Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism

[Vox]

why do you need a "cure" for something which is perfectly HEALTHY?

piss off

 

[Vox]

Because it doesn't work. Central planning doesn't work. Do you think our government is a good standing example of functioning "democracy"?

You have a better solution in mind?

sure. free market economy a.k.a. capitalism

 

[Contumacious]

why do you need a "cure" for something which is perfectly HEALTHY?

piss off

Wrong, again.

The response should have been

why do you need a "cure" for something which does not exist?

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[shikaki]

****, Aki, that statement alone tells me that the video is pure bull****.

America ceased being a capitalist nation when it centralized credit and banking in 1913, ie, with the creation of the federal reserve board.

Read today's headlines:

American Airlines and US Airways settle DOJ lawsuit, expect to complete merger in December

If a business needs the state's permission to merge then you have FASCISM not Capitalism.

In a Capitalist system they would have simply merged.

So shut the **** up.

Change the thread title to

CAPITALISM, A CURE FOR FASCISM AND SOCIALISM

Go forth and sin no more.

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That was completely assumptive and off topic. At least watch the video before coming up with a misinformed opinion.

Listen Ding Dong

If you start by telling me that there is something wrong with Capitalism then no further research is necessary - recheck your premises.

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LOL Ding Dong.... Nice This is not my assumption it is Mr. Wolff, please take a moment to listen to the video. Even though I tend to agree with him. These damn dumb Harvard graduates...

 

[shikaki]

I did a quick search and read on Wolff. So i have a pretty good idea what he's advocating. What that is, is pretty close to what the OP wrote in post #3. Essentially, the dismantling of capitalism and private property for a more "progressive" democratic based socialism. Which is, of course, proposterous.

This is essentially what we have for government, why is advocating the same approach to economics preposterous?

That's the question we really need to answer clearly as a nation: what IS government for?

I believe we create government to protect our freedom; to make it possible for us all to get along and enjoy the benefits of society, yet remain free to pursue our own individual goals and desires.

From that point of view, we don't need, or want, government dictating our economic decisions. Just as we don't want it dictating our religious beliefs or associations.

Mr Wolff asserts that government should have no part of this, unlike the synergy that exist currently with the lobbyist. He says the business could be setup like co-ops, etc..

 

[Contumacious]

Because it doesn't work. Central planning doesn't work. Do you think our government is a good standing example of functioning "democracy"?

You have a better solution in mind?

sure. free market economy a.k.a. capitalism

Yo Vern , do you understand what you are defending?

In a Capitalist system the government has no authority to prevent people from buying, selling or distributing Marihuana?

Are you OK with that?

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[JoeNormal]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.
A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.
Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

What capitalism? We haven't had capitalism in the US since neo-classical economics took over.

The problem with most heterodox economists, is that they fail to understand the praxeology of economics. Economic democracy is a terrible idea. What you're essentially advocating is the removal of all private property in favor of central planning based on majority rule over the system vs. ndividual initiative.

It would collapse under its own weight.

And again, most of these economists fail to distinguish the difference between corporatism and captialism. Making most of the premise false right out of the gate.

Precisely... capitalism works quite well... we've allowed central planning and cronyism to dick around with the markets for about a century now.

 

[Vox]

You have a better solution in mind?

sure. free market economy a.k.a. capitalism

Yo Vern , do you understand what you are defending?

In a Capitalist system the government has no authority to prevent people from buying, selling or distributing Marihuana?

Are you OK with that?

.

are you stoned?

Marijuana is a very damaging drug to one's brain - which you have just proved - but it should not be a criminalized activity - which I have been stating ALWAYS

 

[Contumacious]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.
A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.
Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

Wrong patient, Wrong diagnosis, wrong medicine.

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[Contumacious]

sure. free market economy a.k.a. capitalism

Yo Vern , do you understand what you are defending?

In a Capitalist system the government has no authority to prevent people from buying, selling or distributing Marihuana?

Are you OK with that?

.

are you stoned?

