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Why do you hate science Daws ?

Everyone is in agreement with this except the loons.

So where did the matter come from Daws ?
appealing to nonexistent authority
again! "Everyone" who the fuck is everyone?...you must mean that tiny group of willfully ignorant bible thumping halfwits called creationists.
who circle jerk to pseudoscience and mis understood passages of the bible.
when in reality the are the laughing stock of scientists, the general public and their fellow Christians.

The heads of the fields of science.

Dodge !!!
yours is a dodge the heads of what fields in what sciences

if your talking about entropy everyone excepts it as fact but not that god did it. so again you're intentionally misrepresenting the facts .
as to this: If the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This is the maximum possible age far too young for evolution and much younger than the radiometric dating method assigned to moon rocks. What say you ?

i say your're full of shit:

Modern dating methodsRadiometric dating has been carried out since 1905 when it was invented by Ernest Rutherford as a method by which one might determine the age of the Earth. In the century since then the techniques have been greatly improved and expanded.[14] Dating can now be performed on samples as small as a nanogram using a mass spectrometer. The mass spectrometer was invented in the 1940s and began to be used in radiometric dating in the 1950s. The mass spectrometer operates by generating a beam of ionized atoms from the sample under test. The ions then travel through a magnetic field, which diverts them into different sampling sensors, known as "Faraday cups", depending on their mass and level of ionization. On impact in the cups, the ions set up a very weak current that can be measured to determine the rate of impacts and the relative concentrations of different atoms in the beams.

[edit] Uranium-lead dating methodMain article: uranium-lead dating

A concordia diagram as used in uranium-lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[16] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[11]The uranium-lead radiometric dating scheme has been refined to the point that the error margin in dates of rocks can be as low as less than two million years in two-and-a-half billion years.[12][17] An error margin of 2–5 % has been achieved on younger Mesozoic rocks.[18]

Uranium-lead dating is often performed on the mineral zircon (ZrSiO4), though it can be used on other materials, such as baddeleyite.[19] Zircon and baddeleyite incorporate uranium atoms into their crystalline structure as substitutes for zirconium, but strongly reject lead. It has a very high closure temperature, is resistant to mechanical weathering and is very chemically inert. Zircon also forms multiple crystal layers during metamorphic events, which each may record an isotopic age of the event. In situ micro-beam analysis can be achieved via laser ICP-MS or SIMS techniques.[20]

One of its great advantages is that any sample provides two clocks, one based on uranium-235's decay to lead-207 with a half-life of about 700 million years, and one based on uranium-238's decay to lead-206 with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, providing a built-in crosscheck that allows accurate determination of the age of the sample even if some of the lead has been lost. This can be seen in the concordia diagram, where the samples plot along an errorchron (straight line) which intersects the concordia curve at the age of the sample.

[edit] Samarium-neodymium dating methodMain article: Samarium-neodymium dating
This involves the alpha-decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half-life of 1.06 x 1011 years. Accuracy levels of less than twenty million years in two-and-a-half billion years are achievable.[21]

[edit] Potassium-argon dating methodMain article: Potassium-argon dating
This involves electron capture or positron decay of potassium-40 to argon-40. Potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years, and so this method is applicable to the oldest rocks. Radioactive potassium-40 is common in micas, feldspars, and hornblendes, though the closure temperature is fairly low in these materials, about 125°C (mica) to 450°C (hornblende).

[edit] Rubidium-strontium dating methodMain article: Rubidium-strontium dating
This is based on the beta decay of rubidium-87 to strontium-87, with a half-life of 50 billion years. This scheme is used to date old igneous and metamorphic rocks, and has also been used to date lunar samples. Closure temperatures are so high that they are not a concern. Rubidium-strontium dating is not as precise as the uranium-lead method, with errors of 30 to 50 million years for a 3-billion-year-old sample.

[edit] Uranium-thorium dating methodMain article: uranium-thorium dating
A relatively short-range dating technique is based on the decay of uranium-234 into thorium-230, a substance with a half-life of about 80,000 years. It is accompanied by a sister process, in which uranium-235 decays into protactinium-231, which has a half-life of 34,300 years.

While uranium is water-soluble, thorium and protactinium are not, and so they are selectively precipitated into ocean-floor sediments, from which their ratios are measured. The scheme has a range of several hundred thousand years. A related method is ionium-thorium dating, which measures the ratio of ionium (thorium-230) to thorium-232 in ocean sediment.

[edit] Radiocarbon dating methodMain article: Radiocarbon dating

Ale's Stones at Kåseberga, around ten kilometres south east of Ystad, Sweden were dated at 600 CE using the carbon-14 method on organic material found at the site.[22]Carbon-14 is a radioactive isotope of carbon, with a half-life of 5,730 years,[23][24] which is very short compared with the above isotopes. In other radiometric dating methods, the heavy parent isotopes were produced by nucleosynthesis in supernovas, meaning that any parent isotope with a short half-life should be extinct by now. Carbon-14, though, is continuously created through collisions of neutrons generated by cosmic rays with nitrogen in the upper atmosphere and thus remains at a near-constant level on Earth. The carbon-14 ends up as a trace component in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2).

