Do liberals even like this country?

Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.

Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.

I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.

I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.

Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.

The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.

Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.

I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!

So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
The fact that you go through life with blinders on puzzles me

Why wouldn't you want to look at practices used by other countries? If France comes up with a life saving medical procedure.......should we ignore it because it would be admitting we are not the best at everything?

Such a bogus comparison. I'm talking about societal and government structures and you're talking about a medical procedure. That's about as ridiculous as saying if Italy came out with a new pasta dish, we shouldn't serve it here.
Though it went right over your head, yes, it is the same thing
Adopting something someone else is doing is not an admission of your own ineptness. It is what our brightest innovators do every day

Went over my head? It seems that's what happened to my comment. So let me put it another way:

Using a medical procedure created in another country will not duplicate a government or social system. It won't change a thing in our society outside of those who receive the treatment. It won't take over one-sixth of our economy either.

You think we invented healthcare? You think we are not already using insurance practices implemented around the world?

Our founding fathers used political ideas that were developed in France, England, the Greeks, the Romans
Borrowing from other countries built this country
 
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.

The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.

Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.

I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!

So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
The fact that you go through life with blinders on puzzles me

Why wouldn't you want to look at practices used by other countries? If France comes up with a life saving medical procedure.......should we ignore it because it would be admitting we are not the best at everything?

Such a bogus comparison. I'm talking about societal and government structures and you're talking about a medical procedure. That's about as ridiculous as saying if Italy came out with a new pasta dish, we shouldn't serve it here.
Though it went right over your head, yes, it is the same thing
Adopting something someone else is doing is not an admission of your own ineptness. It is what our brightest innovators do every day

Went over my head? It seems that's what happened to my comment. So let me put it another way:

Using a medical procedure created in another country will not duplicate a government or social system. It won't change a thing in our society outside of those who receive the treatment. It won't take over one-sixth of our economy either.

You think we invented healthcare? You think we are not already using insurance practices implemented around the world?

Our founding fathers used political ideas that were developed in France, England, the Greeks, the Romans
Borrowing from other countries built this country

What they did was change those concepts to create a new government and country like no other around the world. They removed the faults of those political ideas before introducing them here.
 
The fact that you go through life with blinders on puzzles me

Why wouldn't you want to look at practices used by other countries? If France comes up with a life saving medical procedure.......should we ignore it because it would be admitting we are not the best at everything?

Such a bogus comparison. I'm talking about societal and government structures and you're talking about a medical procedure. That's about as ridiculous as saying if Italy came out with a new pasta dish, we shouldn't serve it here.
Though it went right over your head, yes, it is the same thing
Adopting something someone else is doing is not an admission of your own ineptness. It is what our brightest innovators do every day

Went over my head? It seems that's what happened to my comment. So let me put it another way:

Using a medical procedure created in another country will not duplicate a government or social system. It won't change a thing in our society outside of those who receive the treatment. It won't take over one-sixth of our economy either.

You think we invented healthcare? You think we are not already using insurance practices implemented around the world?

Our founding fathers used political ideas that were developed in France, England, the Greeks, the Romans
Borrowing from other countries built this country

What they did was change those concepts to create a new government and country like no other around the world. They removed the faults of those political ideas before introducing them here.
Now you are getting it

You look at what other countries are doing and pick what works and ignore what doesn't. It is how innovation works

Liberals really know what they are doing don't they?
 
During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

they like it here only if they can turn it into a concentration camp
 
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Conservatives SAY they love America . But what do they love about it ?

The hate virtually ALL the people in the US . They hate the physical country . They want to do away with environment protection and pave over our forests .

Really, the only thing they love is the American dollar .

So, you're a "conservative". Who knew?

Depends on the subject .


Oh, I also forgot that the right hates the US government too.

The only thing the right hates are liberal socialist policies. Trying to prevent the spread of that (which is available in other countries) shows we love this country.

How about an example?

Like so : righties want to take marriage rights from gay couples . And pretty much any rights for gays . They want them to be second class citizens so they can oppress gays.
 
Conservatives SAY they love America . But what do they love about it ?

The hate virtually ALL the people in the US . They hate the physical country . They want to do away with environment protection and pave over our forests .

Really, the only thing they love is the American dollar .

So, you're a "conservative". Who knew?

Depends on the subject .


Oh, I also forgot that the right hates the US government too.

The only thing the right hates are liberal socialist policies. Trying to prevent the spread of that (which is available in other countries) shows we love this country.

How about an example?

Like so : righties want to take marriage rights from gay couples . And pretty much any rights for gays . They want them to be second class citizens so they can oppress gays.

Nobody is oppressing you gays and there is no "right" to marriage; the word isn't even in our Constitution.

Gays have been marrying for years. If they found a religion that would marry them, then they got married and not one Republican tried to stop them. They didn't recognize the marriage, but not recognizing it is not preventing it either.

However states rights is in the Constitution and the order by the SC that states are forced to recognize gay marriage is not only a violation of states rights, but a violation against the will of the people since most states voted to keep marriage the way it was.
 
