that helped to make us equal, instead, and live with the fact today I can be and do anything a man can do.

No one today is alive that had anything to do with the slavery of the past. Celebrate those that helped bring about change, recognize whites were involved in that change.
And move on in the knowledge you can today, because of the changes in the past.

Are there no prejudices today? Yes, but it is the exception rather than the norm, fortunately. Unfortunately, your own prejudice only helps to stymie growth of others you influence around you, away from even less prejudices. Yet you fail to recognize that.

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

I would imagine a number your ancestors would be pretty flummoxed to hear you saying they couldn’t succeed back then, since they did.

I'm not white. I'm Black. We succeeded in spite of legislation designed to make up for the inferior work ethic of whites. Imagine if there had been a level field? I'm just asking doesnt it make you angry your ancestors needed that help and for more than 2 centuries?

 

[Asclepias]

You just stated whites had a 300 year head start. Which is it? Blacks succeeded or didn’t because you say they were stymied by whites. I would imagine the firsts Blacks in Congress would argue with you.
The first seven blacks elected to Congress were all Republicans. Starting in 1822
First Blacks in Congress - Last Days Watchman
So would this gentleman

1700s
Benjamin Banneker

Astronomer, clockmaker, publisher

1731-1806
Made the calculations to predict solar and lunar eclipses and to compile an ephemeris for the Benjamin Banneker`s Almanac.

Harriet Wilson
Novelist
1825-1900

First African American of either gender to publish a novel on the North American continent.

William H. Carney
Civil War hero
1842-1908

Sgt. Carney was the first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Elijah McCoy
Inventor
1844-1929

Invented an automatic lubricator for oiling the steam engines of locomotives, boats, etc.

Frederick Douglass
(1818-1895)

A former slave, Douglass became a leading figurehead in the anti-slavery movement. One of the most prominent African American leaders of the Nineteenth Century. His autobiography of life as a slave, and his speeches denouncing slavery – were influential in changing public opinion

Booker T. Washington
(1856 – 1915)

Author and orator, Washington was an adviser to the presidents of Roosevelt (R) and Taft (R). During the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, he was often considered the de facto leader of African-Americans. He advocated an incremental approach to improving education and life prospects of black Americans.

1821Edit

• First African American to hold a patent: Thomas L. Jennings, for a dry-cleaning process[13]
• 1827
• First African American to receive a degree from an American college: Alexander Twilight, Middlebury College[15] (See also: 1836)

Harriett Tubman, another example.

Was their horrific treatment of Blacks in our history? Yes.
These gentlemen and women made it despite any hardships in their way. So to claim that for 300 years Blacks have been held back, is just wrong. One is only held back by his own prejudices. They made it by refusing to let anything stand in their way. They either fought for change to make it better for their ancestors, or chose to move on from the past and take advantage of what God had given them, even if struggle still existed. And they made it.

You constantly claim that Whites are responsible for all your woes. No, it is your own prejudices and resentments that will not let go, which dwells in the past, that holds you, or anyone of any color back, whether they came from poverty, from unfair treatment, abuse, or anything else. You forget the Irish were treated as second class citizens at one time, as well. You forget Blacks also sold Whites and Blacks as slaves to America.
Woe is me is a sure fire way to failure, in everything.

You fail to remember those whites that fought for equal treatment of Blacks. Others also fought through action for women’s rights. If I held on to the fact my female ancestors were once considered lesser because they were female, I would indeed be miserable. Instead I choose to honor those that helped to make us equal, instead, and live with the fact today I can be and do anything a man can do.

No one today is alive that had anything to do with the slavery of the past. Celebrate those that helped bring about change, recognize whites were involved in that change.
And move on in the knowledge you can today, because of the changes in the past.

Are there no prejudices today? Yes, but it is the exception rather than the norm, fortunately. Unfortunately, your own prejudice only helps to stymie growth of others you influence around you, away from even less prejudices. Yet you fail to recognize that.

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

I would imagine a number your ancestors would be pretty flummoxed to hear you saying they couldn’t succeed back then, since they did.

I'm not white. I'm Black. We succeeded in spite of legislation designed to make up for the inferior work ethic of whites. Imagine if there had been a level field? I'm just asking doesnt it make you angry your ancestors needed that help and for more than 2 centuries?

