Atheist: Okay to Disparage Christians, But Islam Off-Limits Because of ‘Fear’

[Rustic]

Yeah, evangelical atheists try to make people believe that. However, anyone with a brain knows they are full of crap. Below are just a few quotes made by Hitler that show without doubt his atheist beliefs.


“the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6). The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.” Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488). His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated. Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154).

“‘clear,’ noted Geobbels, himself numbering among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals, ‘that after the war it has to find a general solution.... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view’” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 449).

Although Hitler fooled many in the church — the fact is, Hitler did not completely hide his strong contempt for Christianity. For example, when Germany invaded Poland, around 200 executions a day occurred — all without trials — which included especially, the “nobility, clerics, and Jews,” all which were eventually to be exterminated (Kershaw, 2000, p. 243). Furthermore, since the inception of Nazism, “Nazi fanatics” had openly conducted a “campaign against the church” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 702). The famous concordat Hitler signed in 1933 with the Vatican was designed to guarantee the freedom of the Catholic Church. In fact it was a ruse. Not long after the ink was dry the head of the Catholic Action organization, Dr. Erich Klausner, was

“murdered by Hitler’s stormtroopers. In an attempt to discredit the Church, monks were brought to trial on immorality charges. In 1935 the Protestant churches were placed under state control. Protesting ministers and priests were sent to concentration camps. They had become ‘supervisives’ on a par with the Jews and communists. Pope Pius XI, realizing the anti-Christian nature of Nazism, charged Hitler with ‘the threatening storm clouds of destructive religious wars ... which have no other aim than ... that of extermination.’ But the Nazi shouts of ‘Kill the Jews’ drowned out the warning voice of the Pope and the agonized cries of the tortured in the concentration camps” (Dimont, 1994, p. 397).



- Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? -- TrueOrigin Archive

I can understand christians not wanting to own up to Hitler. Totally understandable. But he was a christian...even was thinking at one time of becoming a catholic priest. He got pretty cozy with the catholic hierarchy too.

More bullshit. Christianity was an epic failure in Germany.
But lies about Hitler are just lies.

Hitler's Christianity

These are actual Hitler quotes.

Again, not a practicing Christian, big difference.

Well now...who said anything about "practicing christian"? Is that the new criteria? And what would be the definition of "practicing christian"? Baptised? Hitler was. Going to church every sunday?

The Heidelberg catechism is a good start...

 

[bodecea]

Hitler's Christianity

These are actual Hitler quotes.

Hitler quotes? You're kidding, right? I asked for evidence and you provide quotes from a politician?
Filed your response with you can keep your doctor and insurance.

So...you won't take Hitler's own words that he's a christian? So we can't take your word either?

If you understood Christianity you would know that there is an abundance of physical evidence of faith, not mere words. Pretty much like Obama claiming to be a Christian. All these decades and where's the beef?

So....you would state that anyone who behaves in a non-christian way isn't a christian? Who makes that call? I bet Hitler thought he was a christian....and it sure looks like a lot of the Catholic hierarchy thought he was a christian too.

1 Peter 2 9-10

That's nice.

 

[Rustic]

You display your total and complete lack of history knowledge by claiming Hitler was a Christian. His very first act was to order every Pastor and Priest to swear an oath he was above God. Those that refused were sent to concentration camps.

And post 129 has your results of communism.

Hitler was a christian. Thank you for the post #...I'll go check it out now.

What church did Hitler attend then?

He identified with Catholicism.

Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity. Catholiciism is its own religion, christianity is not a religion.

Wait.....what?

Prove that Christianity is a religion or did just some man make that up??

 

[Weatherman2020]

More bullshit. Christianity was an epic failure in Germany.
But lies about Hitler are just lies.

Hitler's Christianity

These are actual Hitler quotes.

Hitler quotes? You're kidding, right? I asked for evidence and you provide quotes from a politician?
Filed your response with you can keep your doctor and insurance.

So...you won't take Hitler's own words that he's a christian? So we can't take your word either?

If you understood Christianity you would know that there is an abundance of physical evidence of faith, not mere words. Pretty much like Obama claiming to be a Christian. All these decades and where's the beef?

So....you would state that anyone who behaves in a non-christian way isn't a christian? Who makes that call? I bet Hitler thought he was a christian....and it sure looks like a lot of the Catholic hierarchy thought he was a christian too.