Marijuana is a very damaging drug to one's brain - which you have just proved - but it should not be a criminalized activity - which I have been stating ALWAYS

Listen Vern, I want you to understand what you are defending.

Don't defend Capitalism then come here to argue that the Sunday School Preacher wants marihuana banned because it "damages the brain"

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[JoeNormal]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.
A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.
Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

Wrong patient, Wrong diagnosis, wrong medicine.

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Perfect as-is huh?

 

[shikaki]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.

That is what helped, at that time, to pull the country out of the depression.

A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.

Not sure of the correlation of Germany, even though they are the strongest financial country in Europe. Mr. Wolff made no mention of Germany in the video.

Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

If people, regular people, like you and I work and help in deciding the direction of the company, why should we not all share in the profits of our labor?

 

[JoeNormal]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.

That is what helped, at that time, to pull the country out of the depression.

A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.

Not sure of the correlation of Germany, even though they are the strongest financial country in Europe. Mr. Wolff made no mention of Germany in the video.

Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

If people, regular people, like you and I work and help in deciding the direction of the company, why should we not all share in the profits of our labor?

I agree with all of these. I pointed out Germany to demonstrate that it's not pie-in-the-sky thinking. It's a fundamental part of a very successful economy.

 

[Vox]

Yo Vern , do you understand what you are defending?

In a Capitalist system the government has no authority to prevent people from buying, selling or distributing Marihuana?

Are you OK with that?

.

are you stoned?

Marijuana is a very damaging drug to one's brain - which you have just proved - but it should not be a criminalized activity - which I have been stating ALWAYS

Listen Vern, I want you to understand what you are defending.

Don't defend Capitalism then come here to argue that the Sunday School Preacher wants marihuana banned because it "damages the brain"

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piss off idiot.

clearly stoned to the point of not understanding what is being said, or with permanent brain damage because of the excessive pot

 

[Moonglow]

Because it doesn't work. Central planning doesn't work. Do you think our government is a good standing example of functioning "democracy"?

You have a better solution in mind?

Cut off the aid to the rich and give it to the poor.

 

[Contumacious]

I think that all of the predictive criticisms I've seen so far were addressed by about 27 minutes into the video. The things he advocates are:

A taxation, regulatory and public works role for government as existed in the 30's.
A worker participation in the decision making process in companies as exists in Germany today.
Worker co-ops in which workers more equally share the profits of the company and share in the direction of its operation.

Wrong patient, Wrong diagnosis, wrong medicine.

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Perfect as-is huh?

I stated that the WRONG PATIENT has been identified.

The reason being that the OP is criticizing FASCISM not CAPITALISM.

So, as long as we have FASCISM , things will NOT be "perfect as is"

Capisce?

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[shikaki]

Wrong patient, Wrong diagnosis, wrong medicine.

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Perfect as-is huh?

I stated that the WRONG PATIENT has been identified.

The reason being that the OP is criticizing FASCISM not CAPITALISM.

So, as long as we have FASCISM , things will NOT be "perfect as is"

Capisce?

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The video is currently criticizing the current configuration of capitalism. No where was fascism even mentioned. Nice try to derail the original point.

 

[JoeNormal]

Wrong patient, Wrong diagnosis, wrong medicine.

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Perfect as-is huh?

I stated that the WRONG PATIENT has been identified.

The reason being that the OP is criticizing FASCISM not CAPITALISM.

So, as long as we have FASCISM , things will NOT be "perfect as is"

Capisce?

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Has capitalism as you see it ever existed? It seems to me that the unbridled, unregulated form that you seem to long for existed in the 1800's and even with much less pressure of large populations on limited resources, it still sucked for most people.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Perfect as-is huh?

I stated that the WRONG PATIENT has been identified.

The reason being that the OP is criticizing FASCISM not CAPITALISM.

So, as long as we have FASCISM , things will NOT be "perfect as is"

Capisce?

/

The video is currently criticizing the current configuration of capitalism. No where was fascism even mentioned. Nice try to derail the original point.

The current configuration isn't capitalism. Hence the original point is built on a false premise.