Argument That Illegals don't Vote Continues To 'Die' a 'Slow Death'

[AntonToo]

Nonsence, nobody ever said that there are ZERO instances of someone somewhere voting improperly.

Yes, actually they did...on this board. I am glad you agree that making such a statement, evidently stated while emotion had gotten the best of them, is ridiculous.

You have a quote?

If you do have such a quote form anyone, yes it is ridiculous, but posters here are not the President of the United States of America spreading blatant bullshit to the public.

Feel free to dig through the historic posts on USMB. We agree - yes it is ridiculous.

Nice dodge of the actual issue - Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won.

 

[easyt65]

Nice dodge of the actual issue.

What dodge? The issue of this thread is that illegals DO vote, and we both agree anyone saying they don't - anyone ever saying they didn't (which some have) - is ridiculous.

 

[jc456]

Nonsence, nobody ever said that there are ZERO instances of someone somewhere voting improperly.

Yes, actually they did...on this board. I am glad you agree that making such a statement, evidently stated while emotion had gotten the best of them, is ridiculous.

You have a quote?

If you do have such a quote form anyone, yes it is ridiculous, but posters here are not the President of the United States of America spreading blatant bullshit to the public.

Feel free to dig through the historic posts on USMB. We agree - yes it is ridiculous.

Nice dodge of the actual issue - Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won.

Dude country over party or not?

 

[AntonToo]

Nice dodge of the actual issue.

What dodge? The issue of this thread is that illegals DO vote, and we both agree anyone saying they don't - anyone ever saying they didn't (which some have) - is ridiculous.

Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won.

This thread is continuation of this very issue.

 

[jc456]

Nice dodge of the actual issue.

What dodge? The issue of this thread is that illegals DO vote, and we both agree anyone saying they don't - anyone ever saying they didn't (which some have) - is ridiculous.

Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won.

This thread is continuation of this very issue.

You saying you don't understand why he might say something? Really?

 

[easyt65]

Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won. This thread is continuation of this very issue.

Sorry, you don't get to declare what this thread is about or what the topic of the thread is since YOU'RE NOT THE OP, SNOWFLAKE.

As stated, the topic of this thread is that, despite previous snowflake claims to the opposite, illegals have and do vote. That's it.

You just spewed BS to justify your off-tpic rant. Fail. You lose.

 

[BlindBoo]

I believe that the actual argument is that "illegals or non-citizens don't vote in significant numbers to alter Trumphs loss of the popular vote.

Non-citizens are voting illegally in Ohio, but the number is tiny

While the numbers may look significant, a tiny percentage of those discovered in two previous inquiries were pursued and prosecuted for voter fraud.

Of 44 people referred for prosecution in two previous elections, Attorney General Mike DeWine's office said eight were prosecuted and five were convicted. one was reported to a diversion program, and the records were sealed in two cases so the disposition is not known.

Of five convictions, one person was fined $300 on a falsification charge and four were sentenced to community control. None received jail time.

The five convictions compare to more than 8.2 million combined votes cast in the 2012 and 2014 election cycles.

Another seven cases were found where the individual was not a citizen when they registered, but became a citizen by the time they cast their ballot. There were another 29 people investigated by the Bureau of Criminal Identification who county prosecuting attorneys declined to prosecute or were not indicted by a grand jury.

Generally speaking, the fraud on both sides tends to cancel the other out. But since we know there is fraud, that means that there will be occasions when fraud on one side can tip the balance in crucial districts. Think Fla, 2000. Had a few more dead democrats managed to get to the polls in a few places, we might have had <shudder> an Algore, aka Forest Gump, presidency.

Gore would not have ignored Afghanistan and al Qaeda like President Bush.

Once again EasyRed picks up the downed ball and runs in to the Endzone, spikes the ball and declares "Touch Down" while everyone watches.

No, snowflake - you made a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic, attempting to deflect / change the focus. Again, 'surrender' accepted.

Your made up argument is just that, made up. No credible source would ever say non US citizens never, ever vote. So feel free to declare victory in any way you feel necessary.

You're defense of our "Snowflake in Chief" is touching

 

[BlindBoo]

Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won. This thread is continuation of this very issue.

Sorry, you don't get to declare what this thread is about or what the topic of the thread is since YOU'RE NOT THE OP, SNOWFLAKE.

As stated, the topic of this thread is that, despite previous snowflake claims to the opposite, illegals have and do vote. That's it.

You just spewed BS to justify your off-tpic rant. Fail. You lose.

Easy the Cupcake, try not to take it too personal, after all this is America and not Russia.