Hitler never accepted Christ. Zero evidence he ever did. He was more likely an anti-Christ.

 

[bodecea]

Hitler was atheist. I never dismiss any murders of innocents. I just know that the industrialized murder of the atheistic collectivist countries dwarfs anything the religious nutters of the past have done. Why do you dredge up truly ancient history in an effort to hide the very recent, and very real murders, that the progressives have done in the last century alone?

No...Hitler was christian.

Hitler's Christianity

Yeah, evangelical atheists try to make people believe that. However, anyone with a brain knows they are full of crap. Below are just a few quotes made by Hitler that show without doubt his atheist beliefs.


“the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6). The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.” Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488). His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated. Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154).

“‘clear,’ noted Geobbels, himself numbering among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals, ‘that after the war it has to find a general solution.... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view’” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 449).

Although Hitler fooled many in the church — the fact is, Hitler did not completely hide his strong contempt for Christianity. For example, when Germany invaded Poland, around 200 executions a day occurred — all without trials — which included especially, the “nobility, clerics, and Jews,” all which were eventually to be exterminated (Kershaw, 2000, p. 243). Furthermore, since the inception of Nazism, “Nazi fanatics” had openly conducted a “campaign against the church” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 702). The famous concordat Hitler signed in 1933 with the Vatican was designed to guarantee the freedom of the Catholic Church. In fact it was a ruse. Not long after the ink was dry the head of the Catholic Action organization, Dr. Erich Klausner, was

“murdered by Hitler’s stormtroopers. In an attempt to discredit the Church, monks were brought to trial on immorality charges. In 1935 the Protestant churches were placed under state control. Protesting ministers and priests were sent to concentration camps. They had become ‘supervisives’ on a par with the Jews and communists. Pope Pius XI, realizing the anti-Christian nature of Nazism, charged Hitler with ‘the threatening storm clouds of destructive religious wars ... which have no other aim than ... that of extermination.’ But the Nazi shouts of ‘Kill the Jews’ drowned out the warning voice of the Pope and the agonized cries of the tortured in the concentration camps” (Dimont, 1994, p. 397).



- Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? -- TrueOrigin Archive

I can understand christians not wanting to own up to Hitler. Totally understandable. But he was a christian...even was thinking at one time of becoming a catholic priest. He got pretty cozy with the catholic hierarchy too.

Christianity is not a religion. A person can be religious of or at anything, religion is a man-made concept nothing to do with Christianity.
You can religiously hug trees that's a religion. You could religiously build polar bears Rafts in the Arctic that's a religion.

What Rustic is saying is Christianity is a personal life changing relationship with Jesus, not about any rituals.

So....that would put most "practicing christians" outside of christianity by his definition. What is it that makes his definition of christianity any more valid than a catholic's or even Hitler's?

 

[bodecea]

Hitler was a christian. Thank you for the post #...I'll go check it out now.

What church did Hitler attend then?

He identified with Catholicism.

Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity. Catholiciism is its own religion, christianity is not a religion.

Wait.....what?

Prove that Christianity is a religion or did just some man make that up??

Of course it's a man made up thing.....that's what religions are....all religions.

 

[Rustic]

The definition for "catholic church" is universal Church, it Pre-dates Catholic Church the two have nothing to do with each other.

Martin Luther was killed by the Catholic Church because of his beliefs and teachings.

Look up Martin Luther

 

[Weatherman2020]

What church did Hitler attend then?

He identified with Catholicism.

No, he USED the Catholic Church. Big difference.
2 minute history lesson:
German government had no separation of church and state. What the leader said was what the church went along with. You went into a church and you would find a picture of the German leader next to Jesus.
That was fine when you had someone like Hindenberg. But then Hitler took power. Within a short time every church was closed and any pastor not bowing to Hitler was put in concentration camps to be murdered.

So...how do you know that he just used the Catholic Church and they didn't use him? This seems to be a lot of denying and hair splitting and I can understand why.....it's got to suck to know that Hitler was a christian and did what he did......with a lot of help from other christians.

Because I know history and am intellectually honest about it. I told you Christianity was an epic failure in Germany then. The Pope caved and millions were murdered. But Hitler was no Christian, he used them.

I don't think the people of Germany consider christianity an epic failure.

As they rounded up Jews and Gypsies?