Such a bogus comparison. I'm talking about societal and government structures and you're talking about a medical procedure. That's about as ridiculous as saying if Italy came out with a new pasta dish, we shouldn't serve it here.
Though it went right over your head, yes, it is the same thing
Adopting something someone else is doing is not an admission of your own ineptness. It is what our brightest innovators do every day

Went over my head? It seems that's what happened to my comment. So let me put it another way:

Using a medical procedure created in another country will not duplicate a government or social system. It won't change a thing in our society outside of those who receive the treatment. It won't take over one-sixth of our economy either.

You think we invented healthcare? You think we are not already using insurance practices implemented around the world?

Our founding fathers used political ideas that were developed in France, England, the Greeks, the Romans
Borrowing from other countries built this country

What they did was change those concepts to create a new government and country like no other around the world. They removed the faults of those political ideas before introducing them here.
Now you are getting it

You look at what other countries are doing and pick what works and ignore what doesn't. It is how innovation works

Liberals really know what they are doing don't they?

No, that's why we try to stop their socialist polices; so we don't end up like another socialist country that you on the left love so dearly.
 
During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

That's because "theirs" is handouts; and they're lazy, no-good, shiftless, unintelligent people.
Only slackers have, nothing but repeal.
 
I'm sure they far left loves this country. It's full of Useful Idiots who never read the Bill of Rights.
Even third worlders from down south, seem to know federalism better than most of the right wing, in the US.

Doubtful. Based on the alleged reasons why the left protests, they don't understand the Bill of Rights, are totally ignorant of what it says, or are enemies of the COTUS.
Most of those countries south of our federal border, are also federal republics. Only the right wing, never gets it.
 
Can no one see the frustration? you put forth a point of view & what you get back is anger , is there no room for reasoned debate? even if we never agree. would it be better if we understood why that person held that point of view. I get the why of many points of view, what I can't except is my way is the only way. some how our founders managed to Hear each other & find a middle ground. why not us .
 
Conservatives SAY they love America . But what do they love about it ?

The hate virtually ALL the people in the US . They hate the physical country . They want to do away with environment protection and pave over our forests .

Really, the only thing they love is the American dollar .
War on a for-profit basis is what the right wing is good at.

They are, imitation, national socialists.

In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
 
Can no one see the frustration? you put forth a point of view & what you get back is anger , is there no room for reasoned debate? even if we never agree. would it be better if we understood why that person held that point of view. I get the why of many points of view, what I can't except is my way is the only way. some how our founders managed to Hear each other & find a middle ground. why not us .
Begging the question is not very sincere.
 
Conservatives SAY they love America . But what do they love about it ?

The hate virtually ALL the people in the US . They hate the physical country . They want to do away with environment protection and pave over our forests .

Really, the only thing they love is the American dollar .

So, you're a "conservative". Who knew?

Depends on the subject .


Oh, I also forgot that the right hates the US government too.

The only thing the right hates are liberal socialist policies. Trying to prevent the spread of that (which is available in other countries) shows we love this country.

How about an example?

Like so : righties want to take marriage rights from gay couples . And pretty much any rights for gays . They want them to be second class citizens so they can oppress gays.

Nobody is oppressing you gays and there is no "right" to marriage; the word isn't even in our Constitution.

Gays have been marrying for years. If they found a religion that would marry them, then they got married and not one Republican tried to stop them. They didn't recognize the marriage, but not recognizing it is not preventing it either.

However states rights is in the Constitution and the order by the SC that states are forced to recognize gay marriage is not only a violation of states rights, but a violation against the will of the people since most states voted to keep marriage the way it was.

Government marriage is all that counts. It's offered so you shouldn't discriminate against people . I don't see how this effects state rights . Marriage is accepted in all states . Or are you staying marriage should only count in the state you were married in?
 
So, you're a "conservative". Who knew?

Depends on the subject .


Oh, I also forgot that the right hates the US government too.

The only thing the right hates are liberal socialist policies. Trying to prevent the spread of that (which is available in other countries) shows we love this country.

How about an example?

Like so : righties want to take marriage rights from gay couples . And pretty much any rights for gays . They want them to be second class citizens so they can oppress gays.

Nobody is oppressing you gays and there is no "right" to marriage; the word isn't even in our Constitution.

Gays have been marrying for years. If they found a religion that would marry them, then they got married and not one Republican tried to stop them. They didn't recognize the marriage, but not recognizing it is not preventing it either.

However states rights is in the Constitution and the order by the SC that states are forced to recognize gay marriage is not only a violation of states rights, but a violation against the will of the people since most states voted to keep marriage the way it was.

Government marriage is all that counts. It's offered so you shouldn't discriminate against people . I don't see how this effects state rights . Marriage is accepted in all states . Or are you staying marriage should only count in the state you were married in?

I'm saying people voted whether to accept gay marriages or not and most voted not to, and the SC should respect their vote.
 
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