An organism acquires carbon during its lifetime. Plants acquire it through photosynthesis, and animals acquire it from consumption of plants and other animals. When an organism dies, it ceases to take in new carbon-14, and the existing isotope decays with a characteristic half-life (5730 years). The proportion of carbon-14 left when the remains of the organism are examined provides an indication of the time elapsed since its death. The carbon-14 dating limit lies around 58,000 to 62,000 years.[25]

The rate of creation of carbon-14 appears to be roughly constant, as cross-checks of carbon-14 dating with other dating methods show it gives consistent results. However, local eruptions of volcanoes or other events that give off large amounts of carbon dioxide can reduce local concentrations of carbon-14 and give inaccurate dates. The releases of carbon dioxide into the biosphere as a consequence of industrialization have also depressed the proportion of carbon-14 by a few percent; conversely, the amount of carbon-14 was increased by above-ground nuclear bomb tests that were conducted into the early 1960s. Also, an increase in the solar wind or the Earth's magnetic field above the current value would depress the amount of carbon-14 created in the atmosphere. These effects are corrected for by the calibration of the radiocarbon dating scale.[26]

[edit] Fission track dating methodMain article: fission track dating

Apatite crystals are widely used in fission track dating.This involves inspection of a polished slice of a material to determine the density of "track" markings left in it by the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 impurities. The uranium content of the sample has to be known, but that can be determined by placing a plastic film over the polished slice of the material, and bombarding it with slow neutrons. This causes induced fission of 235U, as opposed to the spontaneous fission of 238U. The fission tracks produced by this process are recorded in the plastic film. The uranium content of the material can then be calculated from the number of tracks and the neutron flux.

This scheme has application over a wide range of geologic dates. For dates up to a few million years micas, tektites (glass fragments from volcanic eruptions), and meteorites are best used. Older materials can be dated using zircon, apatite, titanite, epidote and garnet which have a variable amount of uranium content.[27] Because the fission tracks are healed by temperatures over about 200°C the technique has limitations as well as benefits. The technique has potential applications for detailing the thermal history of a deposit.

[edit] Chlorine-36 dating methodLarge amounts of otherwise rare 36Cl were produced by irradiation of seawater during atmospheric detonations of nuclear weapons between 1952 and 1958. The residence time of 36Cl in the atmosphere is about 1 week. Thus, as an event marker of 1950s water in soil and ground water, 36Cl is also useful for dating waters less than 50 years before the present. 36Cl has seen use in other areas of the geological sciences, including dating ice and sediments.

[edit] Luminescence dating methodsMain articles: Optical dating and Thermoluminescence dating
Natural sources of radiation in the environment knock loose electrons in, say, a piece of pottery, and these electrons accumulate in defects in the material's crystal lattice structure. Heating or illuminating the object will release the captured electrons, producing a luminescence. When the sample is heated, at a certain temperature it will glow from the emission of electrons released from the defects, and this glow can be used to estimate the age of the sample to a threshold of approximately 15 percent of its true age. The date of a rock is reset when volcanic activity remelts it. The date of a piece of pottery is reset by the heat of the kiln. Typically temperatures greater than 400 degrees Celsius will reset the "clock". This is termed thermoluminescence.

[edit] Other methodsOther methods include:

argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
uranium-uranium (U-U)
 
I think you will find that secular laws are far more fair than the laws of the Christian gods.

No need to whine like a petulant child. There are no references to Christian principles in the constitution.

No surprise. Your behavior remains unchanged in the 5 years since the Islam. forums.

You STILL dodged the question and even a 3rd grader reading this could see why. Because there are no incidences that you can find. Your references to Old Testament teachings regarding the Law of Moses don't jive with AD reality. Nice try though. We don't really need for you to answer because your silence reveals your trickery.
Oh you like dear. You have decided to sidestep your being taken to task for your false claim and you continue to carry on with nonsensical claims about Christian stoning as punishment.

Did you realize that I made no claim about Christians enforcing that punishment?

It was inferred. You were distorting stories in the Old Testament as proof of bigotry. Funny how all the tolerance the left preaches obviously doesn't apply to Christians as evidenced by the Chik Fil A incident. The activists had their boycott backfire in their face and wound up stuffing cash in the pockets of Franchise owners all across our once great nation. However, this has to be my favorite Chik Fil A quote and shows how mis-guided the gay activists are, when confronted with the news that same sex couples were going to be holding "kiss in's" in Chik Fil A's all over America,

"We understand from news reports that Friday may present yet another opportunity for us to serve with genuine hospitality, superior service and great food," Robinson said.

Ha!!! Sounds pretty intolerant to me... not!!! What the ignorant left media didn't key on was that the Chik Fil A support day wasn't about Gay Marriage at all, but about sending people a message about bullying, and standing up for our Constitutional right to Free Speech without suffering discriminatory attacks by people trying to force their will on others.
 
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So by your reasoning you are doing what you claim I was doing. :D
yep your a stupid asshat.
it's no claim you do it constantly .
NO TOO TOUGH A CONCEPT FOR YOU.

So you are admitting to being a stupid asshat ? You know what they say when someone is outmatched and has no answer he resorts to childish insults.
theirs that famous accusatory paranoid reaction again.
I'm stating fact.
you consistently insert your religious bias into any and everything.
your dishonesty is so vast that you can never say that your belief system does not have all the answers.


outmatched by you:lol::lol::lol:
 
appealing to nonexistent authority
again! "Everyone" who the fuck is everyone?...you must mean that tiny group of willfully ignorant bible thumping halfwits called creationists.
who circle jerk to pseudoscience and mis understood passages of the bible.
when in reality the are the laughing stock of scientists, the general public and their fellow Christians.

The heads of the fields of science.

Dodge !!!
yours is a dodge the heads of what fields in what sciences

if your talking about entropy everyone excepts it as fact but not that god did it. so again you're intentionally misrepresenting the facts .
as to this: If the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This is the maximum possible age far too young for evolution and much younger than the radiometric dating method assigned to moon rocks. What say you ?

i say your're full of shit:

Modern dating methodsRadiometric dating has been carried out since 1905 when it was invented by Ernest Rutherford as a method by which one might determine the age of the Earth. In the century since then the techniques have been greatly improved and expanded.[14] Dating can now be performed on samples as small as a nanogram using a mass spectrometer. The mass spectrometer was invented in the 1940s and began to be used in radiometric dating in the 1950s. The mass spectrometer operates by generating a beam of ionized atoms from the sample under test. The ions then travel through a magnetic field, which diverts them into different sampling sensors, known as "Faraday cups", depending on their mass and level of ionization. On impact in the cups, the ions set up a very weak current that can be measured to determine the rate of impacts and the relative concentrations of different atoms in the beams.

