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No. An unlicensed seller has no obligation to even know the name of the buyer. If it can be shown that the seller knowingly sells to someone not allowed to have a gun, there are repercussions, but that is hard to do. It's pretty easy to say "I didn't know" and there is no obligation to find out. I agree you should be able to loan a gun to someone you know, but there should be an obligation to actually know whether that person is allowed to have a gun.
My first gun was a BB gun I got for selling Grit Magazine door to door. My first real gun was a 410 I got for Christmas when I was 12 years old. Squirrels feared me. I'm generally against banning guns. What part of that do you want to discuss?
Oh damn I ate many of them tree rats myself! Lots of them here. Killed my first squirrel at 3-4, uncles held the gun, got lucky. BY 8-9 I was a woodchuck/groundhog eliminater and farmers loved me, 22, 222, even a 308 winnie. Shot 81 one year,,,, years before having a driver license But drove anyway) Cheif police pulled me and unc over once, I was about 13, back farm roads. "Isn't he a little young"? Unc says "he got to learn sometime" Then Chief pulls a 22 revolver and has me shoot the street sign (hit it 6 times too). My how times have changed.
About banning? WHY!!! Mostly based on looks? Fienstien defined "assualt gun" Ban sunsetted in 10 years. Senate subcomitte said "the ban was useless. Crime with so called "assualt guns" actually went up in those 10 years, like 2.6 to 2.8 %
That's a ban. They have a similar bans in the works constantly. Why if it is worthless? Look at VA, dunces.
It's about people control, not gunz control the retards.
Use the laws we already have. For instance very few report to NICS/FBI as required. Which is why people can go to a gunstore and buy, like the EX AF guy mass shooter (tx I think) He was a BCD, can't buy one but AF never reported him? Why not? One fed agency to another, take 2 minutes. People go into nutward lockups released and never reported? That's problems, bans won't solve.
Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts
"Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts"
That's sure to win him the votes of thousands of gun owners.
Right?
Sure, I agree the database needs to be maintained better. I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps penalties for not reporting what should be reported. I keep hearing about some nefarious ban in the works, but they never materialze. Sounds like just more fearmongering to me. Common sense gun owners (not gun nuts) will never go for a ban, but do want common sense regulations. More than 90% want universal background checks. for individual sales. If there were another way to obligate a seller to find out if a buyer is allowed to have a gun, that would be fine too, but I don't know what that might be.
Or their foul four.Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts
"Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts"
That's sure to win him the votes of thousands of gun owners.
Right?
Joe is already admitting he can’t run the country. He’s going to let the Hillary & Hussein Cabal run the White House.
No. An unlicensed seller has no obligation to even know the name of the buyer. If it can be shown that the seller knowingly sells to someone not allowed to have a gun, there are repercussions, but that is hard to do. It's pretty easy to say "I didn't know" and there is no obligation to find out. I agree you should be able to loan a gun to someone you know, but there should be an obligation to actually know whether that person is allowed to have a gun.
Sold them for decades, yes it is a problem. Talk to an agent and clear yourself up on that, friendly knowledgeble people. I had BATFe here every year, they could/ and would explain that to you.
In reality? No, it's worthless for the most part.
Yes, know the person you loan to for sure! Family one kinda knows. Aqquaint, nope. I don't sell or loan. Come here stand next to me and target shoot is as far as it goes. Didn't do Chris Kyle much good though.
Universal background checks would be a good start.
Had them since 93. Hows it working for you in Chiraq, Baltimore, NYC
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, and was launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998. The NICS is used by FFLs to check the eligibility of those who wish to purchase firearms.
No you haven't. Background checks are only done for licensed dealers.
Sure, I agree the database needs to be maintained better. I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps penalties for not reporting what should be reported. I keep hearing about some nefarious ban in the works, but they never materialze. Sounds like just more fearmongering to me. Common sense gun owners (not gun nuts) will never go for a ban, but do want common sense regulations. More than 90% want universal background checks. for individual sales. If there were another way to obligate a seller to find out if a buyer is allowed to have a gun, that would be fine too, but I don't know what that might be.
That's been the problem, I lived this shit. There were people I refused a sale to even though they could have passed a NICS. I knew them and what they were.
I got a prob with common sense control, govt doesn not have common sense. I feel we have enough laws now, just enforce them, use them.
Many responsible gun owners wouldn't sell to someone they don't know. Many will. Since there is no legal obligation to know anything about the purchaser we both know lots of people who will be happy to sell to anybody. You can't count on everybody to be as responsible as you say you are. Temporarily loaning a gun to a relative for a specific hunting trip is probably not as much of a problem as selling to someone you don't know anything about.