I think you missed the part where these Black men would tell you themselves they did this despite white racism.

 

[depotoo]

No, you seemed to have missed it. You also seem to miss not all whites were racists.

You just stated whites had a 300 year head start. Which is it? Blacks succeeded or didn’t because you say they were stymied by whites. I would imagine the firsts Blacks in Congress would argue with you.
The first seven blacks elected to Congress were all Republicans. Starting in 1822
First Blacks in Congress - Last Days Watchman
So would this gentleman

1700s
Benjamin Banneker

Astronomer, clockmaker, publisher

1731-1806
Made the calculations to predict solar and lunar eclipses and to compile an ephemeris for the Benjamin Banneker`s Almanac.

Harriet Wilson
Novelist
1825-1900

First African American of either gender to publish a novel on the North American continent.

William H. Carney
Civil War hero
1842-1908

Sgt. Carney was the first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Elijah McCoy
Inventor
1844-1929

Invented an automatic lubricator for oiling the steam engines of locomotives, boats, etc.

Frederick Douglass
(1818-1895)

A former slave, Douglass became a leading figurehead in the anti-slavery movement. One of the most prominent African American leaders of the Nineteenth Century. His autobiography of life as a slave, and his speeches denouncing slavery – were influential in changing public opinion

Booker T. Washington
(1856 – 1915)

Author and orator, Washington was an adviser to the presidents of Roosevelt (R) and Taft (R). During the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, he was often considered the de facto leader of African-Americans. He advocated an incremental approach to improving education and life prospects of black Americans.

1821Edit

• First African American to hold a patent: Thomas L. Jennings, for a dry-cleaning process[13]
• 1827
• First African American to receive a degree from an American college: Alexander Twilight, Middlebury College[15] (See also: 1836)

Harriett Tubman, another example.

Was their horrific treatment of Blacks in our history? Yes.
These gentlemen and women made it despite any hardships in their way. So to claim that for 300 years Blacks have been held back, is just wrong. One is only held back by his own prejudices. They made it by refusing to let anything stand in their way. They either fought for change to make it better for their ancestors, or chose to move on from the past and take advantage of what God had given them, even if struggle still existed. And they made it.

You constantly claim that Whites are responsible for all your woes. No, it is your own prejudices and resentments that will not let go, which dwells in the past, that holds you, or anyone of any color back, whether they came from poverty, from unfair treatment, abuse, or anything else. You forget the Irish were treated as second class citizens at one time, as well. You forget Blacks also sold Whites and Blacks as slaves to America.
Woe is me is a sure fire way to failure, in everything.

You fail to remember those whites that fought for equal treatment of Blacks. Others also fought through action for women’s rights. If I held on to the fact my female ancestors were once considered lesser because they were female, I would indeed be miserable. Instead I choose to honor those that helped to make us equal, instead, and live with the fact today I can be and do anything a man can do.

No one today is alive that had anything to do with the slavery of the past. Celebrate those that helped bring about change, recognize whites were involved in that change.
And move on in the knowledge you can today, because of the changes in the past.

Are there no prejudices today? Yes, but it is the exception rather than the norm, fortunately. Unfortunately, your own prejudice only helps to stymie growth of others you influence around you, away from even less prejudices. Yet you fail to recognize that.

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

I would imagine a number your ancestors would be pretty flummoxed to hear you saying they couldn’t succeed back then, since they did.

I'm not white. I'm Black. We succeeded in spite of legislation designed to make up for the inferior work ethic of whites. Imagine if there had been a level field? I'm just asking doesnt it make you angry your ancestors needed that help and for more than 2 centuries?

I think you missed the part where these Black men would tell you themselves they did this despite white racism.

 

[Asclepias]

No, you seemed to have missed it. You also seem to miss not all whites were racists.

You just stated whites had a 300 year head start. Which is it? Blacks succeeded or didn’t because you say they were stymied by whites. I would imagine the firsts Blacks in Congress would argue with you.
The first seven blacks elected to Congress were all Republicans. Starting in 1822
First Blacks in Congress - Last Days Watchman
So would this gentleman

1700s
Benjamin Banneker

Astronomer, clockmaker, publisher

1731-1806
Made the calculations to predict solar and lunar eclipses and to compile an ephemeris for the Benjamin Banneker`s Almanac.

