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Apparent to who?
Oh, because you get all the simple symbolism out, wave your flags around, tell anyone who doesn't do your mindless patriotism that they don't love the country.
You say you love the country, do you love DEMOCRATS? Because they're a part of the country, which means, you, loving every inch of the country, means you love Democrats. If you don't love Democrats Ray, you can fuck off to some country that doesn't have Democrats, can't you?
That would be nice. If I never lived around another liberal again, I would have no complaints. In fact if they moved out of my suburb, my property value would double overnight. So where is this capitalist country you speak of that I should move to?
No, I don't love Democrats; only the ones in my family of course. Loving your country does not mean loving every single person in it. Loving your country means you believe you are in the best place in the world. Loving your country means you love the roots as well as the development. Loving this country means you resist Socialism and Communism that are available to any liberal in this country now. Loving this country means you don't want to be like everybody else.
Oh! And as for the OP, yes, I was talking about you. You with your "It's better here and it's better there." I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of people who live here and complain about this unique place we live and tell me how it's better in other places. And again......you never hear Republicans saying the same thing. You never hear or read Republicans telling anybody how much better another country is and how we should replicate them. That is what love of your country means, and liberals don't have that.......apparently...
I'm sure, actually positive, that if you didn't live around another Liberal again, you'd find other things to hate.
Oh, loving your country doesn't meaning loving everyone in it, or loving everything about your country. How convenient AFTER you just said Liberals don't like the US because they don't like some things about it. Do you not see the MASSIVE contradiction there? Come on Ray, I thought you were better than that, but it turns out you're just another partisan hack making facts fit the script, and if they don't, get rid of them, they're fake news.
Loving the US does NOT mean that you support the policies that YOU like.
Yes, I know you were talking about me.
I'm sick and fucking tired of your bullshit too Ray. Because all you seem to do lately is bullshit. There's no logic to your posts. It's simple black and white. Republicans have the sun shining out of their fucking asses, and Democrats are evil.
If a Democrat says "today is Sunday" you will think they are wrong. If a Republican says "today is Sunday" they are an enlightened person who is clearly right.
I'm used to people coming on here and talking absolute bullshit. Just because you make a post about it, doesn't make you right.
Here is your "argument" in a nutshell.
Liberals hate some things about America, therefore they hate America.
Conservatives hate some things about America, therefore they love America.
Seriously?
Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
Nope...They have been indoctrinated to believe the US is the cause of all the problems in the world. That we are prosperous not because of the people who create and achieve,. but because there are poor people across the globe, we here in the states, STOLE from them. These lefties actually believe that but for the existence of the US, poor people would be prosperous.During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
holy shit.....Ya ok.....Look, you go on living in your own reality. Don't expect others to go along for the ride.Conservatives want to make it like SomaliaLiberals LOVE this country....that is why we are always looking for ways to make it better
Conservatives are only looking for more ways that the country can make profit for the wealthy
Yea make it like faggot Europe.
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Open guns and you do whatever you please
I'm sure the left loves this country. It's full of Useful Idiots who never read the Bill of Rights.
Went right over your head didn't it Skippyholy shit.....Ya ok.....Look, you go on living in your own reality. Don't expect others to go along for the ride.Conservatives want to make it like SomaliaLiberals LOVE this country....that is why we are always looking for ways to make it better
Conservatives are only looking for more ways that the country can make profit for the wealthy
Yea make it like faggot Europe.
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Open guns and you do whatever you please
That would be nice. If I never lived around another liberal again, I would have no complaints. In fact if they moved out of my suburb, my property value would double overnight. So where is this capitalist country you speak of that I should move to?
No, I don't love Democrats; only the ones in my family of course. Loving your country does not mean loving every single person in it. Loving your country means you believe you are in the best place in the world. Loving your country means you love the roots as well as the development. Loving this country means you resist Socialism and Communism that are available to any liberal in this country now. Loving this country means you don't want to be like everybody else.
