Do liberals even like this country?

[Moonglow]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

Liberals hate America and elect anti America asshats like Obama.

This liberal is an Army veteran. What branch did you serve in to show your true love for your country to the point of sacrificing your life for it.

 

[Moonglow]

Leftism is an ideology of world conquest, the ultimate authoritarianism, globalism.

They can't be happy until everyone belongs to their Borg.

Did conservatives fall into power by happenstance?

 

[WEATHER53]

Liberals don't like to do things but they always have a better idea about how things should be done by others

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.

The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.

Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.

I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!

So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.

No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.

So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.

Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.

Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...

And regular people can't move anywhere unless they're millionaires and don't need to work or are married to a citizen of that country, or a doctor or some other occupation that's highly needed. It's just an ignorant comment.

Don't worry, if they want to go, we'll pony up the money to get rid of liberals here. It would be an investment.

It doesn't take millions to move to another country. Americans do it all the time, just watch HGTV sometime and you will see poor liberals doing exactly that.

Maybe you should stop and remember this country doesn't belong to you, conservatives or republicans..

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

 

[Dr Grump]

they complain about our gun policies compared to other countries, education, taxation, elections, social safety nets, the wealthy, businesses, healthcare, and a host of other things.

So it seems to me they don't care for much about this country other than they were born here.

The right complain about these things all the time too.

Yes we do, but what we don't do is say we should do X like other countries because they do it so much better. We want to improve on the things we have.

And you might improve on those things by looking at how countries do things.

Right wing Americans have this thing. It's a horrible egotistical thing "How dare anybody in the world tell us how to do stuff. We are America. We lead the world in everything! We'll say no to good ideas because we didn't think of it!"

It's a retarded way of thinking....it's pathetic, too..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

One person made you question millions..Why am I not surprised...

No, it's been a series of liberals for a long time; longer than I've been on this forum. They all do the same thing because they've been trained the same way.

 

[Moonglow]

No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.

So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.

Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.

Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...

And regular people can't move anywhere unless they're millionaires and don't need to work or are married to a citizen of that country, or a doctor or some other occupation that's highly needed. It's just an ignorant comment.

Don't worry, if they want to go, we'll pony up the money to get rid of liberals here. It would be an investment.

It doesn't take millions to move to another country. Americans do it all the time, just watch HGTV sometime and you will see poor liberals doing exactly that.

Maybe you should stop and remember this country doesn't belong to you, conservatives or republicans..

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

 

[Moonglow]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

One person made you question millions..Why am I not surprised...

No, it's been a series of liberals for a long time; longer than I've been on this forum. They all do the same thing because they've been trained the same way.

Yes, but it is a syllogistic fallacy to assume the many by observing the few.

 

[Dr Grump]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

And there is only one Germany. One UK. One Australia. One Canada. What is your point? That the US is the Utopia that every immigrant aspires to go to? Um, no.

 

[Marion Morrison]

That would be nice. If I never lived around another liberal again, I would have no complaints. In fact if they moved out of my suburb, my property value would double overnight. So where is this capitalist country you speak of that I should move to?

No, I don't love Democrats; only the ones in my family of course. Loving your country does not mean loving every single person in it. Loving your country means you believe you are in the best place in the world. Loving your country means you love the roots as well as the development. Loving this country means you resist Socialism and Communism that are available to any liberal in this country now. Loving this country means you don't want to be like everybody else.

Oh! And as for the OP, yes, I was talking about you. You with your "It's better here and it's better there." I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of people who live here and complain about this unique place we live and tell me how it's better in other places. And again......you never hear Republicans saying the same thing. You never hear or read Republicans telling anybody how much better another country is and how we should replicate them. That is what love of your country means, and liberals don't have that.......apparently...

I'm sure, actually positive, that if you didn't live around another Liberal again, you'd find other things to hate.

Oh, loving your country doesn't meaning loving everyone in it, or loving everything about your country. How convenient AFTER you just said Liberals don't like the US because they don't like some things about it. Do you not see the MASSIVE contradiction there? Come on Ray, I thought you were better than that, but it turns out you're just another partisan hack making facts fit the script, and if they don't, get rid of them, they're fake news.

Loving the US does NOT mean that you support the policies that YOU like.

Yes, I know you were talking about me.

I'm sick and fucking tired of your bullshit too Ray. Because all you seem to do lately is bullshit. There's no logic to your posts. It's simple black and white. Republicans have the sun shining out of their fucking asses, and Democrats are evil.

If a Democrat says "today is Sunday" you will think they are wrong. If a Republican says "today is Sunday" they are an enlightened person who is clearly right.

I'm used to people coming on here and talking absolute bullshit. Just because you make a post about it, doesn't make you right.

Here is your "argument" in a nutshell.

Liberals hate some things about America, therefore they hate America.
Conservatives hate some things about America, therefore they love America.

Seriously?

Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.

There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.

The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.

Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.

Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.

I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.

I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.

Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.

The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.

Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.

I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!

So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.

No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.

So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.

What exactly is your plan to improve America?

Will an 11 year old be able to go into the woods and shoot rabbits with a gun?

Could an 11 year old go fishing without having to pay the state?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

they complain about our gun policies compared to other countries, education, taxation, elections, social safety nets, the wealthy, businesses, healthcare, and a host of other things.

So it seems to me they don't care for much about this country other than they were born here.

The right complain about these things all the time too.

Yes we do, but what we don't do is say we should do X like other countries because they do it so much better. We want to improve on the things we have.

And you might improve on those things by looking at how countries do things.