Harriet Wilson
Novelist
1825-1900

First African American of either gender to publish a novel on the North American continent.

William H. Carney
Civil War hero
1842-1908

Sgt. Carney was the first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Elijah McCoy
Inventor
1844-1929

Invented an automatic lubricator for oiling the steam engines of locomotives, boats, etc.

Frederick Douglass
(1818-1895)

A former slave, Douglass became a leading figurehead in the anti-slavery movement. One of the most prominent African American leaders of the Nineteenth Century. His autobiography of life as a slave, and his speeches denouncing slavery – were influential in changing public opinion

Booker T. Washington
(1856 – 1915)

Author and orator, Washington was an adviser to the presidents of Roosevelt (R) and Taft (R). During the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, he was often considered the de facto leader of African-Americans. He advocated an incremental approach to improving education and life prospects of black Americans.

1821Edit

• First African American to hold a patent: Thomas L. Jennings, for a dry-cleaning process[13]
• 1827
• First African American to receive a degree from an American college: Alexander Twilight, Middlebury College[15] (See also: 1836)

Harriett Tubman, another example.

Was their horrific treatment of Blacks in our history? Yes.
These gentlemen and women made it despite any hardships in their way. So to claim that for 300 years Blacks have been held back, is just wrong. One is only held back by his own prejudices. They made it by refusing to let anything stand in their way. They either fought for change to make it better for their ancestors, or chose to move on from the past and take advantage of what God had given them, even if struggle still existed. And they made it.

You constantly claim that Whites are responsible for all your woes. No, it is your own prejudices and resentments that will not let go, which dwells in the past, that holds you, or anyone of any color back, whether they came from poverty, from unfair treatment, abuse, or anything else. You forget the Irish were treated as second class citizens at one time, as well. You forget Blacks also sold Whites and Blacks as slaves to America.
Woe is me is a sure fire way to failure, in everything.

You fail to remember those whites that fought for equal treatment of Blacks. Others also fought through action for women’s rights. If I held on to the fact my female ancestors were once considered lesser because they were female, I would indeed be miserable. Instead I choose to honor those that helped to make us equal, instead, and live with the fact today I can be and do anything a man can do.

No one today is alive that had anything to do with the slavery of the past. Celebrate those that helped bring about change, recognize whites were involved in that change.
And move on in the knowledge you can today, because of the changes in the past.

Are there no prejudices today? Yes, but it is the exception rather than the norm, fortunately. Unfortunately, your own prejudice only helps to stymie growth of others you influence around you, away from even less prejudices. Yet you fail to recognize that.

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

I would imagine a number your ancestors would be pretty flummoxed to hear you saying they couldn’t succeed back then, since they did.

I'm not white. I'm Black. We succeeded in spite of legislation designed to make up for the inferior work ethic of whites. Imagine if there had been a level field? I'm just asking doesnt it make you angry your ancestors needed that help and for more than 2 centuries?

I think you missed the part where these Black men would tell you themselves they did this despite white racism.

No I havent missed it. You just discovered something I've known since a little kid.

 

[Yarddog]

Quoting a racist like LBJ doesnt mean it applies to everyone. not by a long shot. Thats a dumb ass quote by the way.

Trump got elected because people wanted a business man who they thought would probably be better at creating jobs... which theoretically should help everyone, white, black, latino.. VS Hillary who a lot of people see as a political insider waiting for her turn.

Its a true ass quote. Its a reflection of white philosophy and component of racism

Drumpf got elected because he appealed to the racist in every white person that voted for him. Now take a guess what demographic voted for him the most?

thats your opinion. If some racists voted for trump, that doesnt mean what you say about other white people. Why couldn't white people have voted for trump, for the same reason Asians did? or other black people or Hispanics? Looking at the color of voters is a very superficial observation of why someone voted, but you are entitled to that opinion

So you think the support for Drumpf from the KKK and Nazis was just some bizarre coincidence and you actually expect me to believe his rhetoric was not geared at racists?

