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No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. People should get the education they want for their kids, not the education that the government and its toadies impose on them. If the voters approve something else, then they will get it.You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?Not at all. I pay for schools. I am not the one running around whining and demanding others pay to send my kids to some elite private school. Pay for it yourself. Isn't that what you tell others about stuff like free contraception or medical care? Pay for it yourself.Huh?Got it. You just free stuff some one else has to pay for.Are you actually going to pretend that taxes are paid voluntarily?
I think it's you that wants free stuff that someone else has to pay for.
Who do you think you're fooling?
Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
That's pure bullshit, douchebag. Quit pissing down my leg and telling me its rain. Why should I pay for your education or your healthcare? You have yet to explain that.That's the problem with the system you endorse: I don't get a choice.You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?Not at all. I pay for schools. I am not the one running around whining and demanding others pay to send my kids to some elite private school. Pay for it yourself. Isn't that what you tell others about stuff like free contraception or medical care? Pay for it yourself.Huh?
I think it's you that wants free stuff that someone else has to pay for.
Who do you think you're fooling?
You don't get that choice. I may not want to pay for your fire department, but I do because I have to do so, even though I pay a volunteer fire department where I live.
Yes. You do. You get the same choice the rest of us do when we pay for our own contraceptives and health care and abortions.
Don't expect us to pay for YOU.
Why should anyone listen to you since you made your money from government schools? Most home schooled kids go to college, and they do much better on the standardized test. Read the first point. It says "The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests." I believe homeschool kids are required to take the same standardized tests the public school students take.Nevertheless, home schooled kids outperform kids in public schools by a million miles. Your claim about them being years behind is pure moonshine. It's government school propaganda.He was no longer my stepson at that point, but I easily could have. Home schoolers manage to teach all these subjects.The theory that only teachers and school administrators know about education was invented by teachers and school administrators. I taught my stepson how to read and do arithmetic, not any god damned public school teachers. They didn't teach him a thing.
Did you teach him chemistry, calculus, biology, etc? If not, that can be accomplished by a middle school dropout.
Home schoolers are self-designated, meaning they have zero qualifications. For every success you hear about, there are many more that have to return to public schools years behind their peers in education. I know because I had to teach high schools how to divide.
Research Facts on Homeschooling - National Home Education Research Institute
- The home-educated typically score 15 to 30 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests. (The public school average is the 50th percentile; scores range from 1 to 99.) A 2015 study found Black homeschool students to be scoring 23 to 42 percentile points above Black public school students (Ray, 2015).
- Homeschool students score above average on achievement tests regardless of their parents’ level of formal education or their family’s household income.
- Whether homeschool parents were ever certified teachers is not related to their children’s academic achievement.
- Degree of state control and regulation of homeschooling is not related to academic achievement.
- Home-educated students typically score above average on the SAT and ACT tests that colleges consider for admissions.
- Homeschool students are increasingly being actively recruited by colleges.
You know damn well that pollsters and liberals lie. You are using a source that makes its money off home schooling! Why should they tell the truth and cut their own throat?
The stats you cited can easily be disputed because home school students are almost NEVER required to take standardized tests so that a valid comparison can be made. I have posted this many times in the education topic. If you have a kid not going to college, would you force them to take the ACT? Of course not. That is called self-selection bias and is common to home schooling supporters as grains of sand on a beach.
"Compulsory" had nothing to do with it. Education wasn't compulsory in the U.S. until quite recently (after WW II) I believe, and our literacy rates have always been much higher than that.No, your STUPIDITY has. What kind of moron makes up a bogus argument, applies it to those they are debating then declares victory???Fuck off loser.
Go argue in a mirror if you want to play those asinine juvenile games
Has the truth sent you into feral Chimp spasms?
Oh right....RETARDS LIKE YOU.
Now as I said, go argue in the mirror so your made up bullshit can fool your opponent.
Idiot
Tsarist Russia's illiteracy was huge, even about 15% of Jews in Russia were illiterate.
Because Tsarist Russia didn't have the means of compulsory education / public education.
There you go lying again! Can't you at least post the truth for once? One of the main reasons for compulsory education was the extreme number of draftees in WWII that were functionally illiterate!
No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?Not at all. I pay for schools. I am not the one running around whining and demanding others pay to send my kids to some elite private school. Pay for it yourself. Isn't that what you tell others about stuff like free contraception or medical care? Pay for it yourself.Huh?Got it. You just free stuff some one else has to pay for.
I think it's you that wants free stuff that someone else has to pay for.
Who do you think you're fooling?
Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
They had illiteracy because the Monarchy had an official policy against educating peasants. Literacy in the early United States before government schools were conceived of was above 90%Eventually without, but vouchers can help with the transition.Private schools.
With or without government help?
Really dumb idea.
Russia had huge illiteracy because they didn't have public / compulsory education.
Why do you lie? is your argument so weak you have to resort to such tactics?
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?Not at all. I pay for schools. I am not the one running around whining and demanding others pay to send my kids to some elite private school. Pay for it yourself. Isn't that what you tell others about stuff like free contraception or medical care? Pay for it yourself.Huh?
I think it's you that wants free stuff that someone else has to pay for.
Who do you think you're fooling?
Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
Short-sighted idiot.
It violates the part that doesn't give the federal government the authority to run education.The EXISTENCE of the Department of Education is unconstitutional. Patently.
Whittling away at its overpaid, underworked staff is a small, but good, thing.
Really? What part of the Constitution does the Education Department violate?
Do you have anything besides a bumper sticker slogan?