 

[Rustic]

What church did Hitler attend then?

He identified with Catholicism.

Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity. Catholiciism is its own religion, christianity is not a religion.

Wait.....what?

Prove that Christianity is a religion or did just some man make that up??

Of course it's a man made up thing.....that's what religions are....all religions.

No man Invented Christianity, it's a God thing you may not understand.

 

[bodecea]

He identified with Catholicism.

No, he USED the Catholic Church. Big difference.
2 minute history lesson:
German government had no separation of church and state. What the leader said was what the church went along with. You went into a church and you would find a picture of the German leader next to Jesus.
That was fine when you had someone like Hindenberg. But then Hitler took power. Within a short time every church was closed and any pastor not bowing to Hitler was put in concentration camps to be murdered.

So...how do you know that he just used the Catholic Church and they didn't use him? This seems to be a lot of denying and hair splitting and I can understand why.....it's got to suck to know that Hitler was a christian and did what he did......with a lot of help from other christians.

Because I know history and am intellectually honest about it. I told you Christianity was an epic failure in Germany then. The Pope caved and millions were murdered. But Hitler was no Christian, he used them.

I don't think the people of Germany consider christianity an epic failure.

As they rounded up Jews and Gypsies?

Yep....I'm sure many of them thought they were doing the same god's work that people like Luther had been telling them and during the Crusades when many of the german knights killed jews at home before moving towards the Levant.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No...Hitler was christian.

Hitler's Christianity

Yeah, evangelical atheists try to make people believe that. However, anyone with a brain knows they are full of crap. Below are just a few quotes made by Hitler that show without doubt his atheist beliefs.


“the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6). The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.” Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488). His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated. Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154).

“‘clear,’ noted Geobbels, himself numbering among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals, ‘that after the war it has to find a general solution.... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view’” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 449).

Although Hitler fooled many in the church — the fact is, Hitler did not completely hide his strong contempt for Christianity. For example, when Germany invaded Poland, around 200 executions a day occurred — all without trials — which included especially, the “nobility, clerics, and Jews,” all which were eventually to be exterminated (Kershaw, 2000, p. 243). Furthermore, since the inception of Nazism, “Nazi fanatics” had openly conducted a “campaign against the church” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 702). The famous concordat Hitler signed in 1933 with the Vatican was designed to guarantee the freedom of the Catholic Church. In fact it was a ruse. Not long after the ink was dry the head of the Catholic Action organization, Dr. Erich Klausner, was

“murdered by Hitler’s stormtroopers. In an attempt to discredit the Church, monks were brought to trial on immorality charges. In 1935 the Protestant churches were placed under state control. Protesting ministers and priests were sent to concentration camps. They had become ‘supervisives’ on a par with the Jews and communists. Pope Pius XI, realizing the anti-Christian nature of Nazism, charged Hitler with ‘the threatening storm clouds of destructive religious wars ... which have no other aim than ... that of extermination.’ But the Nazi shouts of ‘Kill the Jews’ drowned out the warning voice of the Pope and the agonized cries of the tortured in the concentration camps” (Dimont, 1994, p. 397).



- Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? -- TrueOrigin Archive

I can understand christians not wanting to own up to Hitler. Totally understandable. But he was a christian...even was thinking at one time of becoming a catholic priest. He got pretty cozy with the catholic hierarchy too.

Christianity is not a religion. A person can be religious of or at anything, religion is a man-made concept nothing to do with Christianity.
You can religiously hug trees that's a religion. You could religiously build polar bears Rafts in the Arctic that's a religion.

What Rustic is saying is Christianity is a personal life changing relationship with Jesus, not about any rituals.

So....that would put most "practicing christians" outside of christianity by his definition. What is it that makes his definition of christianity any more valid than a catholic's or even Hitler's?

Because your actions show your beliefs.

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, evangelical atheists try to make people believe that. However, anyone with a brain knows they are full of crap. Below are just a few quotes made by Hitler that show without doubt his atheist beliefs.


“the heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity” (Hitler, 1953, p. 6). The Jesuits were “swine,” and all of Christianity was “Jewish Christianity” which was comparable with “Jewish Bolshevism.” Hitler concluded that both were evil and both had to be destroyed (Kershaw, 2000, pp. 330, 488). His reasoning was based on his belief that Christianity was an “illegitimate” Jewish child and, as a Jewish child, was swine like its parent that must be eradicated. Hitler considered Christianity the “invention of the Jew Saul” (Azar, 1990, p. 154).

