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Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
No they didn't. obummercare was WRITTEN by the insurance companies you moron. As is always true under progressive administrations, the wealthiest one percent of the population does extremely well (far better than they ever do under repub admins I'm sad to say) while the middle class suffers. It is a pattern that I would think even a braind dead moron, like you, could understand.
health care law has led to 50,000 fewer preventable hospital deathsAnyone? Anyone at all? Our costs are up 12% since Obumblecare took effect.
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The report found that "approximately 50,000 fewer patients died in the hospital as a result of the reduction in HACs (hospital-acquired conditions), and approximately $12 billion in health care costs were saved from 2010 to 2013." This occurred "during a period of concerted attention by hospitals throughout the country to reduce adverse events," the report said.
Independent experts said the report is credible.
Lucian Leape, an adjunct professor of health policy at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, told PolitiFact, "I think these data are reliable, and the ACA (Affordable Care Act) deserves credit."
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
No they didn't. obummercare was WRITTEN by the insurance companies you moron. As is always true under progressive administrations, the wealthiest one percent of the population does extremely well (far better than they ever do under repub admins I'm sad to say) while the middle class suffers. It is a pattern that I would think even a braind dead moron, like you, could understand.
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
2014 obamacare paid for 3 operations for me..and then replaced both of my husbands knees.....the deduct put me in debt and i am still paying that.....2015 and this year...i have just paid the insurance companies and got nothing....due to the high deducts.....i love hearing people complain about a 500 buck deduct...i would love that...try 5 k...deduct
Yep. My deduct is 6500.
Ok, so the $6,000+ deductible is now normal? I never had to a deductible that high until ObamaCare. I hardly even saw a health plan with a deductible that high. Now all of them are that way? .... sigh... only the left-wing can see a train wreck like this, and call it 'progress'.
2014 obamacare paid for 3 operations for me..and then replaced both of my husbands knees.....the deduct put me in debt and i am still paying that.....2015 and this year...i have just paid the insurance companies and got nothing....due to the high deducts.....i love hearing people complain about a 500 buck deduct...i would love that...try 5 k...deduct
Yep. My deduct is 6500.
Ok, so the $6,000+ deductible is now normal? I never had to a deductible that high until ObamaCare. I hardly even saw a health plan with a deductible that high. Now all of them are that way? .... sigh... only the left-wing can see a train wreck like this, and call it 'progress'.
In once sense it makes sense.....we do pay a lot of money out for healthcare.
The problem is that the ones paying are the ones who can least afford it.
2014 obamacare paid for 3 operations for me..and then replaced both of my husbands knees.....the deduct put me in debt and i am still paying that.....2015 and this year...i have just paid the insurance companies and got nothing....due to the high deducts.....i love hearing people complain about a 500 buck deduct...i would love that...try 5 k...deduct
Yep. My deduct is 6500.
Ok, so the $6,000+ deductible is now normal? I never had to a deductible that high until ObamaCare. I hardly even saw a health plan with a deductible that high. Now all of them are that way? .... sigh... only the left-wing can see a train wreck like this, and call it 'progress'.
In once sense it makes sense.....we do pay a lot of money out for healthcare.
The problem is that the ones paying are the ones who can least afford it.
Which is what the subsidies are all about. You know, those subsidies you keep whining about?
I do believe that medical cost increased every year before the ACA also..
2014 obamacare paid for 3 operations for me..and then replaced both of my husbands knees.....the deduct put me in debt and i am still paying that.....2015 and this year...i have just paid the insurance companies and got nothing....due to the high deducts.....i love hearing people complain about a 500 buck deduct...i would love that...try 5 k...deduct
Yep. My deduct is 6500.
Ok, so the $6,000+ deductible is now normal? I never had to a deductible that high until ObamaCare. I hardly even saw a health plan with a deductible that high. Now all of them are that way? .... sigh... only the left-wing can see a train wreck like this, and call it 'progress'.