[edit] Uranium-lead dating methodMain article: uranium-lead dating

A concordia diagram as used in uranium-lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[16] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[11]The uranium-lead radiometric dating scheme has been refined to the point that the error margin in dates of rocks can be as low as less than two million years in two-and-a-half billion years.[12][17] An error margin of 2–5 % has been achieved on younger Mesozoic rocks.[18]

Uranium-lead dating is often performed on the mineral zircon (ZrSiO4), though it can be used on other materials, such as baddeleyite.[19] Zircon and baddeleyite incorporate uranium atoms into their crystalline structure as substitutes for zirconium, but strongly reject lead. It has a very high closure temperature, is resistant to mechanical weathering and is very chemically inert. Zircon also forms multiple crystal layers during metamorphic events, which each may record an isotopic age of the event. In situ micro-beam analysis can be achieved via laser ICP-MS or SIMS techniques.[20]

One of its great advantages is that any sample provides two clocks, one based on uranium-235's decay to lead-207 with a half-life of about 700 million years, and one based on uranium-238's decay to lead-206 with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, providing a built-in crosscheck that allows accurate determination of the age of the sample even if some of the lead has been lost. This can be seen in the concordia diagram, where the samples plot along an errorchron (straight line) which intersects the concordia curve at the age of the sample.

[edit] Samarium-neodymium dating methodMain article: Samarium-neodymium dating
This involves the alpha-decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half-life of 1.06 x 1011 years. Accuracy levels of less than twenty million years in two-and-a-half billion years are achievable.[21]

[edit] Potassium-argon dating methodMain article: Potassium-argon dating
This involves electron capture or positron decay of potassium-40 to argon-40. Potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years, and so this method is applicable to the oldest rocks. Radioactive potassium-40 is common in micas, feldspars, and hornblendes, though the closure temperature is fairly low in these materials, about 125°C (mica) to 450°C (hornblende).

[edit] Rubidium-strontium dating methodMain article: Rubidium-strontium dating
This is based on the beta decay of rubidium-87 to strontium-87, with a half-life of 50 billion years. This scheme is used to date old igneous and metamorphic rocks, and has also been used to date lunar samples. Closure temperatures are so high that they are not a concern. Rubidium-strontium dating is not as precise as the uranium-lead method, with errors of 30 to 50 million years for a 3-billion-year-old sample.

[edit] Uranium-thorium dating methodMain article: uranium-thorium dating
A relatively short-range dating technique is based on the decay of uranium-234 into thorium-230, a substance with a half-life of about 80,000 years. It is accompanied by a sister process, in which uranium-235 decays into protactinium-231, which has a half-life of 34,300 years.

While uranium is water-soluble, thorium and protactinium are not, and so they are selectively precipitated into ocean-floor sediments, from which their ratios are measured. The scheme has a range of several hundred thousand years. A related method is ionium-thorium dating, which measures the ratio of ionium (thorium-230) to thorium-232 in ocean sediment.

[edit] Radiocarbon dating methodMain article: Radiocarbon dating

Ale's Stones at Kåseberga, around ten kilometres south east of Ystad, Sweden were dated at 600 CE using the carbon-14 method on organic material found at the site.[22]Carbon-14 is a radioactive isotope of carbon, with a half-life of 5,730 years,[23][24] which is very short compared with the above isotopes. In other radiometric dating methods, the heavy parent isotopes were produced by nucleosynthesis in supernovas, meaning that any parent isotope with a short half-life should be extinct by now. Carbon-14, though, is continuously created through collisions of neutrons generated by cosmic rays with nitrogen in the upper atmosphere and thus remains at a near-constant level on Earth. The carbon-14 ends up as a trace component in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2).

An organism acquires carbon during its lifetime. Plants acquire it through photosynthesis, and animals acquire it from consumption of plants and other animals. When an organism dies, it ceases to take in new carbon-14, and the existing isotope decays with a characteristic half-life (5730 years). The proportion of carbon-14 left when the remains of the organism are examined provides an indication of the time elapsed since its death. The carbon-14 dating limit lies around 58,000 to 62,000 years.[25]

The rate of creation of carbon-14 appears to be roughly constant, as cross-checks of carbon-14 dating with other dating methods show it gives consistent results. However, local eruptions of volcanoes or other events that give off large amounts of carbon dioxide can reduce local concentrations of carbon-14 and give inaccurate dates. The releases of carbon dioxide into the biosphere as a consequence of industrialization have also depressed the proportion of carbon-14 by a few percent; conversely, the amount of carbon-14 was increased by above-ground nuclear bomb tests that were conducted into the early 1960s. Also, an increase in the solar wind or the Earth's magnetic field above the current value would depress the amount of carbon-14 created in the atmosphere. These effects are corrected for by the calibration of the radiocarbon dating scale.[26]

[edit] Fission track dating methodMain article: fission track dating

Apatite crystals are widely used in fission track dating.This involves inspection of a polished slice of a material to determine the density of "track" markings left in it by the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 impurities. The uranium content of the sample has to be known, but that can be determined by placing a plastic film over the polished slice of the material, and bombarding it with slow neutrons. This causes induced fission of 235U, as opposed to the spontaneous fission of 238U. The fission tracks produced by this process are recorded in the plastic film. The uranium content of the material can then be calculated from the number of tracks and the neutron flux.

