Church goers must take their firearms with them to Church

[Skull Pilot]

Wrong again... lol
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

a very SMALL increase but over the past 20 years a marked decline.

That increase is insignificant as compared to the steady decline over the past 2 or 3 decades

Seems to increase with concealed carry

Correlation is not causation.

That violent crime stat seemed to increase because of all the peaceful riots we have had over the past few years

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

 

[Skull Pilot]

You assume that if someone didn't have a gun the murder wouldn't occur.

Well we don't see mass shootings constantly in other civilized countries. Police aren't shooting people regularly either. And their police aren't constantly being gunned down.

REALLY?

Norway, Oslo/Utoeya (2011) 77
Australia, Port Arthur (1996) 35
Brazil (1997) 17
Scotland, Dunblane (1996) 17
Germany, Erfurt (2002) 16
England, Hungerford (1987) 16
Germany, Winnenden (2009) 15
Switzerland, Zug (2001) 14
New Zealand, Aramoana (1990) 13
France, Toulon (1995) 13
Azerbaijan, Baku (2009) 12
Finland, Kauhajok (2008) 10
Canada, Montreal (1989) 9
France, Nanterre (2002) 8
Finland, Tuusula (2007) 8
Japan, Osaka (2001) 8

Do some research

That is many countries over the course of many years. We have them regularly in this one country. We wish there were years between them. Name once country that is even close.

Looks like more guns leads to more shootings.

more pools leads to more drownings

 

[Brain357]

Like Israel would work.

Why would it work? Strict gun laws haven't worked in the UK.

Really? How many mass shootings there? Do police die weekly? How many people are their police shooting?

Don't know don't care. You're the one with a hard on for gun laws you tell me.

Your entire premise is that removing guns from society stop crime.

It's simply not true.

Mass shooting are a complete red herring. 1% of all murder occur in mass shootings. I don't know about you but if I want to address murder I' think I'd rather start where the most murder happen.

So I guess it did work in the U.K.

No it didn't. The murder rate in the UK is higher than it was before all the gun laws bans and confiscations

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

1950 UK murder rate .8/100000
2010 UK murder rate 1.14/100000

1950 US murder rate 4.6/100000
2010 US murder rate 4.8/100000

So now tell me how all those gun laws in the UK passed in the 60's and later and included bans and confiscations lowered the murder rate in the UK

How many mass ahootings? Police shootings?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I love Israeli women because they know how to carry a SAW.
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We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

 

[Brain357]

Violent crimes and murders increased in 2016 for a second consecutive year, FBI says

a very SMALL increase but over the past 20 years a marked decline.

That increase is insignificant as compared to the steady decline over the past 2 or 3 decades

Seems to increase with concealed carry

Correlation is not causation.

That violent crime stat seemed to increase because of all the peaceful riots we have had over the past few years

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why would it work? Strict gun laws haven't worked in the UK.

Really? How many mass shootings there? Do police die weekly? How many people are their police shooting?

Don't know don't care. You're the one with a hard on for gun laws you tell me.

Your entire premise is that removing guns from society stop crime.

It's simply not true.

Mass shooting are a complete red herring. 1% of all murder occur in mass shootings. I don't know about you but if I want to address murder I' think I'd rather start where the most murder happen.

So I guess it did work in the U.K.

No it didn't. The murder rate in the UK is higher than it was before all the gun laws bans and confiscations

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

1950 UK murder rate .8/100000
2010 UK murder rate 1.14/100000

1950 US murder rate 4.6/100000
2010 US murder rate 4.8/100000

So now tell me how all those gun laws in the UK passed in the 60's and later and included bans and confiscations lowered the murder rate in the UK

How many mass ahootings? Police shootings?

Doesn't matter.

Mass shooting in the US account for 1% of all murder so even if we eliminated them completely the murder rate would not be lowered by any meaningful amount

 

[Brain357]

I love Israeli women because they know how to carry a SAW.
View attachment 151445

We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

Which neither you or I have needed. You just arm more criminals.

 

[Skull Pilot]

a very SMALL increase but over the past 20 years a marked decline.

That increase is insignificant as compared to the steady decline over the past 2 or 3 decades

Seems to increase with concealed carry

Correlation is not causation.

That violent crime stat seemed to increase because of all the peaceful riots we have had over the past few years

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

 

[Brain357]

Really? How many mass shootings there? Do police die weekly? How many people are their police shooting?

Don't know don't care. You're the one with a hard on for gun laws you tell me.

Your entire premise is that removing guns from society stop crime.

It's simply not true.

Mass shooting are a complete red herring. 1% of all murder occur in mass shootings. I don't know about you but if I want to address murder I' think I'd rather start where the most murder happen.

So I guess it did work in the U.K.

No it didn't. The murder rate in the UK is higher than it was before all the gun laws bans and confiscations

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

1950 UK murder rate .8/100000
2010 UK murder rate 1.14/100000

1950 US murder rate 4.6/100000
2010 US murder rate 4.8/100000

So now tell me how all those gun laws in the UK passed in the 60's and later and included bans and confiscations lowered the murder rate in the UK

How many mass ahootings? Police shootings?