Far Right groups like nazis and KKK were never going to vote for Hillary just like far left Communists and Anarchists are not likely to vote Republican. None of these groups represent normal every day people which make up most of the country. The Rhetoric was coming mostly from the News media trying to paint Trump as a racist no matter what he said. Example, he wanted to ban travel from SPECIFIC muslim countries and then the news media says he wanted to ban Muslims. Obama had previously labeled those same countries as sources of Terror. There you go . Trump hates muslims... racist! bull shit, its just politics because they wanted Hillary for president, and this isn't stopping from the left.

You forget Drumpf specifically targeted Muslims. Prior to ever running for office he took out full page ad against the Central Park 5 (Black people) who were fully exonerated. He was sued for not renting to Blacks. His rhetoric is supported by racists. No intelligent person is going to believe Drumpf is not racist.

Maybe TRump has shown some racists tendency, like the Renting issue. Can a person change as they get older though and take a wider view of things? The Dems seem to think so as they have no problem welcoming X- kkk grand dragons.... I have no doubt Trump is seriously flawed, but even so, It's my feeling eveyone including African Americans are going to fare much better under his presidency than what we would have had with Hillary. Face it we diddnt have much choice and I don't buy Hillary's altruism I believe most of what you see with her is an act, which makes her more of a dangerous character. Of course, thats just my opinion.

As for Trump targeting Muslims specifically, he proposed a 90 day travel ban from 7 countries and 120 days for refugees. Not unreasonable considering a new administration needs time to set up. Of course you can see how political opponents, politicized that. Most Muslims in the world dont live in those countries at all ... so no. It wasnt "Targeting" anyone. It was a president attempting to take measures to alleviate the job of the intel community for a temporary period of time, for the benefit of the country he is supposed to represent as president. Some people will never get that

 

[depotoo]

He had nothing to do with the renting thing. It happened before he took over the company, but settled after he took over. He has always fought for Blacks.

Its a true ass quote. Its a reflection of white philosophy and component of racism

Drumpf got elected because he appealed to the racist in every white person that voted for him. Now take a guess what demographic voted for him the most?

thats your opinion. If some racists voted for trump, that doesnt mean what you say about other white people. Why couldn't white people have voted for trump, for the same reason Asians did? or other black people or Hispanics? Looking at the color of voters is a very superficial observation of why someone voted, but you are entitled to that opinion

So you think the support for Drumpf from the KKK and Nazis was just some bizarre coincidence and you actually expect me to believe his rhetoric was not geared at racists?

Far Right groups like nazis and KKK were never going to vote for Hillary just like far left Communists and Anarchists are not likely to vote Republican. None of these groups represent normal every day people which make up most of the country. The Rhetoric was coming mostly from the News media trying to paint Trump as a racist no matter what he said. Example, he wanted to ban travel from SPECIFIC muslim countries and then the news media says he wanted to ban Muslims. Obama had previously labeled those same countries as sources of Terror. There you go . Trump hates muslims... racist! bull shit, its just politics because they wanted Hillary for president, and this isn't stopping from the left.

You forget Drumpf specifically targeted Muslims. Prior to ever running for office he took out full page ad against the Central Park 5 (Black people) who were fully exonerated. He was sued for not renting to Blacks. His rhetoric is supported by racists. No intelligent person is going to believe Drumpf is not racist.

Maybe TRump has shown some racists tendency, like the Renting issue. Can a person change as they get older though and take a wider view of things? The Dems seem to think so as they have no problem welcoming X- kkk grand dragons.... I have no doubt Trump is seriously flawed, but even so, It's my feeling eveyone including African Americans are going to fare much better under his presidency than what we would have had with Hillary. Face it we diddnt have much choice and I don't buy Hillary's altruism I believe most of what you see with her is an act, which makes her more of a dangerous character. Of course, thats just my opinion.