Oh! And as for the OP, yes, I was talking about you. You with your "It's better here and it's better there." I'm sick of hearing about it. I'm sick of people who live here and complain about this unique place we live and tell me how it's better in other places. And again......you never hear Republicans saying the same thing. You never hear or read Republicans telling anybody how much better another country is and how we should replicate them. That is what love of your country means, and liberals don't have that.......apparently...
I'm sure, actually positive, that if you didn't live around another Liberal again, you'd find other things to hate.
Oh, loving your country doesn't meaning loving everyone in it, or loving everything about your country. How convenient AFTER you just said Liberals don't like the US because they don't like some things about it. Do you not see the MASSIVE contradiction there? Come on Ray, I thought you were better than that, but it turns out you're just another partisan hack making facts fit the script, and if they don't, get rid of them, they're fake news.
Loving the US does NOT mean that you support the policies that YOU like.
Yes, I know you were talking about me.
I'm sick and fucking tired of your bullshit too Ray. Because all you seem to do lately is bullshit. There's no logic to your posts. It's simple black and white. Republicans have the sun shining out of their fucking asses, and Democrats are evil.
If a Democrat says "today is Sunday" you will think they are wrong. If a Republican says "today is Sunday" they are an enlightened person who is clearly right.
I'm used to people coming on here and talking absolute bullshit. Just because you make a post about it, doesn't make you right.
Here is your "argument" in a nutshell.
Liberals hate some things about America, therefore they hate America.
Conservatives hate some things about America, therefore they love America.
Seriously?
Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...I'm sure, actually positive, that if you didn't live around another Liberal again, you'd find other things to hate.
Oh, loving your country doesn't meaning loving everyone in it, or loving everything about your country. How convenient AFTER you just said Liberals don't like the US because they don't like some things about it. Do you not see the MASSIVE contradiction there? Come on Ray, I thought you were better than that, but it turns out you're just another partisan hack making facts fit the script, and if they don't, get rid of them, they're fake news.
Loving the US does NOT mean that you support the policies that YOU like.
Yes, I know you were talking about me.
I'm sick and fucking tired of your bullshit too Ray. Because all you seem to do lately is bullshit. There's no logic to your posts. It's simple black and white. Republicans have the sun shining out of their fucking asses, and Democrats are evil.
If a Democrat says "today is Sunday" you will think they are wrong. If a Republican says "today is Sunday" they are an enlightened person who is clearly right.
I'm used to people coming on here and talking absolute bullshit. Just because you make a post about it, doesn't make you right.
Here is your "argument" in a nutshell.
Liberals hate some things about America, therefore they hate America.
Conservatives hate some things about America, therefore they love America.
Seriously?
Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.
In a nutshell? No they don't like the US. But that's not the worst part. What exactly do they want?During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
I'm sure, actually positive, that if you didn't live around another Liberal again, you'd find other things to hate.
Oh, loving your country doesn't meaning loving everyone in it, or loving everything about your country. How convenient AFTER you just said Liberals don't like the US because they don't like some things about it. Do you not see the MASSIVE contradiction there? Come on Ray, I thought you were better than that, but it turns out you're just another partisan hack making facts fit the script, and if they don't, get rid of them, they're fake news.
Loving the US does NOT mean that you support the policies that YOU like.
Yes, I know you were talking about me.
I'm sick and fucking tired of your bullshit too Ray. Because all you seem to do lately is bullshit. There's no logic to your posts. It's simple black and white. Republicans have the sun shining out of their fucking asses, and Democrats are evil.
If a Democrat says "today is Sunday" you will think they are wrong. If a Republican says "today is Sunday" they are an enlightened person who is clearly right.
I'm used to people coming on here and talking absolute bullshit. Just because you make a post about it, doesn't make you right.
Here is your "argument" in a nutshell.
Liberals hate some things about America, therefore they hate America.
Conservatives hate some things about America, therefore they love America.
Seriously?
Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.
