Can government check ID to buy a gun and vote?

[NYcarbineer]

Voting is not a constitutional right?

Ha, first good laugh of the day.

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

So are gun ownership requirements.

Really? Where, in Constitution 2.0?

The COTUS doesn't give citizens the right to vote?

No, it doesn't. Try to find the text that says it does, good luck with that.

There are restrictions on why you don't allow someone to vote. For example, you can't say it's for their race and you can't charge a poll tax. Nowhere does it say you have a right to vote

Wrong.

The phrase appears for the first time in theFourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

...that's for starters.

 

[BluesLegend]

Requiring ID to vote is totally Different if you know what I mean.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Second Amendment: "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Fifteenth amendment: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged..."

you missed the rest of it, it's a critical difference. Are you being dishonest or are you actually functionally illiterate?

The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state ... on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

It says States cannot restrict voting FOR THOSE REASONS

...which makes voting a right.

 

[2aguy]

If voting is a right as is gun ownership, then obviously no extra fees, fines or taxes can be imposed on those rights….nor can their be tests of any kind that might infringe on those rights…right?

And if background checks can be used to deny people the right to own a gun….and race and the other categories can be secretly used to deny Americans their Right to guns…then background checks are unconstitutional.

 

[martybegan]

Voting is not a constitutional right?

Ha, first good laugh of the day.

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

So are gun ownership requirements.

Really? Where, in Constitution 2.0?

The COTUS doesn't give citizens the right to vote?

No, it doesn't. Try to find the text that says it does, good luck with that.

There are restrictions on why you don't allow someone to vote. For example, you can't say it's for their race and you can't charge a poll tax. Nowhere does it say you have a right to vote

Wrong.

The phrase appears for the first time in theFourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

...that's for starters.

Actually all it does is reduce congressional representation, it doesn't ban anything.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Requiring ID to vote is totally Different if you know what I mean.

Voting is not a constitutional right?

Ha, first good laugh of the day.

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

Voting rights have also been secured by federal legislation.

Only for certain conditions, not overall voting rights.

There's no difference between the distinctions you're making.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

So are gun ownership requirements.

Really? Where, in Constitution 2.0?

The COTUS doesn't give citizens the right to vote?

No, it doesn't. Try to find the text that says it does, good luck with that.

There are restrictions on why you don't allow someone to vote. For example, you can't say it's for their race and you can't charge a poll tax. Nowhere does it say you have a right to vote

Wrong.

The phrase appears for the first time in theFourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

...that's for starters.

Actually all it does is reduce congressional representation, it doesn't ban anything.

Please. Even you should be able to figure out that the right to vote includes the right to the vote being counted.

 

[martybegan]

So are gun ownership requirements.

Really? Where, in Constitution 2.0?

The COTUS doesn't give citizens the right to vote?

No, it doesn't. Try to find the text that says it does, good luck with that.

There are restrictions on why you don't allow someone to vote. For example, you can't say it's for their race and you can't charge a poll tax. Nowhere does it say you have a right to vote

Wrong.

The phrase appears for the first time in theFourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

...that's for starters.

Actually all it does is reduce congressional representation, it doesn't ban anything.

Please. Even you should be able to figure out that the right to vote includes the right to the vote being counted.

Under this amendment, they could deny voting to the persons as described, and it would only have impact on their # of electors for president, and their representation in the house.

The 15th amendment is a far better example, but again, it only gives certain limits to voter requirements.

 

[BluesLegend]

Requiring ID to vote is totally Different if you know what I mean.

Voting is not a constitutional right?

Ha, first good laugh of the day.

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

Voting rights have also been secured by federal legislation.

Only for certain conditions, not overall voting rights.

There's no difference between the distinctions you're making.

(wink wink) I understand, mums the word on Dem hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 19th Amendment -

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Note that the amendments opens by declaring that there is in fact right to vote.

 

[martybegan]

The 19th Amendment -

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Note that the amendments opens by declaring that there is in fact right to vote.

again, specific to sex.

 

[HenryBHough]

WTF?

I recently vored in two elections and had to show iD or have my vote automatically quesrioned and not even considered unless rhere were enough questioned ballots to possibly change the rally of votes cast after showing ID. Last gun purchase? ID photo required was that on each bill in a stack of twenties.