So you're good with individual sellers selling to buyers who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, and with no obligation to know or find out the buyer's status? You're good with that?
Many responsible gun owners wouldn't sell to someone they don't know. Many will. Since there is no legal obligation to know anything about the purchaser we both know lots of people who will be happy to sell to anybody. You can't count on everybody to be as responsible as you say you are. Temporarily loaning a gun to a relative for a specific hunting trip is probably not as much of a problem as selling to someone you don't know anything about.
There is a legal obligation, just non dealers know nothing about it. Talk to BATFe as I suggested.
You're right though there are some responsible sellers and many more are not. We have a 400 mile yard sale every year, gunz and ammo galore. No questions asked. I don't go. I do what I feel is right, always have.
Just feel strongly MORE gun control is not the answer. Use what we have now. 10000+ gun laws is enough
Universal background checks would be a good start.
Had them since 93. Hows it working for you in Chiraq, Baltimore, NYC
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, and was launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998. The NICS is used by FFLs to check the eligibility of those who wish to purchase firearms.
No you haven't. Background checks are only done for licensed dealers.
Universal background checks would be a good start.
Had them since 93. Hows it working for you in Chiraq, Baltimore, NYC
The National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) was mandated by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, and was launched by the FBI on November 30, 1998. The NICS is used by FFLs to check the eligibility of those who wish to purchase firearms.
No you haven't. Background checks are only done for licensed dealers.
I retired as a licensed dealer, manufacturer. Had 01, 03, 07 manufactures, clsss 2 sot (NFA)
It really does go deeper than most realize.
If one DOES sell a gun private, better know everything about the buyer. Pot user, felon, BCD anything. BATFe finds out or he commits a crime, you're down for the count. Big time. Who knows that? I do
All my guns, 45 of them are on BATFe records.
Once I retired years ago, never sold another firearm.
Are private sales a problem? They can be. But then again libs are going so far as you can't even loan a deer rifle to a relative gonna be 50 feet from you in the woods hunting.
No. An unlicensed seller has no obligation to even know the name of the buyer. If it can be shown that the seller knowingly sells to someone not allowed to have a gun, there are repercussions, but that is hard to do. It's pretty easy to say "I didn't know" and there is no obligation to find out. I agree you should be able to loan a gun to someone you know, but there should be an obligation to actually know whether that person is allowed to have a gun.
My first gun was a BB gun I got for selling Grit Magazine door to door. My first real gun was a 410 I got for Christmas when I was 12 years old. Squirrels feared me. I'm generally against banning guns. What part of that do you want to discuss?
Oh damn I ate many of them tree rats myself! Lots of them here. Killed my first squirrel at 3-4, uncles held the gun, got lucky. BY 8-9 I was a woodchuck/groundhog eliminater and farmers loved me, 22, 222, even a 308 winnie. Shot 81 one year,,,, years before having a driver license But drove anyway) Cheif police pulled me and unc over once, I was about 13, back farm roads. "Isn't he a little young"? Unc says "he got to learn sometime" Then Chief pulls a 22 revolver and has me shoot the street sign (hit it 6 times too). My how times have changed.
About banning? WHY!!! Mostly based on looks? Fienstien defined "assualt gun" Ban sunsetted in 10 years. Senate subcomitte said "the ban was useless. Crime with so called "assualt guns" actually went up in those 10 years, like 2.6 to 2.8 %
That's a ban. They have a similar bans in the works constantly. Why if it is worthless? Look at VA, dunces.
It's about people control, not gunz control the retards.
Use the laws we already have. For instance very few report to NICS/FBI as required. Which is why people can go to a gunstore and buy, like the EX AF guy mass shooter (tx I think) He was a BCD, can't buy one but AF never reported him? Why not? One fed agency to another, take 2 minutes. People go into nutward lockups released and never reported? That's problems, bans won't solve.
Sure, I agree the database needs to be maintained better. I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps penalties for not reporting what should be reported. I keep hearing about some nefarious ban in the works, but they never materialze. Sounds like just more fearmongering to me. Common sense gun owners (not gun nuts) will never go for a ban, but do want common sense regulations. More than 90% want universal background checks. for individual sales. If there were another way to obligate a seller to find out if a buyer is allowed to have a gun, that would be fine too, but I don't know what that might be.
My first gun was a BB gun I got for selling Grit Magazine door to door. My first real gun was a 410 I got for Christmas when I was 12 years old. Squirrels feared me. I'm generally against banning guns. What part of that do you want to discuss?