 

[jc456]

I believe that the actual argument is that "illegals or non-citizens don't vote in significant numbers to alter Trumphs loss of the popular vote.

Non-citizens are voting illegally in Ohio, but the number is tiny

While the numbers may look significant, a tiny percentage of those discovered in two previous inquiries were pursued and prosecuted for voter fraud.

Of 44 people referred for prosecution in two previous elections, Attorney General Mike DeWine's office said eight were prosecuted and five were convicted. one was reported to a diversion program, and the records were sealed in two cases so the disposition is not known.

Of five convictions, one person was fined $300 on a falsification charge and four were sentenced to community control. None received jail time.

The five convictions compare to more than 8.2 million combined votes cast in the 2012 and 2014 election cycles.

Another seven cases were found where the individual was not a citizen when they registered, but became a citizen by the time they cast their ballot. There were another 29 people investigated by the Bureau of Criminal Identification who county prosecuting attorneys declined to prosecute or were not indicted by a grand jury.

Generally speaking, the fraud on both sides tends to cancel the other out. But since we know there is fraud, that means that there will be occasions when fraud on one side can tip the balance in crucial districts. Think Fla, 2000. Had a few more dead democrats managed to get to the polls in a few places, we might have had <shudder> an Algore, aka Forest Gump, presidency.

Gore would not have ignored Afghanistan and al Qaeda like President Bush.

Once again EasyRed picks up the downed ball and runs in to the Endzone, spikes the ball and declares "Touch Down" while everyone watches.

No, snowflake - you made a comment that had nothing to do with the thread topic, attempting to deflect / change the focus. Again, 'surrender' accepted.

Your made up argument is just that, made up. No credible source would ever say non US citizens never, ever vote. So feel free to declare victory in any way you feel necessary.

You're defense of our "Snowflake in Chief" is touching

You should understand snowflakes mis use makes you look silly as always

 

[paperview]

This guy makes this claim every year, and when put through the grinder test, it always turn out to be way less than he claims.

This is a story from two years ago:

"Forty-four non-citizens may have voted illegally in Ohio at some point since 2000.

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has been on a mission to weed out purported voter fraud in the state since he took office in 2011. After launching an investigation into what he called an “expanding loophole” allowing non-citizens to vote in Ohio and potentially decide elections, he announced Thursday that 145 non-citizens were registered to vote illegally in 2014, amounting to just .0002 percent of the 7.7 million registered voters in the state.

Husted’s office would not provide any information about the 27 people it referred to the Attorney General’s office for further review. But in 2013, his office sent 17 potential cases — .0003 percent of total ballots cast in the state — to the AG who eventually referred them to county prosecutors. Most reports of voting irregularities were dropped by the county prosecutors because the “voter fraud” problems were determined to have been caused by simple mistakes and confused senior citizens, according to a Cleveland Plain Dealer investigation.

<...>

Voter fraud in Ohio is a fifth-degree felony and could carry up to a year in prison. But of the cases referred to prosecutors’ offices in 2013, most irregularities were caused by voter confusion or mistakes made by elections officials and not deliberate attempts to commit fraud, the investigation found. For example, Cuyahoga County looked into 15 cases referred from Husted’s office and chose not to pursue criminal charges against any of the individuals, concluding that the voters were confused about the “Golden Week” during which people can both register to vote and also cast their absentee ballot.

In total, only four people were convicted of voting fraud as a result of the 2013 investigation."


Ohio’s Huge Voter Fraud Investigation Turns Up Nearly Nothing

 

[jc456]

Trump pathetically lying about widespread voting fraud to deny the fact that he lost the popular vote in election he already won. This thread is continuation of this very issue.

Sorry, you don't get to declare what this thread is about or what the topic of the thread is since YOU'RE NOT THE OP, SNOWFLAKE.

As stated, the topic of this thread is that, despite previous snowflake claims to the opposite, illegals have and do vote. That's it.

You just spewed BS to justify your off-tpic rant. Fail. You lose.

Easy the Cupcake, try not to take it too personal, after all this is America and not Russia.

You still confused about american and Russians? must be a lib thing eh?

 

[Steelfoot]

Our heroic President Trump is not one to pussyfoot around. It's possible a random selection of dirty border-jumping cucarachas all across the USA will encounter a mysterious squad of ninjas who will beat, stomp and permanently cripple them. If that occurs, there will be a frantic mass exodus of the vile subhumans back to the loathsome Third World where their kind belongs. We almost hesitate to say it, but this would represent a low-cost, common-sense solution to the pestilence. Know what we mean?