 

[g5000]

If voting is a right as is gun ownership, then obviously no extra fees, fines or taxes can be imposed on those rights….nor can their be tests of any kind that might infringe on those rights…right?

And if background checks can be used to deny people the right to own a gun….and race and the other categories can be secretly used to deny Americans their Right to guns…then background checks are unconstitutional.

Except background checks are not used to deny a race access to guns, nor are they used to deny people the right to own a gun other than criminals and other undesirables through due process.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Requiring ID to vote is totally Different if you know what I mean.

Voting is not a constitutional right?

Ha, first good laugh of the day.

Voter requirements are up to the States, but regulated by several amendments to the constitution that limit who they can restrict.

Voting rights have also been secured by federal legislation.

Only for certain conditions, not overall voting rights.

There's no difference between the distinctions you're making.

(wink wink) I understand, mums the word on Dem hypocrisy and double standards.

I have no double standard.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Really? Where, in Constitution 2.0?

The COTUS doesn't give citizens the right to vote?

No, it doesn't. Try to find the text that says it does, good luck with that.

There are restrictions on why you don't allow someone to vote. For example, you can't say it's for their race and you can't charge a poll tax. Nowhere does it say you have a right to vote

Wrong.

The phrase appears for the first time in theFourteenth Amendment, which says that states shall lose congressional representation "when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime."

...that's for starters.

Actually all it does is reduce congressional representation, it doesn't ban anything.

Please. Even you should be able to figure out that the right to vote includes the right to the vote being counted.

Under this amendment, they could deny voting to the persons as described, and it would only have impact on their # of electors for president, and their representation in the house.

The 15th amendment is a far better example, but again, it only gives certain limits to voter requirements.

The above amendment directly refers to 'the right to vote'. If there is no such thing, why is it mentioned?

 

[NYcarbineer]

26th Amendment:

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]

Once again, explicit reference to the existence of the right to vote in this country. The Amendment goes on to prohibit a specific limitation or denial of that RIGHT.

 

[g5000]

We deny the right to vote to felons.

We deny the right to arms to felons.

Both of these denials are accomplished constitutionally through due process.

To ensure a felon does not vote, we do not register the felon to vote. No Voter ID needed. He never gets on the list of registered voters. If you aren't on the list, you can't vote. No matter where you go, if you aren't on the list, you can't vote.

To ensure a felon does not buy a gun, we enter his name in a database which will spit out a denial whenever that database is queried. No matter where you go, the database will spit out a denial.

This is not complicated to understand...if you want to.

80,000 felons and fugitives and other undesirables are denied the purchase of a gun every year due to background checks. Background checks are remarkably effective.

No one has ever shown Voter ID is the only way to prevent or stop the types of voter fraud which occur. Every single example of voter fraud ever upchucked by Voter ID proponents on this forum over the past several years could not have been stopped or prevented only by Voter ID. In fact, almost every example of voter fraud the rubes have given as examples were absentee voter fraud or voting more than once in different voting precincts. Voter ID does nothing to stop this fraud.

The rest of their scenarios have been imaginary ones.

You can defeat those rare cases of the dead voting by simply purging the dead from voter registration lists.

Nope. Voter ID is completely ineffective, and in fact gives the Voter ID rubes a false sense of security. Everywhere Voter ID is the law, the same types of voter fraud continue unabated. The big scary black woman the Voter ID rubes like to tout for voting six times for Obama achieved her fraud in a state which has strict Voter ID.

Background checks: effective. Voter ID: ineffective.

So the long and short of all this is that comparing background checks to Voter ID is an apples to oranges fallacy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The 19th Amendment -

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Note that the amendments opens by declaring that there is in fact right to vote.

again, specific to sex.

Again, not relevant. "The right of citizens of the United States TO VOTE..."

The amendment identifies the RIGHT as already existing.

 

[g5000]

The 19th Amendment -

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Note that the amendments opens by declaring that there is in fact right to vote.

again, specific to sex.

Again, not relevant. "The right of citizens of the United States TO VOTE..."

The amendment identifies the RIGHT as already existing.

You'll never get through to some dunces. Don't waste your time.

 

[BluesLegend]

Liberals in blue states routinely require poor minorities to produce multiple forms of ID...wait for it...to get a fishing license. So why the epic double standard when it comes to voting? Why do liberals hate the poor who just want to fish and hunt to feed themselves why are the liberals racist lmao OH SNAP!