BS, hater dupe. Absolutely clueless and brainwashed. Dems don't like what the New BS pander to the rich GOP has done to the country the last 35 years. The leftists you're brainwashed about are less than 1% and ARE nuts...The RWNJs you're one of are about half the GOP. Great job, New BS GOP bs/hate propaganda machine.In a nutshell? No they don't like the US. But that's not the worst part. What exactly do they want?During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
They want socialism, and prosperity. Without having businesses to provide that prosperity or people having to work for it.
They want equal rights for women and gays, but they also want muslim laws.
They want transgender stories be considered normal, kill unborn children and reduce the population, and somehow keep social programs afloat.
They want to cut the military down to nothing, and at the same time take citizens guns away. How they expect to defend the country is a mystery.
These are the real issues with being a left wing nut. They don't like this country, but won't move to another one. They would prefer to fuck up this one.
During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
It's their country too. Just because you have certain things that you think are Utopia, so do they. They happen to think their ideal country is different from yours. The country you have now is a lot different from the country your FF's created. Some bits for good, some for bad.
Most liberals I know don't want to change every aspect of it at all. Just another myth created by the right trying to make out they are 'true' Americans.
Here's what pander to the rich has done the last 35 years, all to save the greedy idiot GOP megarich from paying their fair share:During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
It's their country too. Just because you have certain things that you think are Utopia, so do they. They happen to think their ideal country is different from yours. The country you have now is a lot different from the country your FF's created. Some bits for good, some for bad.
Most liberals I know don't want to change every aspect of it at all. Just another myth created by the right trying to make out they are 'true' Americans.
Maybe you didn't follow the conversation. But yes, liberals here often bring up other countries particularly major policies when trying to promote their liberal agendas. So one more time, they complain about our gun policies compared to other countries, education, taxation, elections, social safety nets, the wealthy, businesses, healthcare, and a host of other things.
So it seems to me they don't care for much about this country other than they were born here.
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Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.
The problem is Ray that you've taken a side. I look at something to decide whether I think it's good or bad, you just decided that the left like it, therefore it must be bad. That's ridiculous.
Have you been to Europe? Have you seen how the NHS works? Or the French system works? Have you taken the time to learn about these things? Or is it that you know what you want because the rich folk have told you enough times, so you try and make everything fit your view of the world?
You might not want the left to take over, there is always a constant fight in every country between people with different views, but different views aren't the difference between loving the country (if they support YOUR views) and hating the country (because they don't support YOUR views).
So you don't want to be like Europe. The Europe you know nothing about..... surely it should be a case of finding out what WORKS and then seeing how you can make it work in the US. Rather than "Europe does this, so it must be a bad idea".
I always look forward to hearing from you Franco, it's the drug fueled crazy I miss the most.BS, hater dupe. Absolutely clueless and brainwashed. Dems don't like what the New BS pander to the rich GOP has done to the country the last 35 years. The leftists you're brainwashed about are less than 1% and ARE nuts...The RWNJs you're one of are about half the GOP. Great job, New BS GOP bs/hate propaganda machine.In a nutshell? No they don't like the US. But that's not the worst part. What exactly do they want?During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
They want socialism, and prosperity. Without having businesses to provide that prosperity or people having to work for it.
They want equal rights for women and gays, but they also want muslim laws.
They want transgender stories be considered normal, kill unborn children and reduce the population, and somehow keep social programs afloat.
They want to cut the military down to nothing, and at the same time take citizens guns away. How they expect to defend the country is a mystery.
These are the real issues with being a left wing nut. They don't like this country, but won't move to another one. They would prefer to fuck up this one.
they complain about our gun policies compared to other countries, education, taxation, elections, social safety nets, the wealthy, businesses, healthcare, and a host of other things.
So it seems to me they don't care for much about this country other than they were born here.
Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...Completely wrong. It seems that liberals hate most things about America, not some things. I gave you the list of the major things liberals would like to change, would you like me to list them again? Of course not because you know I'm right.
There is no bullshit about what I speak of, and if you ever find any, by all means, bring it up. Everything I have said (and do say) is true. If you want to prove them false, I welcome the challenge.