In once sense it makes sense.....we do pay a lot of money out for healthcare.
The problem is that the ones paying are the ones who can least afford it.
Which is what the subsidies are all about. You know, those subsidies you keep whining about?
Yes, you rob from the middle class to give to the one percenters. GREAT PLAN!
My assistant sure did. She was/is able to keep her special needs child on the company plan for several years. The separate policy for the child was going to be so much she couldn’t afford to keep working here; she would have to get a higher paying job to afford the premium.
My assistant sure did. She was/is able to keep her special needs child on the company plan for several years. The separate policy for the child was going to be so much she couldn’t afford to keep working here; she would have to get a higher paying job to afford the premium.
So now sh'es letting other people pay for her via subsidies
She should thank us not Obammy
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
2014 obamacare paid for 3 operations for me..and then replaced both of my husbands knees.....the deduct put me in debt and i am still paying that.....2015 and this year...i have just paid the insurance companies and got nothing....due to the high deducts.....i love hearing people complain about a 500 buck deduct...i would love that...try 5 k...deduct
I already pointed out your intellect has vast gaps in regards to your reading comprehension. I said the US could afford to give every citizen free health care and you start asking what family can afford 34k a year. That is a disturbing disconnect you have going on there.What part about the "US" confused you?The US can.Please provide those numbers.....
8,500 per person per year. That's 34 K per year for a family of four.
We can afford that ?
The average family of four makes 50 to 75 K per year.
They can afford 34 K ?
Good to know.
Was there something you wanted to point out.
Don't be afraid.
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
Not true. I looked up that "research" and found that they considered every single bankruptcy with over (if I remember right) $5000 worth of medical bills, to be a "medical bankruptcy".
The problem is, they could have $100,000 worth of credit card bills, only one bill for $5001 worth of medical bills, and their report, it would be a "medical bankruptcy". No one files bankruptcy on $5,000 dollars. The cost of actually filing the bankruptcy would be almost that much. The national average total cost of filing Chapter 7 is $3,000. Really? You are going to file bankruptcy on $5,000 and pay $3,000 to do it? And chapter 13 is more expensive.
Additionally, they included bankruptcies where the loss of work due to medical problems, they also considered medical bankruptcies. In other words, if you missed 3 months of work, and had to file bankruptcy because you got cancer and couldn't work, that was a medical bankruptcy.
The problem is, if you are recovering from cancer, even if your medical treatment is covered 100%, and you paid not a single penny in medical bills.... you would still miss work. There is no health care system on the planet, where socialized Gov-care magically makes you able to avoid missing work due to an illness. People in France with cancer, still miss work.
And when you miss work, you still don't get paid.
So, your claim about the 'health care costs are the number one cause of bankruptcy'.... is utter crap. Not true.
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
Not true. I looked up that "research" and found that they considered every single bankruptcy with over (if I remember right) $5000 worth of medical bills, to be a "medical bankruptcy".
The problem is, they could have $100,000 worth of credit card bills, only one bill for $5001 worth of medical bills, and their report, it would be a "medical bankruptcy". No one files bankruptcy on $5,000 dollars. The cost of actually filing the bankruptcy would be almost that much. The national average total cost of filing Chapter 7 is $3,000. Really? You are going to file bankruptcy on $5,000 and pay $3,000 to do it? And chapter 13 is more expensive.
Additionally, they included bankruptcies where the loss of work due to medical problems, they also considered medical bankruptcies. In other words, if you missed 3 months of work, and had to file bankruptcy because you got cancer and couldn't work, that was a medical bankruptcy.
The problem is, if you are recovering from cancer, even if your medical treatment is covered 100%, and you paid not a single penny in medical bills.... you would still miss work. There is no health care system on the planet, where socialized Gov-care magically makes you able to avoid missing work due to an illness. People in France with cancer, still miss work.
And when you miss work, you still don't get paid.