As for Trump targeting Muslims specifically, he proposed a 90 day travel ban from 7 countries and 120 days for refugees. Not unreasonable considering a new administration needs time to set up. Of course you can see how political opponents, politicized that. Most Muslims in the world dont live in those countries at all ... so no. It wasnt "Targeting" anyone. It was a president attempting to take measures to alleviate the job of the intel community for a temporary period of time, for the benefit of the country he is supposed to represent as president. Some people will never get that

 

[Yarddog]

He had nothing to do with the renting thing. It happened before he took over the company, but settled after he took over. He has always fought for Blacks.

thats your opinion. If some racists voted for trump, that doesnt mean what you say about other white people. Why couldn't white people have voted for trump, for the same reason Asians did? or other black people or Hispanics? Looking at the color of voters is a very superficial observation of why someone voted, but you are entitled to that opinion

So you think the support for Drumpf from the KKK and Nazis was just some bizarre coincidence and you actually expect me to believe his rhetoric was not geared at racists?

Far Right groups like nazis and KKK were never going to vote for Hillary just like far left Communists and Anarchists are not likely to vote Republican. None of these groups represent normal every day people which make up most of the country. The Rhetoric was coming mostly from the News media trying to paint Trump as a racist no matter what he said. Example, he wanted to ban travel from SPECIFIC muslim countries and then the news media says he wanted to ban Muslims. Obama had previously labeled those same countries as sources of Terror. There you go . Trump hates muslims... racist! bull shit, its just politics because they wanted Hillary for president, and this isn't stopping from the left.

You forget Drumpf specifically targeted Muslims. Prior to ever running for office he took out full page ad against the Central Park 5 (Black people) who were fully exonerated. He was sued for not renting to Blacks. His rhetoric is supported by racists. No intelligent person is going to believe Drumpf is not racist.

Maybe TRump has shown some racists tendency, like the Renting issue. Can a person change as they get older though and take a wider view of things? The Dems seem to think so as they have no problem welcoming X- kkk grand dragons.... I have no doubt Trump is seriously flawed, but even so, It's my feeling eveyone including African Americans are going to fare much better under his presidency than what we would have had with Hillary. Face it we diddnt have much choice and I don't buy Hillary's altruism I believe most of what you see with her is an act, which makes her more of a dangerous character. Of course, thats just my opinion.

As for Trump targeting Muslims specifically, he proposed a 90 day travel ban from 7 countries and 120 days for refugees. Not unreasonable considering a new administration needs time to set up. Of course you can see how political opponents, politicized that. Most Muslims in the world dont live in those countries at all ... so no. It wasnt "Targeting" anyone. It was a president attempting to take measures to alleviate the job of the intel community for a temporary period of time, for the benefit of the country he is supposed to represent as president. Some people will never get that

Really? You have any links to that?

 

[Asclepias]

He had nothing to do with the renting thing. It happened before he took over the company, but settled after he took over. He has always fought for Blacks.

thats your opinion. If some racists voted for trump, that doesnt mean what you say about other white people. Why couldn't white people have voted for trump, for the same reason Asians did? or other black people or Hispanics? Looking at the color of voters is a very superficial observation of why someone voted, but you are entitled to that opinion

So you think the support for Drumpf from the KKK and Nazis was just some bizarre coincidence and you actually expect me to believe his rhetoric was not geared at racists?

Far Right groups like nazis and KKK were never going to vote for Hillary just like far left Communists and Anarchists are not likely to vote Republican. None of these groups represent normal every day people which make up most of the country. The Rhetoric was coming mostly from the News media trying to paint Trump as a racist no matter what he said. Example, he wanted to ban travel from SPECIFIC muslim countries and then the news media says he wanted to ban Muslims. Obama had previously labeled those same countries as sources of Terror. There you go . Trump hates muslims... racist! bull shit, its just politics because they wanted Hillary for president, and this isn't stopping from the left.

You forget Drumpf specifically targeted Muslims. Prior to ever running for office he took out full page ad against the Central Park 5 (Black people) who were fully exonerated. He was sued for not renting to Blacks. His rhetoric is supported by racists. No intelligent person is going to believe Drumpf is not racist.

Maybe TRump has shown some racists tendency, like the Renting issue. Can a person change as they get older though and take a wider view of things? The Dems seem to think so as they have no problem welcoming X- kkk grand dragons.... I have no doubt Trump is seriously flawed, but even so, It's my feeling eveyone including African Americans are going to fare much better under his presidency than what we would have had with Hillary. Face it we diddnt have much choice and I don't buy Hillary's altruism I believe most of what you see with her is an act, which makes her more of a dangerous character. Of course, thats just my opinion.