“‘clear,’ noted Geobbels, himself numbering among the most aggressive anti-Church radicals, ‘that after the war it has to find a general solution.... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view’” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 449).

Although Hitler fooled many in the church — the fact is, Hitler did not completely hide his strong contempt for Christianity. For example, when Germany invaded Poland, around 200 executions a day occurred — all without trials — which included especially, the “nobility, clerics, and Jews,” all which were eventually to be exterminated (Kershaw, 2000, p. 243). Furthermore, since the inception of Nazism, “Nazi fanatics” had openly conducted a “campaign against the church” (Kershaw, 2000, p. 702). The famous concordat Hitler signed in 1933 with the Vatican was designed to guarantee the freedom of the Catholic Church. In fact it was a ruse. Not long after the ink was dry the head of the Catholic Action organization, Dr. Erich Klausner, was

“murdered by Hitler’s stormtroopers. In an attempt to discredit the Church, monks were brought to trial on immorality charges. In 1935 the Protestant churches were placed under state control. Protesting ministers and priests were sent to concentration camps. They had become ‘supervisives’ on a par with the Jews and communists. Pope Pius XI, realizing the anti-Christian nature of Nazism, charged Hitler with ‘the threatening storm clouds of destructive religious wars ... which have no other aim than ... that of extermination.’ But the Nazi shouts of ‘Kill the Jews’ drowned out the warning voice of the Pope and the agonized cries of the tortured in the concentration camps” (Dimont, 1994, p. 397).



- Was Adolf Hitler a Christian? -- TrueOrigin Archive

I can understand christians not wanting to own up to Hitler. Totally understandable. But he was a christian...even was thinking at one time of becoming a catholic priest. He got pretty cozy with the catholic hierarchy too.

Christianity is not a religion. A person can be religious of or at anything, religion is a man-made concept nothing to do with Christianity.
You can religiously hug trees that's a religion. You could religiously build polar bears Rafts in the Arctic that's a religion.

What Rustic is saying is Christianity is a personal life changing relationship with Jesus, not about any rituals.

So....that would put most "practicing christians" outside of christianity by his definition. What is it that makes his definition of christianity any more valid than a catholic's or even Hitler's?

Because your actions show your beliefs.

And that is up to interpretation by those around you...is it not? Again...people interpreting what is christian behavior and what is not.

 

[bodecea]

I prefer the Golden Rule myself.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Yep....I'm sure many of them thought they were doing the same god's work that people like Luther had been telling them and during the Crusades when many of the german knights killed jews at home before moving towards the Levant.[/QUOTE]

Where did you learn history? Let me guess, a university.
A. Crusades were about taking back what Islam stole.
B. The Spanish Inquisition was about some lazy Spaniards who didn't want to travel to Israel and instead used their anti Semitic bigotry to murder.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And that is up to interpretation by those around you...is it not? Again...people interpreting what is christian behavior and what is not.[/QUOTE]

As the late great John Wooden said, if I'm ever prosecuted for my faith, I hope there is enough evidence to convict.

 

[Rustic]

I prefer the Golden Rule myself.

The only person that ever lived up to the golden rule,ever, is Jesus Christ all others have failed miserably...

 

[bodecea]

Yep....I'm sure many of them thought they were doing the same god's work that people like Luther had been telling them and during the Crusades when many of the german knights killed jews at home before moving towards the Levant.

Where did you learn history? Let me guess, a university.
A. Crusades were about taking back what Islam stole.
B. The Spanish Inquisition was about some lazy Spaniards who didn't want to travel to Israel and instead used their anti Semitic bigotry to murder.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about the Spanish Inquisition. How did you jump from Germany to Spain?

 

[Rustic]

Look up what Martin Luther was persecuted for...

Then look up what John Calvin is known for.

 

[bodecea]

I prefer the Golden Rule myself.

The only person that ever lived up to the golden rule,ever, is Jesus Christ all others have failed miserably...

That doesn't make it any less an important lesson to live by.

 

[bodecea]

Look up what Martin Luther was persecuted for...

Then look up what John Calvin is known for.

Martin Luther did his share of persecuting too...Read some of his stuff about Jews.