Right wing Americans have this thing. It's a horrible egotistical thing "How dare anybody in the world tell us how to do stuff. We are America. We lead the world in everything! We'll say no to good ideas because we didn't think of it!"

It's a retarded way of thinking....it's pathetic, too..

No, we don't need other countries to tell us how to do things. We'll figure out our own way. And we don't need Americans telling us how other countries do things so much better as well.

Kind of reminds me of when my father was invited to Poland years ago. He said people drive like maniacs there, and when their cab stopped at a gas station for gasoline, they had a wet bar set up, and his driver went there for a few drinks. If that ever happened here, it would be national news. We don't do things like that.

Or a friend of mine who's father was a Polish immigrant. He worked here nearly his entire adult life, and when he retired, he went back to Poland because his UAW retirement and Social Security went a long way over there.

After a couple of years, he became ill and was hospitalized. My friend called the hospital to check on his father and how his stroke was coming along. They told him they were concerned about his drinking. My friend assumed they did some liver tests or something to know about his alcohol abuse. When he questioned them, they said that he asks for a bottle all the time. My friend asked what did they do about it? They said they give him one. And when he finishes it, he asks for another one. And again, they gave him another one.

So should we adopt those policies over here? And if they don't do things like that anymore in Poland, didn't they take a tip from the US instead of the other way around?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

And there is only one Germany. One UK. One Australia. One Canada. What is your point? That the US is the Utopia that every immigrant aspires to go to? Um, no.

My point is that we don't need to be an extension of Europe. Let them use their own ideas and their own government. Don't turn us into Europe. If you think Europe is so great, then move there and quit trying to change us. We have our problems like any other country, but we like our country this way.

 

[Dr Grump]

No, we don't need other countries to tell us how to do things. We'll figure out our own way. And we don't need Americans telling us how other countries do things so much better as well.

Kind of reminds me of when my father was invited to Poland years ago. He said people drive like maniacs there, and when their cab stopped at a gas station for gasoline, they had a wet bar set up, and his driver went there for a few drinks. If that ever happened here, it would be national news. We don't do things like that.

Or a friend of mine who's father was a Polish immigrant. He worked here nearly his entire adult life, and when he retired, he went back to Poland because his UAW retirement and Social Security went a long way over there.

After a couple of years, he became ill and was hospitalized. My friend called the hospital to check on his father and how his stroke was coming along. They told him they were concerned about his drinking. My friend assumed they did some liver tests or something to know about his alcohol abuse. When he questioned them, they said that he asks for a bottle all the time. My friend asked what did they do about it? They said they give him one. And when he finishes it, he asks for another one. And again, they gave him another one.

So should we adopt those policies over here? And if they don't do things like that anymore in Poland, didn't they take a tip from the US instead of the other way around?

So you provide one bad example? I'm talking about good examples. There are plenty out there.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Lemme guess, someone wants to outlaw an 11-year old owning a Marlin model 60, to which I say .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.

Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...

And regular people can't move anywhere unless they're millionaires and don't need to work or are married to a citizen of that country, or a doctor or some other occupation that's highly needed. It's just an ignorant comment.

Don't worry, if they want to go, we'll pony up the money to get rid of liberals here. It would be an investment.

It doesn't take millions to move to another country. Americans do it all the time, just watch HGTV sometime and you will see poor liberals doing exactly that.

Maybe you should stop and remember this country doesn't belong to you, conservatives or republicans..

No it doesn't, but since we are not a socialist society yet, it's the conservatives that will help stop it from being that way. Remember: once liberals ruin this place and turn it into all the others, there is no other USA to move to. Unlike other liberal and socialist countries, there is only one USA.

Maybe you should stop worrying about the worry and fear and see that socialism is nothing to fear since it doesn't exist in the US.

Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

 

[Dr Grump]

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My point is that we don't need to be an extension of Europe. Let them use their own ideas and their own government. Don't turn us into Europe. If you think Europe is so great, then move there and quit trying to change us. We have our problems like any other country, but we like our country this way.

That is patently not true. If you all liked your country, you wouldn't be on here bitching 24/7. Do I bitch about NZ or Australia? No. Do they have problems? Sure, but nowhere on the scale of the US.

So you would basically turn down a good idea simply because it wasn't American? That is such retarded thinking. It really is...

 

[Si modo]

Posting the fucking results of the popular Election does not amount to "being ignorant of COTUS" you Right wing cry baby...you just do not like that being posted ...

No matter how much you cry, this is still a constitutional republic.

 

[Dr Grump]

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Well I'm sorry, but it does in sectors of our country. What are our social programs if not socialism? What is taking from the rich to give to the poor if not socialism? What is trying to make everybody "equal" if not socialism?

Why do you hold the rich in such high regard? Did you not see Franco's post?
If you take your ideals to the nth degree, do you know what you end up with? Bolivia. Peru. Mexico. Nicaragua. Brazil. They are countries where 1 percent of the people are uber rich, while 99 percent of the rest are dirt poor. That is the reality. Your middle class has been disappearing for the past 20 years. What's the point of being rich when the stuff you got rich off is unaffordable to 99 per cent of the population.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Did y'all know that a Marlin model 60 is an 18-shot semi-automatic .22 rifle?

It is. A mighty fine one at that, especially the one I had. Capable of putting bullet on bullet.

What's this about banning less than 18-round magazines?

 

[Marion Morrison]

There's a nice place downtown called Old Ebbits Grill and we can meet outside to further discuss the merits of your insults and your dependency mental illness and hostility
Sound like a way to clear the air?

sorry I do not play fair ....

I'm sorry you are Derp, but it is what it is.