As for Trump targeting Muslims specifically, he proposed a 90 day travel ban from 7 countries and 120 days for refugees. Not unreasonable considering a new administration needs time to set up. Of course you can see how political opponents, politicized that. Most Muslims in the world dont live in those countries at all ... so no. It wasnt "Targeting" anyone. It was a president attempting to take measures to alleviate the job of the intel community for a temporary period of time, for the benefit of the country he is supposed to represent as president. Some people will never get that

Bullshit. He was involved. He and his father are named specifically. Hell Drumpf even tried to counter sue

 

[hadit]

She was a Jew living in Palestine with a Jewish family tree going back to the beginning. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

 

[Asclepias]

She was a Jew living in Palestine with a Jewish family tree going back to the beginning. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

 

[hadit]

She was a Jew living in Palestine with a Jewish family tree going back to the beginning. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

I didn't say she was white. You're making that up. There are skin colors between black and white you know.

 

[Asclepias]

She was a Jew living in Palestine with a Jewish family tree going back to the beginning. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

I didn't say she was white. You're making that up. There are skin colors between black and white you know.

If youre saying she wasnt a Black person then youre lying. I know there are different skin colors. However, I am talking about her race not her skin color. She was a Black woman. The Black Madonna.

 

[hadit]

And when I say white I don't mean snow white.

I never claimed you did.

But you kept going on about how turning a white man's hand snow white wouldn't be that big of a deal. It would, because Caucasian white is not snow white.

It wouldnt be a big deal. I dont see a problem with saying its not a big deal. Turning a Black mans hand snow white would be much more shocking and a big deal.

It's pointless anyway. He had the plagues backing him up.

Plagues? The plagues were to convince the Egyptians specifically the Pharaoh, not the Hebrews.

Exodus 3:19-20

It's really a moot point because turning a person's skin snow white is very dramatic, whether that person is white, brown, or black. Moses, being semitic and living outdoors for most of the previous 40 years, was likely dark brown. Now, you can claim he was black all you want, but it makes no difference.

 

[hadit]

She was a Jew living in Palestine with a Jewish family tree going back to the beginning. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

I didn't say she was white. You're making that up. There are skin colors between black and white you know.

If youre saying she wasnt a Black person then youre lying. I know there are different skin colors. However, I am talking about her race not her skin color. She was a Black woman. The Black Madonna.

Interesting. I wonder when they got her to sit for that portrait <rolleyes>. Not quite sure why you're so gung ho to claim the Jews living in Palestine at that time were all black. You seem to be very hung up on that.

 

[Asclepias]

I never claimed you did.

But you kept going on about how turning a white man's hand snow white wouldn't be that big of a deal. It would, because Caucasian white is not snow white.

It wouldnt be a big deal. I dont see a problem with saying its not a big deal. Turning a Black mans hand snow white would be much more shocking and a big deal.

It's pointless anyway. He had the plagues backing him up.

Plagues? The plagues were to convince the Egyptians specifically the Pharaoh, not the Hebrews.

Exodus 3:19-20

It's really a moot point because turning a person's skin snow white is very dramatic, whether that person is white, brown, or black. Moses, being semitic and living outdoors for most of the previous 40 years, was likely dark brown. Now, you can claim he was black all you want, but it makes no difference.

No. Its not dramatic to turn a white persons skin whiter. You wouldnt even be able to tell at 30 yards. The darker the person the more stark the contrast. Yes Moses was dark brown. There is no way he would have survived in the Pharaohs household for all those years if he didnt look like a Black man.

 

[Asclepias]

That is an assumption.

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

I didn't say she was white. You're making that up. There are skin colors between black and white you know.

If youre saying she wasnt a Black person then youre lying. I know there are different skin colors. However, I am talking about her race not her skin color. She was a Black woman. The Black Madonna.

Interesting. I wonder when they got her to sit for that portrait <rolleyes>. Not quite sure why you're so gung ho to claim the Jews living in Palestine at that time were all black. You seem to be very hung up on that.