So, your claim about the 'health care costs are the number one cause of bankruptcy'.... is utter crap. Not true.
So part of the costs don't fit your nitty-picky criteria so you think you have an excuse to toss the whole thing out. Unless, of course, it happens to you or someone you care about.
As for time off work, here's how the U.S. stacks up compared to the rest of the industrialized world:
Does where you live determine how often you call in sick?
Once again, compared to how it views its citizens, the U.S. is a third-world nation. No wonder y'all are so grumpy about taxes.
Health care was the number one cause of bankruptcy under Bush. Democrats tried to fix that. Republicans did everything they possibly could to fuck it it.
Now Republicans are complaining about what they did and assigning that blame to someone else.
Swine.
Not true. I looked up that "research" and found that they considered every single bankruptcy with over (if I remember right) $5000 worth of medical bills, to be a "medical bankruptcy".
The problem is, they could have $100,000 worth of credit card bills, only one bill for $5001 worth of medical bills, and their report, it would be a "medical bankruptcy". No one files bankruptcy on $5,000 dollars. The cost of actually filing the bankruptcy would be almost that much. The national average total cost of filing Chapter 7 is $3,000. Really? You are going to file bankruptcy on $5,000 and pay $3,000 to do it? And chapter 13 is more expensive.
Additionally, they included bankruptcies where the loss of work due to medical problems, they also considered medical bankruptcies. In other words, if you missed 3 months of work, and had to file bankruptcy because you got cancer and couldn't work, that was a medical bankruptcy.
The problem is, if you are recovering from cancer, even if your medical treatment is covered 100%, and you paid not a single penny in medical bills.... you would still miss work. There is no health care system on the planet, where socialized Gov-care magically makes you able to avoid missing work due to an illness. People in France with cancer, still miss work.
And when you miss work, you still don't get paid.
So, your claim about the 'health care costs are the number one cause of bankruptcy'.... is utter crap. Not true.
So part of the costs don't fit your nitty-picky criteria so you think you have an excuse to toss the whole thing out. Unless, of course, it happens to you or someone you care about.
As for time off work, here's how the U.S. stacks up compared to the rest of the industrialized world:
Does where you live determine how often you call in sick?
Once again, compared to how it views its citizens, the U.S. is a third-world nation. No wonder y'all are so grumpy about taxes.
Nitty-picky? Stop being childish. The research paper, didn't determine how much debt was consumer debt and how much was actually directly related to medical bills.
That's a massive problem. If you buy a $50,000 car, and a $300,000 home, and take out $100,000 in credit card debt, take out $80,000 in student loans to earn a degree in "social work", then you earn $40,000 a year...... and then break your arm, and get a $5,000 medical bill, and you file bankruptcy.... to consider that a "medical bankruptcy" and claim medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy...... is not just wrong, and stupid.... it is intellectually dishonest, which is a nice way of saying you are a scum sucking bold faced lying ignorant fool.
Moreover, if someone does all the same stuff above, but has 100% insurance, and pays ZERO for breaking their arm, but misses 3 months of work and files bankruptcy, to call that a medical bankruptcy is completely bonkers. As if having a socialized system would magically make your bones mend in 25 minutes, so you wouldn't miss a day of work.....
Grow up.
And by the way, it has happened to people I care about. They did something amazing. They got back to work after they recovered, and paid their bills.
In fact, I've done it.
Moreover, out of all the countries in the world, you have a better chance of being diagnosed, treated, and cured, in the US.
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Every single time they look at 5-year survival rates, we're number one. Top of the list.
So when you argue about "do you want to go bankrupt to get health care".... what you are in fact arguing is "Wouldn't it be better to have a higher chance of dying, to avoid bankruptcy?".
To answer your question: No, I'd rather go bankrupt, and live to earn the money back. No dead person, is better off because at least they didn't get a bill.... oh wait... they did get a bill. It's called funeral expenses. Or is that covered by your socialized gov-care system too?