I think it can be scaled back as they are doing, but your argument is baseless.
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?Not at all. I pay for schools. I am not the one running around whining and demanding others pay to send my kids to some elite private school. Pay for it yourself. Isn't that what you tell others about stuff like free contraception or medical care? Pay for it yourself.
Who do you think you're fooling?
Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
Short-sighted idiot.
No surprise.........she's a charter school zealot who wants to destroy the public schools.
That's exactly what I'm doing, douchebag. An education at someone else's expense is not a right.Yes
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...You want me to pay for your schools. I don't want your government brainwashing mills. You demand that I send my kids to the cesspools that you want. When are you going to pay for it yourself?
Who do you think you're fooling?
Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
Short-sighted idiot.
That’s not what you’re doing, dumbass.
That's exactly what I'm doing,....t.Yes
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...Dude. I don't have kids. So I am paying for other people's kids - like yours. We owe everyone in this country an education (that benefits America as a whole). We are rare in that we do not charge extra for education - it comes out of our general taxes. That is a pretty good system. That doesn't mean you get an elite education or a special religious education - it means you get the basics and make the best of what you have and if it sucks - you try to get your kids into something alternate. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for you.
Short-sighted idiot.
That’s not what you’re doing, dumbass.
What a jackass.That's exactly what I'm doing,....t.Yes
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.No, we don't owe everyone an education. That's the servile mentality that says we exist to serve other people's wants. ...
Short-sighted idiot.
That’s not what you’re doing, dumbass.
No, what you’re doing is whining like a selfish child.
Home schoolers are self-designated, meaning they have zero qualifications. For every success you hear about, there are many more that have to return to public schools years behind their peers in education. I know because I had to teach high schools how to divide.
You are really showing your ignorance and bias.
True, not everyone is qualified to home school their children. HOWEVER, not all parents want to do so either. There are also dozens of very high-quality homeschooling systems on-line. You're also ASSUMING that parents who wish to home school do not communicate with each other. They meet and work together. Who knew?
Those home schooling systems are free?
That petard you just hoisted yourself on, belongs to you!
I fully support home schooling if it is done properly. The problem is that I have seen disaster after disaster in my years of education that pale in comparison to the few successes I have seen. I just hate it when people lie to support their opinions.
My granddaughter was home schooled due to a speech problem that was eventually resolved and she returned to public school. She was traumatized by the other little bastards making fun of her to the point she could not learn.
My grandson had leukemia and is still continuing chemotherapy. We tried to find an inexpensive home schooling curriculum so he could be taught by his mother, my wife and myself, but the costs were ridiculous. Now, he will return to school and that Petri dish of infectious diseases that exist there wit a compromised immune system.
No surprise.........she's a charter school zealot who wants to destroy the public schools.
What a jackass.That's exactly what I'm doing,....t.Yes
Respecting natural rights is not "short sighted," moron.Short-sighted idiot.
That’s not what you’re doing, dumbass.
No, what you’re doing is whining like a selfish child.
“Every Man Able to Read”
Despite the caveats, we can generalize about patterns of literacy. In 1974, University of Montana scholar Kenneth Lockridge’s groundbreaking book, Literacy in Colonial New England, surveyed evidence from legal records and offered provisional conclusions—“The exercise is bound to be tentative, as it uses a biased sample and an ambiguous measure”—but he made the case that, among white New England men, about 60 percent of the population was literate between 1650 and 1670, a figure that rose to 85 percent between 1758 and 1762, and to 90 percent between 1787 and 1795. In cities such as Boston, the rate had come close to 100 percent by century’s end.
“Every Man Able to Read”
Despite the caveats, we can generalize about patterns of literacy. In 1974, University of Montana scholar Kenneth Lockridge’s groundbreaking book, Literacy in Colonial New England, surveyed evidence from legal records and offered provisional conclusions—“The exercise is bound to be tentative, as it uses a biased sample and an ambiguous measure”—but he made the case that, among white New England men, about 60 percent of the population was literate between 1650 and 1670, a figure that rose to 85 percent between 1758 and 1762, and to 90 percent between 1787 and 1795. In cities such as Boston, the rate had come close to 100 percent by century’s end.
True by centuries end...back over 100 years ago.
Today? Not so much!
Boston Public Schools is a public school district located in Roxbury, MA. It has 53,393 students in grades PK, K-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 14 to 1. According to state test scores, 36% of students are at least proficient in math and 38% in reading.
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Yet, literacy rates were far higher 200 years ago when there were no government schools“Every Man Able to Read”
Despite the caveats, we can generalize about patterns of literacy. In 1974, University of Montana scholar Kenneth Lockridge’s groundbreaking book, Literacy in Colonial New England, surveyed evidence from legal records and offered provisional conclusions—“The exercise is bound to be tentative, as it uses a biased sample and an ambiguous measure”—but he made the case that, among white New England men, about 60 percent of the population was literate between 1650 and 1670, a figure that rose to 85 percent between 1758 and 1762, and to 90 percent between 1787 and 1795. In cities such as Boston, the rate had come close to 100 percent by century’s end.
True by centuries end...back over 100 years ago.
Today? Not so much!
Boston Public Schools is a public school district located in Roxbury, MA. It has 53,393 students in grades PK, K-12 with a student-teacher ratio of 14 to 1. According to state test scores, 36% of students are at least proficient in math and 38% in reading.
Explore Boston Public Schools
Massachusetts public schools TODAY, which attempt to educate ALL school-aged children in contrast to 100 years ago and most other countries TODAY, are the best in the nation.