I'm pretty sure I know why whites are so hung up on claiming the Hebrews were white. They are insecure. Myself? I feel its important to let people know the facts. White people like to lie about everything especially the bible. If whites had not felt the need to lie we wouldnt even be discussing this.

 

[hadit]

But you kept going on about how turning a white man's hand snow white wouldn't be that big of a deal. It would, because Caucasian white is not snow white.

It wouldnt be a big deal. I dont see a problem with saying its not a big deal. Turning a Black mans hand snow white would be much more shocking and a big deal.

It's pointless anyway. He had the plagues backing him up.

Plagues? The plagues were to convince the Egyptians specifically the Pharaoh, not the Hebrews.

Exodus 3:19-20

It's really a moot point because turning a person's skin snow white is very dramatic, whether that person is white, brown, or black. Moses, being semitic and living outdoors for most of the previous 40 years, was likely dark brown. Now, you can claim he was black all you want, but it makes no difference.

No. Its not dramatic to turn a white persons skin whiter. You wouldnt even be able to tell at 30 yards. The darker the person the more stark the contrast. Yes Moses was dark brown. There is no way he would have survived in the Pharaohs household for all those years if he didnt look like a Black man.

Actually, it is very dramatic to suddenly turn a person's skin snow white, regardless of their original color. Like I said though, it's still a moot point because Moses, being semitic, wasn't Caucasian. I'd like to see your evidence that the Egyptians of the time were all black, though. Their art certainly didn't depict a majority black society. Perhaps you have a few old Polaroids lying around from the time of the Pharoahs you could share?

 

[hadit]

It is what we know about her from the Scriptures.

Your assumption about her being white is not in the scriptures. Her lineage in the Table of Nations says under the most palatable outcome for you is that she is biracial. At worst for you she was completely Black.

I didn't say she was white. You're making that up. There are skin colors between black and white you know.

If youre saying she wasnt a Black person then youre lying. I know there are different skin colors. However, I am talking about her race not her skin color. She was a Black woman. The Black Madonna.

Interesting. I wonder when they got her to sit for that portrait <rolleyes>. Not quite sure why you're so gung ho to claim the Jews living in Palestine at that time were all black. You seem to be very hung up on that.

I'm pretty sure I know why whites are so hung up on claiming the Hebrews were white. They are insecure. Myself? I feel its important to let people know the facts. White people like to lie about everything especially the bible. If whites had not felt the need to lie we wouldnt even be discussing this.

I wouldn't know. I haven't been claiming the Hebrews were white. That's something you keep projecting.

 

[Asclepias]

It wouldnt be a big deal. I dont see a problem with saying its not a big deal. Turning a Black mans hand snow white would be much more shocking and a big deal.

It's pointless anyway. He had the plagues backing him up.

Plagues? The plagues were to convince the Egyptians specifically the Pharaoh, not the Hebrews.

Exodus 3:19-20

It's really a moot point because turning a person's skin snow white is very dramatic, whether that person is white, brown, or black. Moses, being semitic and living outdoors for most of the previous 40 years, was likely dark brown. Now, you can claim he was black all you want, but it makes no difference.

No. Its not dramatic to turn a white persons skin whiter. You wouldnt even be able to tell at 30 yards. The darker the person the more stark the contrast. Yes Moses was dark brown. There is no way he would have survived in the Pharaohs household for all those years if he didnt look like a Black man.

Actually, it is very dramatic to suddenly turn a person's skin snow white, regardless of their original color. Like I said though, it's still a moot point because Moses, being semitic, wasn't Caucasian. I'd like to see your evidence that the Egyptians of the time were all black, though. Their art certainly didn't depict a majority black society. Perhaps you have a few old Polaroids lying around from the time of the Pharoahs you could share?

No its not dramatic. I would be like "is this the miracle you were going to show me?" Now you take a Black man and turn his hand white and then I will sit up and take notice. I know Moses was not caucasian. My point is that he was a Black man. Not only did Egyptian art show a majority Black society, the Greeks themselves say the Egyptians were Black people.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No, you seemed to have missed it. You also seem to miss not all whites were racists.