This scheme has application over a wide range of geologic dates. For dates up to a few million years micas, tektites (glass fragments from volcanic eruptions), and meteorites are best used. Older materials can be dated using zircon, apatite, titanite, epidote and garnet which have a variable amount of uranium content.[27] Because the fission tracks are healed by temperatures over about 200°C the technique has limitations as well as benefits. The technique has potential applications for detailing the thermal history of a deposit.

[edit] Chlorine-36 dating methodLarge amounts of otherwise rare 36Cl were produced by irradiation of seawater during atmospheric detonations of nuclear weapons between 1952 and 1958. The residence time of 36Cl in the atmosphere is about 1 week. Thus, as an event marker of 1950s water in soil and ground water, 36Cl is also useful for dating waters less than 50 years before the present. 36Cl has seen use in other areas of the geological sciences, including dating ice and sediments.

[edit] Luminescence dating methodsMain articles: Optical dating and Thermoluminescence dating
Natural sources of radiation in the environment knock loose electrons in, say, a piece of pottery, and these electrons accumulate in defects in the material's crystal lattice structure. Heating or illuminating the object will release the captured electrons, producing a luminescence. When the sample is heated, at a certain temperature it will glow from the emission of electrons released from the defects, and this glow can be used to estimate the age of the sample to a threshold of approximately 15 percent of its true age. The date of a rock is reset when volcanic activity remelts it. The date of a piece of pottery is reset by the heat of the kiln. Typically temperatures greater than 400 degrees Celsius will reset the "clock". This is termed thermoluminescence.

[edit] Other methodsOther methods include:

argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
uranium-uranium (U-U)

You are still dodging the question. If the universe and everything in it had a beginning,where did the matter come from ?

I could care less about your dating methods, I asked you to do the math and you were given the information to work the formula.

Once you do the math it contradicts the age of the earth and and universe according to the dated moon rocks.

Do you just post crap up whether it answers my question or not ?

It contradicts evolutions timeline.
 
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Did you forget this one.

If the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This is the maximum possible age far too young for evolution and much younger than the radiometric dating method assigned to moon rocks. What say you ?

This one to.

Not convenient,it's reality. If everything is suffering from entropy which it is, How is everything still here after 13 to 20 billion years ?
FUNNY YOU'D PICK THAT AS i WROTE IT LONG BEFORE YOU posted the first time.

It's a fact ,if humans have over 5,000 genetic disorders from the time we were supposedly to come into existence According to evolutionist opinions, Why do not all our ancestors have more genetic disorders ?
your answer has nothing to do with the 2 other statements in this post.
 
Thomas Jefferson

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth."

And so the accuser becomes the thing she supposedly detests, the cutter and paster of lies and misquotes. You can post up all the fundie EVO atheist false quotes but it is just Historical Revisionism not based in any truth. I'll stick to reliable sources like the Library of Congress, not fundie atheist websites.

From Monticello_Org

"Sources consulted: (searching on the words "superstitions," "fables," and "mythology"/"mythologies")

Papers of Thomas Jefferson Digital Edition
Thomas Jefferson Retirement Papers
Thomas Jefferson: Papers and Biographies collections in Hathi Trust Digital Library

Earliest known appearance in print: 1883[1]

Earliest known appearance in print, attributed to Jefferson: See above.

Status: We have not found this quotation in any of Jefferson's known writings.

Superstition of Christianity (Quotation) « Thomas Jefferson

Nice Try though!!! But then again why wouldn't lie and deceive, there exist in your worldview no foundation for ethics, and the master you unknowingly serve is the father of lies.
 
yep your a stupid asshat.
it's no claim you do it constantly .
NO TOO TOUGH A CONCEPT FOR YOU.

So you are admitting to being a stupid asshat ? You know what they say when someone is outmatched and has no answer he resorts to childish insults.
theirs that famous accusatory paranoid reaction again.
I'm stating fact.
you consistently insert your religious bias into any and everything.
your dishonesty is so vast that you can never say that your belief system does not have all the answers.


outmatched by you:lol::lol::lol:

To many times to count.
 
yep your a stupid asshat.
it's no claim you do it constantly .
NO TOO TOUGH A CONCEPT FOR YOU.

So you are admitting to being a stupid asshat ? You know what they say when someone is outmatched and has no answer he resorts to childish insults.
theirs that famous accusatory paranoid reaction again.
I'm stating fact.
you consistently insert your religious bias into any and everything.
your dishonesty is so vast that you can never say that your belief system does not have all the answers.


outmatched by you:lol::lol::lol:

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.
 
your response was meaingless, my first answer stands you an asshole with reading comp problems ...if it wasn't so hilarious ,it would be sad.

Truth hurts don't it.

The universe had a beginning. Time and space had a beginning. That means matter had a beginning. Where did the matter come from to form the universe and life ?

You, of course, will claim tht "the gods did iit".

So, substantiate your claim to gods. Who or what were the magical, supernatural gods who created your magical, supernatural gods?

Other than your "because I say so", claim to the contrary, there is no reason to believe that your gods were not themselves created by a hierarchy of other gods.

ASked and answered before. How many more posts will you wasted with the same repetitive dribble?
 
NO, but then again YOU have no evidence to prove they had to be designed.
none at all.
you assume that since there is a void in actual scientific data on the subject that your fairy tale fill that void.
that's not only dishonest but it's forcing your belief into an area where objectivity must remain or it's no longer science ,but dogma.
I'd say you were trying to replace science with superstition to help the last days along.
but neither one of you are that smart or that subtle

So by your reasoning you are doing what you claim I was doing. :D
yep your a stupid asshat.
it's no claim you do it constantly .
NO TOO TOUGH A CONCEPT FOR YOU.

While you and Hollie use name calling to distract, it does not distract enough to cover up your lack of knowledge.
 
The heads of the fields of science.