The things we Republicans don't like about our country are the things liberals plagued us with just like those Socialist European countries. We don't want to be Sweden, we don't want to be Poland, we don't want to be Germany, we want to be America. The Socialism we have in the US is what's destroying our country, so we want to send that Socialism back to Europe while you on the left want to keep inviting it back in.
Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.
And regular people can't move anywhere unless they're millionaires and don't need to work or are married to a citizen of that country, or a doctor or some other occupation that's highly needed. It's just an ignorant comment.
they complain about our gun policies compared to other countries, education, taxation, elections, social safety nets, the wealthy, businesses, healthcare, and a host of other things.
So it seems to me they don't care for much about this country other than they were born here.
The right complain about these things all the time too.
One person made you question millions..Why am I not surprised...During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?
How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.
What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.
Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.
So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?
It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.
Maybe you should stop and remember this country doesn't belong to you, conservatives or republicans..Stopping the pander to the rich brainwashing GOP is not becoming European, just fairer to the middle class, investing in our now 2nd class infrastructure and training services...Yes Ray, there is a LOT of bullshit. Your logic is completely out of whack for a start.
Yes, Republicans don't like things that Democrats do, and Democrats don't like things that Republicans do, and somehow this is Republicans loving their country, because as always, the right decide that THEIR POLICIES are PATRIOTIC and Democrat policies are treason, or something like that. It's always been like that, go look at the right in Turkey or Israel or wherever.
I understand what this is trying to do, it's trying to force people to accept your view out of fear of being branded whatever you want to brand them as. In the 1950s-1990s it was Communists, now it could be a Muslim love, a Communist, a traitor, whatever, it's name calling at it's worst, bullying at it's worst and shows you don't have a decent argument to go by.
I'm not a Socialist Ray. I hate Socialism and Communism. But I also hate blatantly obvious bullshit and people who will say ANYTHING to get what they want, no matter how contradictory it is to the last thing they just said, and this is EXACTLY what you're doing.
Then I have no idea what you're reading when you read my posts. My point was that Republicans never try to compare other countries to ours because we believe we have the greatest country in the world. Liberals do not; always telling us how great it is in other places.
The fact that liberals want to change just about everything in America makes me wonder if you people even like this country--not because Democrat policies are treason, but because you are always telling us how wrong our country is compared to others because their systems are so superior to ours.
Bottom line is it seems we Republicans love our country while you on the left love other countries.
I guess I'll never understand some people. Kind of reminds me of what our state is doing now which is putting up sound barriers on the highways to make it a tad bit quieter for the homes that border the highway. To a liberal, this is logical. To a conservative, WTF did you buy a house next to the Fn highway for??? Now we are wasting tens of millions of dollars because you clowns bought cheaper homes by the highway, and then complained to your representatives about the noise!
So to me, it makes no sense when liberals complain we are not like other countries instead of packing your bags and going to these other countries. If it's so great there with their socialized medical care, their gun laws, their taxation, their election system, their education system, move and live in your utopia. But no. Instead, stay here and complain.
No Ray, your point is that everything Democrats do is rubbish and everything Republicans do is fucking amazing. That's your point, and it's bullshit.
So, it makes no sense to you when liberals complain about something and then want their country to be improved. Why? Because you're going to do everything to stop it happening because you want rich people to get richer, and poor people to go fuck themselves.
Why in the world would we not want to stop leftists from trying to turn us into another European country? We on the right don't want to be another European country, we want to preserve the USA. Do you know what that means? It means not being like Europe, their social structure, or their governments.
And regular people can't move anywhere unless they're millionaires and don't need to work or are married to a citizen of that country, or a doctor or some other occupation that's highly needed. It's just an ignorant comment.
Don't worry, if they want to go, we'll pony up the money to get rid of liberals here. It would be an investment.
It doesn't take millions to move to another country. Americans do it all the time, just watch HGTV sometime and you will see poor liberals doing exactly that.