Oh damn I ate many of them tree rats myself! Lots of them here. Killed my first squirrel at 3-4, uncles held the gun, got lucky. BY 8-9 I was a woodchuck/groundhog eliminater and farmers loved me, 22, 222, even a 308 winnie. Shot 81 one year,,,, years before having a driver license But drove anyway) Cheif police pulled me and unc over once, I was about 13, back farm roads. "Isn't he a little young"? Unc says "he got to learn sometime" Then Chief pulls a 22 revolver and has me shoot the street sign (hit it 6 times too). My how times have changed.
About banning? WHY!!! Mostly based on looks? Fienstien defined "assualt gun" Ban sunsetted in 10 years. Senate subcomitte said "the ban was useless. Crime with so called "assualt guns" actually went up in those 10 years, like 2.6 to 2.8 %
That's a ban. They have a similar bans in the works constantly. Why if it is worthless? Look at VA, dunces.
It's about people control, not gunz control the retards.
Use the laws we already have. For instance very few report to NICS/FBI as required. Which is why people can go to a gunstore and buy, like the EX AF guy mass shooter (tx I think) He was a BCD, can't buy one but AF never reported him? Why not? One fed agency to another, take 2 minutes. People go into nutward lockups released and never reported? That's problems, bans won't solve.
Sure, I agree the database needs to be maintained better. I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps penalties for not reporting what should be reported. I keep hearing about some nefarious ban in the works, but they never materialze. Sounds like just more fearmongering to me. Common sense gun owners (not gun nuts) will never go for a ban, but do want common sense regulations. More than 90% want universal background checks. for individual sales. If there were another way to obligate a seller to find out if a buyer is allowed to have a gun, that would be fine too, but I don't know what that might be.
No. An unlicensed seller has no obligation to even know the name of the buyer. If it can be shown that the seller knowingly sells to someone not allowed to have a gun, there are repercussions, but that is hard to do. It's pretty easy to say "I didn't know" and there is no obligation to find out. I agree you should be able to loan a gun to someone you know, but there should be an obligation to actually know whether that person is allowed to have a gun.
Sold them for decades, yes it is a problem. Talk to an agent and clear yourself up on that, friendly knowledgeble people. I had BATFe here every year, they could/ and would explain that to you.
In reality? No, it's worthless for the most part.
Yes, know the person you loan to for sure! Family one kinda knows. Aqquaint, nope. I don't sell or loan. Come here stand next to me and target shoot is as far as it goes. Didn't do Chris Kyle much good though.
Many responsible gun owners wouldn't sell to someone they don't know. Many will. Since there is no legal obligation to know anything about the purchaser we both know lots of people who will be happy to sell to anybody. You can't count on everybody to be as responsible as you say you are. Temporarily loaning a gun to a relative for a specific hunting trip is probably not as much of a problem as selling to someone you don't know anything about.
So you're good with individual sellers selling to buyers who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, and with no obligation to know or find out the buyer's status? You're good with that?
No I am absolutely not.
There is problems with a TOTAL universal check. Biggest is NICS can't handle what they do not, they are always down.
Would it help if I was to do a background check to sell my nephew a rifle when we got chiraq and other bad cities steal and sell? They aren't gonna do nics. Come on, how does one stop that crap?
I am unaware of any obligation for an individual seller to know or find out the staus of a buyer. Can you quote that rule or give a link? If that is true, it might change my mind on the subject.
So you're good with individual sellers selling to buyers who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, and with no obligation to know or find out the buyer's status? You're good with that?
No I am absolutely not.
There is problems with a TOTAL universal check. Biggest is NICS can't handle what they do not, they are always down.
Would it help if I was to do a background check to sell my nephew a rifle when we got chiraq and other bad cities steal and sell? They aren't gonna do nics. Come on, how does one stop that crap?
So you're good with individual sellers selling to buyers who shouldn't be allowed to have a gun, and with no obligation to know or find out the buyer's status? You're good with that?
No I am absolutely not.
There is problems with a TOTAL universal check. Biggest is NICS can't handle what they do not, they are always down.
Would it help if I was to do a background check to sell my nephew a rifle when we got chiraq and other bad cities steal and sell? They aren't gonna do nics. Come on, how does one stop that crap?
If you know your nephew (some don't know much about their relatives) and are willing to vouch for him and accept responsibility for an illegal sale if he is found to be unable to own a gun, I see no reason why you should have to do a background check. I have no problem if a seller vouches for any buyer if he is willing to take responsibility for the sale. My problem comes when the seller knows nothing about the buyer, and there is no obligation or responsibility for the seller. to even know the buyer's name.