Dodge !!!
yours is a dodge the heads of what fields in what sciences

if your talking about entropy everyone excepts it as fact but not that god did it. so again you're intentionally misrepresenting the facts .
as to this: If the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This is the maximum possible age far too young for evolution and much younger than the radiometric dating method assigned to moon rocks. What say you ?

i say your're full of shit:

Modern dating methodsRadiometric dating has been carried out since 1905 when it was invented by Ernest Rutherford as a method by which one might determine the age of the Earth. In the century since then the techniques have been greatly improved and expanded.[14] Dating can now be performed on samples as small as a nanogram using a mass spectrometer. The mass spectrometer was invented in the 1940s and began to be used in radiometric dating in the 1950s. The mass spectrometer operates by generating a beam of ionized atoms from the sample under test. The ions then travel through a magnetic field, which diverts them into different sampling sensors, known as "Faraday cups", depending on their mass and level of ionization. On impact in the cups, the ions set up a very weak current that can be measured to determine the rate of impacts and the relative concentrations of different atoms in the beams.

[edit] Uranium-lead dating methodMain article: uranium-lead dating

A concordia diagram as used in uranium-lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[16] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[11]The uranium-lead radiometric dating scheme has been refined to the point that the error margin in dates of rocks can be as low as less than two million years in two-and-a-half billion years.[12][17] An error margin of 2–5 % has been achieved on younger Mesozoic rocks.[18]

Uranium-lead dating is often performed on the mineral zircon (ZrSiO4), though it can be used on other materials, such as baddeleyite.[19] Zircon and baddeleyite incorporate uranium atoms into their crystalline structure as substitutes for zirconium, but strongly reject lead. It has a very high closure temperature, is resistant to mechanical weathering and is very chemically inert. Zircon also forms multiple crystal layers during metamorphic events, which each may record an isotopic age of the event. In situ micro-beam analysis can be achieved via laser ICP-MS or SIMS techniques.[20]

One of its great advantages is that any sample provides two clocks, one based on uranium-235's decay to lead-207 with a half-life of about 700 million years, and one based on uranium-238's decay to lead-206 with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, providing a built-in crosscheck that allows accurate determination of the age of the sample even if some of the lead has been lost. This can be seen in the concordia diagram, where the samples plot along an errorchron (straight line) which intersects the concordia curve at the age of the sample.

[edit] Samarium-neodymium dating methodMain article: Samarium-neodymium dating
This involves the alpha-decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half-life of 1.06 x 1011 years. Accuracy levels of less than twenty million years in two-and-a-half billion years are achievable.[21]

[edit] Potassium-argon dating methodMain article: Potassium-argon dating
This involves electron capture or positron decay of potassium-40 to argon-40. Potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years, and so this method is applicable to the oldest rocks. Radioactive potassium-40 is common in micas, feldspars, and hornblendes, though the closure temperature is fairly low in these materials, about 125°C (mica) to 450°C (hornblende).

[edit] Rubidium-strontium dating methodMain article: Rubidium-strontium dating
This is based on the beta decay of rubidium-87 to strontium-87, with a half-life of 50 billion years. This scheme is used to date old igneous and metamorphic rocks, and has also been used to date lunar samples. Closure temperatures are so high that they are not a concern. Rubidium-strontium dating is not as precise as the uranium-lead method, with errors of 30 to 50 million years for a 3-billion-year-old sample.

[edit] Uranium-thorium dating methodMain article: uranium-thorium dating
A relatively short-range dating technique is based on the decay of uranium-234 into thorium-230, a substance with a half-life of about 80,000 years. It is accompanied by a sister process, in which uranium-235 decays into protactinium-231, which has a half-life of 34,300 years.

While uranium is water-soluble, thorium and protactinium are not, and so they are selectively precipitated into ocean-floor sediments, from which their ratios are measured. The scheme has a range of several hundred thousand years. A related method is ionium-thorium dating, which measures the ratio of ionium (thorium-230) to thorium-232 in ocean sediment.

[edit] Radiocarbon dating methodMain article: Radiocarbon dating

Ale's Stones at Kåseberga, around ten kilometres south east of Ystad, Sweden were dated at 600 CE using the carbon-14 method on organic material found at the site.[22]Carbon-14 is a radioactive isotope of carbon, with a half-life of 5,730 years,[23][24] which is very short compared with the above isotopes. In other radiometric dating methods, the heavy parent isotopes were produced by nucleosynthesis in supernovas, meaning that any parent isotope with a short half-life should be extinct by now. Carbon-14, though, is continuously created through collisions of neutrons generated by cosmic rays with nitrogen in the upper atmosphere and thus remains at a near-constant level on Earth. The carbon-14 ends up as a trace component in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2).

An organism acquires carbon during its lifetime. Plants acquire it through photosynthesis, and animals acquire it from consumption of plants and other animals. When an organism dies, it ceases to take in new carbon-14, and the existing isotope decays with a characteristic half-life (5730 years). The proportion of carbon-14 left when the remains of the organism are examined provides an indication of the time elapsed since its death. The carbon-14 dating limit lies around 58,000 to 62,000 years.[25]

The rate of creation of carbon-14 appears to be roughly constant, as cross-checks of carbon-14 dating with other dating methods show it gives consistent results. However, local eruptions of volcanoes or other events that give off large amounts of carbon dioxide can reduce local concentrations of carbon-14 and give inaccurate dates. The releases of carbon dioxide into the biosphere as a consequence of industrialization have also depressed the proportion of carbon-14 by a few percent; conversely, the amount of carbon-14 was increased by above-ground nuclear bomb tests that were conducted into the early 1960s. Also, an increase in the solar wind or the Earth's magnetic field above the current value would depress the amount of carbon-14 created in the atmosphere. These effects are corrected for by the calibration of the radiocarbon dating scale.[26]

[edit] Fission track dating methodMain article: fission track dating

Apatite crystals are widely used in fission track dating.This involves inspection of a polished slice of a material to determine the density of "track" markings left in it by the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 impurities. The uranium content of the sample has to be known, but that can be determined by placing a plastic film over the polished slice of the material, and bombarding it with slow neutrons. This causes induced fission of 235U, as opposed to the spontaneous fission of 238U. The fission tracks produced by this process are recorded in the plastic film. The uranium content of the material can then be calculated from the number of tracks and the neutron flux.