 

[jc456]

Our heroic President Trump is not one to pussyfoot around. It's possible a random selection of dirty border-jumping cucarachas all across the USA will encounter a mysterious squad of ninjas who will beat, stomp and permanently cripple them. If that occurs, there will be a frantic mass exodus of the vile subhumans back to the loathsome Third World where their kind belongs. We almost hesitate to say it, but this would represent a low-cost, common-sense solution to the pestilence. Know what we mean?

So you're calling Mexico third world? Wow

Sounds like their president needs some guidance

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hundreds Of Non-Citizens Registered To Vote In Ohio, Investigation Finds

"Hundreds of non-citizens are registered to vote in Ohio and some have even cast ballots, a state investigation of its voter rolls reveals.

According to Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, his office has identified a total of 821 non-citizens registered to vote in the Buckeye State since 2011 — 126 of whom voted in at least one election.

“In light of the national discussion about illegal voting it is important to inform our discussions with facts,” Husted said in a statement. “The fact is voter fraud happens, it is rare and when it happens, we hold people accountable.”

'Voter fraud happens...We hold people accountable', NOT IGNORE IT and claim it DOESN'T happen.

Snowflake response to the law being broken:
'It doesn't happen that much - what's a couple hundred illegals voting? No need to do anything to ensure it doesn't happen any more... Just ignore it.'

No illegal is going to risk getting caught and deported just so they can cast a vote. Trump's claim that 3 to 5 million illegals voted is as much a fraud as he is. If Ohio wasn't checking status like most states DO--then this is their problem, and the illegals who registered are in serious trouble of deportation. That is considered a FELONY and reason for immediate deportation.

They would be more likely to vote illegally if they were fairly certain they would not face a concerted effort to detect their fraud. There are places in this country where they could be thus certain.

No, there is not. However, plenty of places exist for Trumpers to vote repeatedly.

Do you really think an illegal alien casting an illegal vote is as likely to face detection and arrest in San Francisco as they are in say, Tempe, Arizona? SF is a sanctuary city that flouts federal immigration law.

Do you think a Trumper loose in Phoenix is likely to face detection and arrest for multiple voting?

Once again, where is the serious evidence? There is none that demonstrates any elections were in the slightest bit in trouble of being corrupted.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Our heroic President Trump is not one to pussyfoot around. It's possible a random selection of dirty border-jumping cucarachas all across the USA will encounter a mysterious squad of ninjas who will beat, stomp and permanently cripple them. If that occurs, there will be a frantic mass exodus of the vile subhumans back to the loathsome Third World where their kind belongs. We almost hesitate to say it, but this would represent a low-cost, common-sense solution to the pestilence. Know what we mean?

You are back! Welcome! I see you are still crazy about race.

 

[jc456]

Hundreds Of Non-Citizens Registered To Vote In Ohio, Investigation Finds

"Hundreds of non-citizens are registered to vote in Ohio and some have even cast ballots, a state investigation of its voter rolls reveals.

According to Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, his office has identified a total of 821 non-citizens registered to vote in the Buckeye State since 2011 — 126 of whom voted in at least one election.

“In light of the national discussion about illegal voting it is important to inform our discussions with facts,” Husted said in a statement. “The fact is voter fraud happens, it is rare and when it happens, we hold people accountable.”

'Voter fraud happens...We hold people accountable', NOT IGNORE IT and claim it DOESN'T happen.

Snowflake response to the law being broken:
'It doesn't happen that much - what's a couple hundred illegals voting? No need to do anything to ensure it doesn't happen any more... Just ignore it.'

No illegal is going to risk getting caught and deported just so they can cast a vote. Trump's claim that 3 to 5 million illegals voted is as much a fraud as he is. If Ohio wasn't checking status like most states DO--then this is their problem, and the illegals who registered are in serious trouble of deportation. That is considered a FELONY and reason for immediate deportation.

They would be more likely to vote illegally if they were fairly certain they would not face a concerted effort to detect their fraud. There are places in this country where they could be thus certain.

No, there is not. However, plenty of places exist for Trumpers to vote repeatedly.

Do you really think an illegal alien casting an illegal vote is as likely to face detection and arrest in San Francisco as they are in say, Tempe, Arizona? SF is a sanctuary city that flouts federal immigration law.

Do you think a Trumper loose in Phoenix is likely to face detection and arrest for multiple voting?

Once again, where is the serious evidence? There is none that demonstrates any elections were in the slightest bit in trouble of being corrupted.