Doesn't matter.

Mass shooting in the US account for 1% of all murder so even if we eliminated them completely the murder rate would not be lowered by any meaningful amount

Police shootings raised the violent crime rate. We have police shootings because of too many guns.

 

[Brain357]

Seems to increase with concealed carry

Correlation is not causation.

That violent crime stat seemed to increase because of all the peaceful riots we have had over the past few years

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

 

[Skull Pilot]

I love Israeli women because they know how to carry a SAW.
View attachment 151445

We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

Which neither you or I have needed. You just arm more criminals.

I have not armed any criminals.
I have not committed any crimes
I have been shooting since I was 8 and have owned guns since I was 16
Have had my carry permit for almost 30 years

If guns cause crime tell me why I have never committed a crime?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Correlation is not causation.

That violent crime stat seemed to increase because of all the peaceful riots we have had over the past few years

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

If lives matter then why don't you concentrate most on what actually kills the most people?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't know don't care. You're the one with a hard on for gun laws you tell me.

Your entire premise is that removing guns from society stop crime.

It's simply not true.

Mass shooting are a complete red herring. 1% of all murder occur in mass shootings. I don't know about you but if I want to address murder I' think I'd rather start where the most murder happen.

So I guess it did work in the U.K.

No it didn't. The murder rate in the UK is higher than it was before all the gun laws bans and confiscations

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

1950 UK murder rate .8/100000
2010 UK murder rate 1.14/100000

1950 US murder rate 4.6/100000
2010 US murder rate 4.8/100000

So now tell me how all those gun laws in the UK passed in the 60's and later and included bans and confiscations lowered the murder rate in the UK

How many mass ahootings? Police shootings?

Doesn't matter.

Mass shooting in the US account for 1% of all murder so even if we eliminated them completely the murder rate would not be lowered by any meaningful amount

Police shootings raised the violent crime rate. We have police shootings because of too many guns.

No police shootings are not crimes in almost all of the cases of police shootings.

Piece of shit criminals who rioted caused the spike in crimes

 

[Brain357]

I love Israeli women because they know how to carry a SAW.
View attachment 151445

We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

Which neither you or I have needed. You just arm more criminals.

I have not armed any criminals.
I have not committed any crimes
I have been shooting since I was 8 and have owned guns since I was 16
Have had my carry permit for almost 30 years

If guns cause crime tell me why I have never committed a crime?

How many defenses?

 

[Brain357]

Riots because of police shootings which are caused by too many guns.

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

If lives matter then why don't you concentrate most on what actually kills the most people?

We have lots of gun deaths.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I love Israeli women because they know how to carry a SAW.
View attachment 151445

We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

Which neither you or I have needed. You just arm more criminals.

I have not armed any criminals.
I have not committed any crimes
I have been shooting since I was 8 and have owned guns since I was 16
Have had my carry permit for almost 30 years

If guns cause crime tell me why I have never committed a crime?

How many defenses?

1

 

[Skull Pilot]

Guns do not cause anything.
People and only people are responsible for crimes

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

If lives matter then why don't you concentrate most on what actually kills the most people?

We have lots of gun deaths.

Not compared to some other causes of deaths

Why do you refuse to answer the question as to how all those UK gun laws didn't lower but rather increased their murder rate?

 

[Brain357]

It's not coincidence we are the mass shooting capital of the world.

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

If lives matter then why don't you concentrate most on what actually kills the most people?

We have lots of gun deaths.

Not compared to some other causes of deaths

Why do you refuse to answer the question as to how all those UK gun laws didn't lower but rather increased their murder rate?

I'm not claiming it will magically lower crime. But it sure seems to lower mass shootings. And our police will be much safer. And not shooting so many will make them more effective. This arms race just leads to more killing.

 

[Brain357]

We will be much safer with Israel gun laws.

no we won't.

I'll be less safe so will you because you will have had the right to defend yourself with the best tool for self defense taken away from you

Which neither you or I have needed. You just arm more criminals.

I have not armed any criminals.
I have not committed any crimes
I have been shooting since I was 8 and have owned guns since I was 16
Have had my carry permit for almost 30 years

If guns cause crime tell me why I have never committed a crime?

How many defenses?

1

I was pretty sure you said none before. Any details?

 

[Skull Pilot]

It doesn't matter. Why are you hung up on the cause of 1% of all the murders in this country?

Lives matter. Police lives, school shootings, church shootings...

If lives matter then why don't you concentrate most on what actually kills the most people?

We have lots of gun deaths.

Not compared to some other causes of deaths

Why do you refuse to answer the question as to how all those UK gun laws didn't lower but rather increased their murder rate?

I'm not claiming it will magically lower crime. But it sure seems to lower mass shootings. And out police will be much safer. And not shooting so many will make them more effective. This arms race just leads to more killing.

So all you care about is what causes 1% of all murders.

And how is taking guns away from people who will never ever shoot a cop going to make cops safer?