This scheme has application over a wide range of geologic dates. For dates up to a few million years micas, tektites (glass fragments from volcanic eruptions), and meteorites are best used. Older materials can be dated using zircon, apatite, titanite, epidote and garnet which have a variable amount of uranium content.[27] Because the fission tracks are healed by temperatures over about 200°C the technique has limitations as well as benefits. The technique has potential applications for detailing the thermal history of a deposit.

[edit] Chlorine-36 dating methodLarge amounts of otherwise rare 36Cl were produced by irradiation of seawater during atmospheric detonations of nuclear weapons between 1952 and 1958. The residence time of 36Cl in the atmosphere is about 1 week. Thus, as an event marker of 1950s water in soil and ground water, 36Cl is also useful for dating waters less than 50 years before the present. 36Cl has seen use in other areas of the geological sciences, including dating ice and sediments.

[edit] Luminescence dating methodsMain articles: Optical dating and Thermoluminescence dating
Natural sources of radiation in the environment knock loose electrons in, say, a piece of pottery, and these electrons accumulate in defects in the material's crystal lattice structure. Heating or illuminating the object will release the captured electrons, producing a luminescence. When the sample is heated, at a certain temperature it will glow from the emission of electrons released from the defects, and this glow can be used to estimate the age of the sample to a threshold of approximately 15 percent of its true age. The date of a rock is reset when volcanic activity remelts it. The date of a piece of pottery is reset by the heat of the kiln. Typically temperatures greater than 400 degrees Celsius will reset the "clock". This is termed thermoluminescence.

[edit] Other methodsOther methods include:

argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
uranium-uranium (U-U)

You are still dodging the question. If the universe and everything in it had a beginning,where did the matter come from ?

I could care less about your dating methods, I asked you to do the math and you were given the information to work the formula.

Once you do the math it contradicts the age of the earth and and universe according to the dated moon rocks.

Do you just post crap up whether it answers my question or not ?

It contradicts evolutions timeline.
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.
 
FUNNY YOU'D PICK THAT AS i WROTE IT LONG BEFORE YOU posted the first time.

It's a fact ,if humans have over 5,000 genetic disorders from the time we were supposedly to come into existence According to evolutionist opinions, Why do not all our ancestors have more genetic disorders ?
your answer has nothing to do with the 2 other statements in this post.

I asked you a question.

Most genetic disorders are from inheritance so why do we have more genetic disorders then our ancestors ?

Simple question.
 
So you are admitting to being a stupid asshat ? You know what they say when someone is outmatched and has no answer he resorts to childish insults.
theirs that famous accusatory paranoid reaction again.
I'm stating fact.
you consistently insert your religious bias into any and everything.
your dishonesty is so vast that you can never say that your belief system does not have all the answers.


outmatched by you:lol::lol::lol:

To many times to count.
only in your wet dreams !
 
Hollie, would you prefer our founding fathers conducted themselves like Arafat, or Mohammed?
They thought lying about peace while preparing for slaughter was an honorable thing.
Here is Arafat backtracking on his signing of a peace treaty, equating his actions with what Mohammad did:
"This agreement, I am not considering it more than the agreement which had been signed between our prophet Mohammed and Koraish....."
(The agreement with Koraish allowed Mohammed to pray in Mecca, which was under Koraish control, for ten years. When Mohamed grew stronger two years later, he abrogated the agreement, slaughtered the tribe of Koraish and conquered Mecca.)

I’m not making any sense of your comment. If you had been familiar with the Founding Fathers of the US, you would have known that in almost all of their writings, it is evident that many of the FF’s were Deists. They believed in a creator, but not a god or gods such that Christianity or the bible offered.

This is a historical revisionist lie perpetrated by fundie atheist websites intent on destroying American values. The claim has no basis in fact. Shocking!! Since other so called "facts" you claim are also based on the myths of "might haves" and "may haves".
 
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yours is a dodge the heads of what fields in what sciences

if your talking about entropy everyone excepts it as fact but not that god did it. so again you're intentionally misrepresenting the facts .
as to this: If the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This is the maximum possible age far too young for evolution and much younger than the radiometric dating method assigned to moon rocks. What say you ?

i say your're full of shit:

Modern dating methodsRadiometric dating has been carried out since 1905 when it was invented by Ernest Rutherford as a method by which one might determine the age of the Earth. In the century since then the techniques have been greatly improved and expanded.[14] Dating can now be performed on samples as small as a nanogram using a mass spectrometer. The mass spectrometer was invented in the 1940s and began to be used in radiometric dating in the 1950s. The mass spectrometer operates by generating a beam of ionized atoms from the sample under test. The ions then travel through a magnetic field, which diverts them into different sampling sensors, known as "Faraday cups", depending on their mass and level of ionization. On impact in the cups, the ions set up a very weak current that can be measured to determine the rate of impacts and the relative concentrations of different atoms in the beams.