You just stated whites had a 300 year head start. Which is it? Blacks succeeded or didn’t because you say they were stymied by whites. I would imagine the firsts Blacks in Congress would argue with you.
The first seven blacks elected to Congress were all Republicans. Starting in 1822
First Blacks in Congress - Last Days Watchman
So would this gentleman

1700s
Benjamin Banneker

Astronomer, clockmaker, publisher

1731-1806
Made the calculations to predict solar and lunar eclipses and to compile an ephemeris for the Benjamin Banneker`s Almanac.

Harriet Wilson
Novelist
1825-1900

First African American of either gender to publish a novel on the North American continent.

William H. Carney
Civil War hero
1842-1908

Sgt. Carney was the first African American to be awarded the Medal of Honor.

Elijah McCoy
Inventor
1844-1929

Invented an automatic lubricator for oiling the steam engines of locomotives, boats, etc.

Frederick Douglass
(1818-1895)

A former slave, Douglass became a leading figurehead in the anti-slavery movement. One of the most prominent African American leaders of the Nineteenth Century. His autobiography of life as a slave, and his speeches denouncing slavery – were influential in changing public opinion

Booker T. Washington
(1856 – 1915)

Author and orator, Washington was an adviser to the presidents of Roosevelt (R) and Taft (R). During the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, he was often considered the de facto leader of African-Americans. He advocated an incremental approach to improving education and life prospects of black Americans.

1821Edit

• First African American to hold a patent: Thomas L. Jennings, for a dry-cleaning process[13]
• 1827
• First African American to receive a degree from an American college: Alexander Twilight, Middlebury College[15] (See also: 1836)

Harriett Tubman, another example.

Was their horrific treatment of Blacks in our history? Yes.
These gentlemen and women made it despite any hardships in their way. So to claim that for 300 years Blacks have been held back, is just wrong. One is only held back by his own prejudices. They made it by refusing to let anything stand in their way. They either fought for change to make it better for their ancestors, or chose to move on from the past and take advantage of what God had given them, even if struggle still existed. And they made it.

You constantly claim that Whites are responsible for all your woes. No, it is your own prejudices and resentments that will not let go, which dwells in the past, that holds you, or anyone of any color back, whether they came from poverty, from unfair treatment, abuse, or anything else. You forget the Irish were treated as second class citizens at one time, as well. You forget Blacks also sold Whites and Blacks as slaves to America.
Woe is me is a sure fire way to failure, in everything.

You fail to remember those whites that fought for equal treatment of Blacks. Others also fought through action for women’s rights. If I held on to the fact my female ancestors were once considered lesser because they were female, I would indeed be miserable. Instead I choose to honor those that helped to make us equal, instead, and live with the fact today I can be and do anything a man can do.

No one today is alive that had anything to do with the slavery of the past. Celebrate those that helped bring about change, recognize whites were involved in that change.
And move on in the knowledge you can today, because of the changes in the past.

Are there no prejudices today? Yes, but it is the exception rather than the norm, fortunately. Unfortunately, your own prejudice only helps to stymie growth of others you influence around you, away from even less prejudices. Yet you fail to recognize that.

that the founding fathers and subsequent leadership had to construct a system that gave them a 300 plus year head start here in the US? If you count the years of enslavement of Blacks. The laws against Blacks reading. The Vagrancy laws. The Jim Crow laws. etc etc arent you kind of pissed off that your white leadership thought so very very little of your ability to succeed on a level playing field?

I would imagine a number your ancestors would be pretty flummoxed to hear you saying they couldn’t succeed back then, since they did.

I'm not white. I'm Black. We succeeded in spite of legislation designed to make up for the inferior work ethic of whites. Imagine if there had been a level field? I'm just asking doesnt it make you angry your ancestors needed that help and for more than 2 centuries?

I think you missed the part where these Black men would tell you themselves they did this despite white racism.

By today’s standards, all white people In the 19th century and early part of the 20th century were racist.

There’s no need to apologize for those assholes. They were racist.

Plead guilty on their behalf. They were racist motherfuckers.

Just admitting that goes along way. It’s not a condemnation of white people today. We are not them . We are not responsible for their sins. But since they did commit. Plead guilty. Maintain your commitment to do better than those assholes.

I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that’s all that the black community is asking.