Asked and answered

 

[hadit]

Hundreds Of Non-Citizens Registered To Vote In Ohio, Investigation Finds

"Hundreds of non-citizens are registered to vote in Ohio and some have even cast ballots, a state investigation of its voter rolls reveals.

According to Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted, his office has identified a total of 821 non-citizens registered to vote in the Buckeye State since 2011 — 126 of whom voted in at least one election.

“In light of the national discussion about illegal voting it is important to inform our discussions with facts,” Husted said in a statement. “The fact is voter fraud happens, it is rare and when it happens, we hold people accountable.”

'Voter fraud happens...We hold people accountable', NOT IGNORE IT and claim it DOESN'T happen.

Snowflake response to the law being broken:
'It doesn't happen that much - what's a couple hundred illegals voting? No need to do anything to ensure it doesn't happen any more... Just ignore it.'

No illegal is going to risk getting caught and deported just so they can cast a vote. Trump's claim that 3 to 5 million illegals voted is as much a fraud as he is. If Ohio wasn't checking status like most states DO--then this is their problem, and the illegals who registered are in serious trouble of deportation. That is considered a FELONY and reason for immediate deportation.

They would be more likely to vote illegally if they were fairly certain they would not face a concerted effort to detect their fraud. There are places in this country where they could be thus certain.

No, there is not. However, plenty of places exist for Trumpers to vote repeatedly.

Do you really think an illegal alien casting an illegal vote is as likely to face detection and arrest in San Francisco as they are in say, Tempe, Arizona? SF is a sanctuary city that flouts federal immigration law.

Do you think a Trumper loose in Phoenix is likely to face detection and arrest for multiple voting?

Once again, where is the serious evidence? There is none that demonstrates any elections were in the slightest bit in trouble of being corrupted.

The point remains that some places in this country are more likely to put effort into stopping vote fraud than others, based on their reaction to illegal aliens violating the law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the point remains for Trumpers stuffing the ballot boxes to protect such fraud.

 

[Steelfoot]

America for REAL Americans!

 

[oreo]

No illegal is going to risk getting caught and deported just so they can cast a vote. Trump's claim that 3 to 5 million illegals voted is as much a fraud as he is. If Ohio wasn't checking status like most states DO--then this is their problem, and the illegals who registered are in serious trouble of deportation. That is considered a FELONY and reason for immediate deportation.

They would be more likely to vote illegally if they were fairly certain they would not face a concerted effort to detect their fraud. There are places in this country where they could be thus certain.

No, there is not. However, plenty of places exist for Trumpers to vote repeatedly.

Do you really think an illegal alien casting an illegal vote is as likely to face detection and arrest in San Francisco as they are in say, Tempe, Arizona? SF is a sanctuary city that flouts federal immigration law.

Do you think a Trumper loose in Phoenix is likely to face detection and arrest for multiple voting?

Once again, where is the serious evidence? There is none that demonstrates any elections were in the slightest bit in trouble of being corrupted.

The point remains that some places in this country are more likely to put effort into stopping vote fraud than others, based on their reaction to illegal aliens violating the law.

Look I am all for a full AUDIT of each and every state, to insure that illegals didn't vote, that dead people didn't vote, and that no one voted more than once.

But this "cherry picking" is not working. If you're willing to agree do that, then I am fine with it.

We caught two Trump supporters trying to vote more than once, they were arrested and charged. Since Trump was continually campaigning on a RIGGED ELECTION, it only makes sense to verify that there aren't a lot more that did the same.

Trump supporter votes twice because she fears a 'rigged' process
This woman was in Ohio

Officers: Trump supporter tried to vote twice in Fort Bend
This man was in Texas

"In his persistent determination to gin up distrust of the integrity of the vote counting process across the country, Donald Trump is going to get people in trouble. We have already seen one Trump supporter charged with voter fraud this month for attempting to vote twice. Not to be deterred from his “Rigged!” dog-whistle, the Republican nominee doubled down at a campaign stop in Greeley, Colorado on Sunday appears to be actively advocating that his supporters vote twice.

Trump’s comments, which are available below, lack the typical nuance that would allow someone to vote more than once in an election; most notably is that once an elections official receives a ballot, it cannot be changed."

In Trump's own words

Sopan Deb on Twitter

So YES, let's do a complete audit of each and every state. Lets insure that people are no longer registered to vote in more than one state and or locality.

How much do want to bet that Trump won't sign an executive order to do that? In fact he fought an audit of the vote in Missouri, because he won that state.