[edit] Uranium-lead dating methodMain article: uranium-lead dating

A concordia diagram as used in uranium-lead dating, with data from the Pfunze Belt, Zimbabwe.[16] All the samples show loss of lead isotopes, but the intercept of the errorchron (straight line through the sample points) and the concordia (curve) shows the correct age of the rock.[11]The uranium-lead radiometric dating scheme has been refined to the point that the error margin in dates of rocks can be as low as less than two million years in two-and-a-half billion years.[12][17] An error margin of 2–5 % has been achieved on younger Mesozoic rocks.[18]

Uranium-lead dating is often performed on the mineral zircon (ZrSiO4), though it can be used on other materials, such as baddeleyite.[19] Zircon and baddeleyite incorporate uranium atoms into their crystalline structure as substitutes for zirconium, but strongly reject lead. It has a very high closure temperature, is resistant to mechanical weathering and is very chemically inert. Zircon also forms multiple crystal layers during metamorphic events, which each may record an isotopic age of the event. In situ micro-beam analysis can be achieved via laser ICP-MS or SIMS techniques.[20]

One of its great advantages is that any sample provides two clocks, one based on uranium-235's decay to lead-207 with a half-life of about 700 million years, and one based on uranium-238's decay to lead-206 with a half-life of about 4.5 billion years, providing a built-in crosscheck that allows accurate determination of the age of the sample even if some of the lead has been lost. This can be seen in the concordia diagram, where the samples plot along an errorchron (straight line) which intersects the concordia curve at the age of the sample.

[edit] Samarium-neodymium dating methodMain article: Samarium-neodymium dating
This involves the alpha-decay of 147Sm to 143Nd with a half-life of 1.06 x 1011 years. Accuracy levels of less than twenty million years in two-and-a-half billion years are achievable.[21]

[edit] Potassium-argon dating methodMain article: Potassium-argon dating
This involves electron capture or positron decay of potassium-40 to argon-40. Potassium-40 has a half-life of 1.3 billion years, and so this method is applicable to the oldest rocks. Radioactive potassium-40 is common in micas, feldspars, and hornblendes, though the closure temperature is fairly low in these materials, about 125°C (mica) to 450°C (hornblende).

[edit] Rubidium-strontium dating methodMain article: Rubidium-strontium dating
This is based on the beta decay of rubidium-87 to strontium-87, with a half-life of 50 billion years. This scheme is used to date old igneous and metamorphic rocks, and has also been used to date lunar samples. Closure temperatures are so high that they are not a concern. Rubidium-strontium dating is not as precise as the uranium-lead method, with errors of 30 to 50 million years for a 3-billion-year-old sample.

[edit] Uranium-thorium dating methodMain article: uranium-thorium dating
A relatively short-range dating technique is based on the decay of uranium-234 into thorium-230, a substance with a half-life of about 80,000 years. It is accompanied by a sister process, in which uranium-235 decays into protactinium-231, which has a half-life of 34,300 years.

While uranium is water-soluble, thorium and protactinium are not, and so they are selectively precipitated into ocean-floor sediments, from which their ratios are measured. The scheme has a range of several hundred thousand years. A related method is ionium-thorium dating, which measures the ratio of ionium (thorium-230) to thorium-232 in ocean sediment.

[edit] Radiocarbon dating methodMain article: Radiocarbon dating

Ale's Stones at Kåseberga, around ten kilometres south east of Ystad, Sweden were dated at 600 CE using the carbon-14 method on organic material found at the site.[22]Carbon-14 is a radioactive isotope of carbon, with a half-life of 5,730 years,[23][24] which is very short compared with the above isotopes. In other radiometric dating methods, the heavy parent isotopes were produced by nucleosynthesis in supernovas, meaning that any parent isotope with a short half-life should be extinct by now. Carbon-14, though, is continuously created through collisions of neutrons generated by cosmic rays with nitrogen in the upper atmosphere and thus remains at a near-constant level on Earth. The carbon-14 ends up as a trace component in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2).

An organism acquires carbon during its lifetime. Plants acquire it through photosynthesis, and animals acquire it from consumption of plants and other animals. When an organism dies, it ceases to take in new carbon-14, and the existing isotope decays with a characteristic half-life (5730 years). The proportion of carbon-14 left when the remains of the organism are examined provides an indication of the time elapsed since its death. The carbon-14 dating limit lies around 58,000 to 62,000 years.[25]

The rate of creation of carbon-14 appears to be roughly constant, as cross-checks of carbon-14 dating with other dating methods show it gives consistent results. However, local eruptions of volcanoes or other events that give off large amounts of carbon dioxide can reduce local concentrations of carbon-14 and give inaccurate dates. The releases of carbon dioxide into the biosphere as a consequence of industrialization have also depressed the proportion of carbon-14 by a few percent; conversely, the amount of carbon-14 was increased by above-ground nuclear bomb tests that were conducted into the early 1960s. Also, an increase in the solar wind or the Earth's magnetic field above the current value would depress the amount of carbon-14 created in the atmosphere. These effects are corrected for by the calibration of the radiocarbon dating scale.[26]

[edit] Fission track dating methodMain article: fission track dating

Apatite crystals are widely used in fission track dating.This involves inspection of a polished slice of a material to determine the density of "track" markings left in it by the spontaneous fission of uranium-238 impurities. The uranium content of the sample has to be known, but that can be determined by placing a plastic film over the polished slice of the material, and bombarding it with slow neutrons. This causes induced fission of 235U, as opposed to the spontaneous fission of 238U. The fission tracks produced by this process are recorded in the plastic film. The uranium content of the material can then be calculated from the number of tracks and the neutron flux.

This scheme has application over a wide range of geologic dates. For dates up to a few million years micas, tektites (glass fragments from volcanic eruptions), and meteorites are best used. Older materials can be dated using zircon, apatite, titanite, epidote and garnet which have a variable amount of uranium content.[27] Because the fission tracks are healed by temperatures over about 200°C the technique has limitations as well as benefits. The technique has potential applications for detailing the thermal history of a deposit.

[edit] Chlorine-36 dating methodLarge amounts of otherwise rare 36Cl were produced by irradiation of seawater during atmospheric detonations of nuclear weapons between 1952 and 1958. The residence time of 36Cl in the atmosphere is about 1 week. Thus, as an event marker of 1950s water in soil and ground water, 36Cl is also useful for dating waters less than 50 years before the present. 36Cl has seen use in other areas of the geological sciences, including dating ice and sediments.

[edit] Luminescence dating methodsMain articles: Optical dating and Thermoluminescence dating
Natural sources of radiation in the environment knock loose electrons in, say, a piece of pottery, and these electrons accumulate in defects in the material's crystal lattice structure. Heating or illuminating the object will release the captured electrons, producing a luminescence. When the sample is heated, at a certain temperature it will glow from the emission of electrons released from the defects, and this glow can be used to estimate the age of the sample to a threshold of approximately 15 percent of its true age. The date of a rock is reset when volcanic activity remelts it. The date of a piece of pottery is reset by the heat of the kiln. Typically temperatures greater than 400 degrees Celsius will reset the "clock". This is termed thermoluminescence.

[edit] Other methodsOther methods include:

argon-argon (Ar-Ar)
iodine-xenon (I-Xe)
lanthanum-barium (La-Ba)
lead-lead (Pb-Pb)
lutetium-hafnium (Lu-Hf)
neon-neon (Ne-Ne)
rhenium-osmium (Re-Os)
uranium-lead-helium (U-Pb-He)
uranium-uranium (U-U)

You are still dodging the question. If the universe and everything in it had a beginning,where did the matter come from ?

I could care less about your dating methods, I asked you to do the math and you were given the information to work the formula.

Once you do the math it contradicts the age of the earth and and universe according to the dated moon rocks.

Do you just post crap up whether it answers my question or not ?

It contradicts evolutions timeline.
The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an effort to explain what happened during and after that moment.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.

Just say it ,an outside source is responsible for the matter's existence. Time began with creation.
 
So by your reasoning you are doing what you claim I was doing. :D
yep your a stupid asshat.
it's no claim you do it constantly .
NO TOO TOUGH A CONCEPT FOR YOU.

While you and Hollie use name calling to distract, it does not distract enough to cover up your lack of knowledge.
another wrong assuption, can't speak for hollie but I name call because when you act like a dick you get called a dick.
simple
your tin hat is showing !
 
:lol::eusa_boohoo:
So you are admitting to being a stupid asshat ? You know what they say when someone is outmatched and has no answer he resorts to childish insults.
theirs that famous accusatory paranoid reaction again.
I'm stating fact.
you consistently insert your religious bias into any and everything.
your dishonesty is so vast that you can never say that your belief system does not have all the answers.


outmatched by you:lol::lol::lol:

You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.
:lol:
 
It's a fact ,if humans have over 5,000 genetic disorders from the time we were supposedly to come into existence According to evolutionist opinions, Why do not all our ancestors have more genetic disorders ?
your answer has nothing to do with the 2 other statements in this post.

I asked you a question.

Most genetic disorders are from inheritance so why do we have more genetic disorders then our ancestors ?

Simple question.
your answer has nothing to do with the 2 other statements in this post.[/QUOTE]simple answer!
 
Hollie, would you prefer our founding fathers conducted themselves like Arafat, or Mohammed?
They thought lying about peace while preparing for slaughter was an honorable thing.
Here is Arafat backtracking on his signing of a peace treaty, equating his actions with what Mohammad did:
"This agreement, I am not considering it more than the agreement which had been signed between our prophet Mohammed and Koraish....."
(The agreement with Koraish allowed Mohammed to pray in Mecca, which was under Koraish control, for ten years. When Mohamed grew stronger two years later, he abrogated the agreement, slaughtered the tribe of Koraish and conquered Mecca.)

I’m not making any sense of your comment. If you had been familiar with the Founding Fathers of the US, you would have known that in almost all of their writings, it is evident that many of the FF’s were Deists. They believed in a creator, but not a god or gods such that Christianity or the bible offered.

This is a historical revisionist lie perpetrated by fundie atheist websites intent on destroying American values. The claim has no basis in fact. Shocking!! Since other so called "facts" you claim are also based on the myths of might haves and may haves.

If anyone is really interested in the truth, with actual photographs of verified historical documents, the United States Library of Congress website is a great resource. Contrary to Holly's false post, here is the real history on Ben's prayer. One should also note that Ben Franklin was regularly considered the most Deist of the Founders, but here he is at 81 years old, referring to the Christian God and quoting Matthew 10:29.

Franklin Requests Prayers in the Constitutional Convention
Benjamin Franklin delivered this famous speech, asking that the Convention begin each day's session with prayers, at a particularly contentious period, when it appeared that the Convention might break up over its failure to resolve the dispute between the large and small states over representation in the new government. The eighty one year old Franklin asserted that "the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this Truth--that God governs in the Affairs of Men." "I also believe," Franklin continued, that "without his concurring Aid, we shall succeed in this political Building no better than the Builders of Babel." Franklin's motion failed, ostensibly because the Convention had no funds to pay local clergymen to act as chaplains.

Adams on Religion
John Adams, a self-confessed "church going animal," grew up in the Congregational Church in Braintree, Massachusetts. By the time he wrote this letter his theological position can best be described as Unitarian. In this letter Adams tells Jefferson that "Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell."

Adams's Fast Day Proclamation
John Adams continued the practice, begun in 1775 and adopted under the new federal government by Washington, of issuing fast and thanksgiving day proclamations. In this proclamation, issued at a time when the nation appeared to be on the brink of a war with France, Adams urged the citizens to "acknowledge before God the manifold sins and transgressions with which we are justly chargeable as individuals and as a nation; beseeching him at the same time, of His infinite grace, through the Redeemer of the World, freely to remit all our offences, and to incline us, by His Holy Spirit, to that sincere repentance and reformation which may afford us reason to hope for his inestimable favor and heavenly benediction."
 
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