Do liberals even like this country?

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are a lying piece of shit who just lost all credibility with that unprecedented lie. I can not tolerate anyone who deliberately lies to that extent. Since you have no integrity, no crediility, I am just going to ignore you from now on.

Zero indictments or convictions of Obama or his administration

Trump has not yet gone six months and he is under a Special Prosecutor

Yeah, because I'm sure DumBama would have hired a special prosecutor for himself or his minions. Geez, you can't even spot the obvious.

The Republican Congress was quite busy trying to find ANYTHING to pin on Obama.......Nine investigations of Benghazi alone
Historical note. There was only one investigation of 9-11

So what was to investigate with 911? We were attacked by a foreign entity. With Benghazi, there was evidence to have an investigation. There were pleas for help before the attack, there was no response to help the victims involved in that hours long attack. DumBama went to bed as if nothing was happening so he could fly to Vegas for a fundraiser the next morning. Then his administration lied about the cause of the attack.

What do we have with this Russia investigation where they are now going back ten years into Trumps life? Because he made a joke about Russia hacking Hillary's email? Because the DNC server under Obama's watch was actually hacked? That's it????

Benghazi.....four Americans killed by terrorists
Nine investigations

9-11.... 3000 Americans killed by terrorists
One investigation

Ah yes, that comprehension problem again.

 

[rightwinger]

Zero indictments or convictions of Obama or his administration

Trump has not yet gone six months and he is under a Special Prosecutor

Yeah, because I'm sure DumBama would have hired a special prosecutor for himself or his minions. Geez, you can't even spot the obvious.

The Republican Congress was quite busy trying to find ANYTHING to pin on Obama.......Nine investigations of Benghazi alone
Historical note. There was only one investigation of 9-11

So what was to investigate with 911? We were attacked by a foreign entity. With Benghazi, there was evidence to have an investigation. There were pleas for help before the attack, there was no response to help the victims involved in that hours long attack. DumBama went to bed as if nothing was happening so he could fly to Vegas for a fundraiser the next morning. Then his administration lied about the cause of the attack.

What do we have with this Russia investigation where they are now going back ten years into Trumps life? Because he made a joke about Russia hacking Hillary's email? Because the DNC server under Obama's watch was actually hacked? That's it????

Benghazi.....four Americans killed by terrorists
Nine investigations

9-11.... 3000 Americans killed by terrorists
One investigation

Ah yes, that comprehension problem again.

Actually, it is a problem of Republicans overplaying a bad hand

Their five year old investigations of Hillary emails and Benghazi beat a dead horse
Three year investigation of a blow job
Seven year investigation of Whitewater

 

[Billo_Really]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

If you love this country so much, why do you have to make up your own reality? If you love this country so much, why do you choose partisan politics over the US Constitution? If you love this country so much, why do you keep making excuses for Trump?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

During a debate with a leftist this morning, I was once again told how much better things are in other places, and that made me ask myself if liberals even like this country yet alone love it?

How great other countries have it is a leftist argument they make all the time. It's beginning to be almost as common as saying the right are racist, sexist, homophobes.

What crossed my mind this morning is something I never thought of before: conservatives never say how much better it is in other places. We have our faults, we have our differences, but you never read a conservative say our country is not as good as X.

Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs.

So I'm going to ask this question one more time even though I've never gotten an answer before: If it's so good "there" WTF are you doing here?

It's apparent that we on the right love our country and the left does not. So the question I have (especially to you leftists) is if you do even like this country? It sure as hell doesn't seem like it since you want to change every aspect of it.

If you love this country so much, why do you have to make up your own reality? If you love this country so much, why do you choose partisan politics over the US Constitution? If you love this country so much, why do you keep making excuses for Trump?

Who made excuses for Trump? Who is against our US Constitution? Who is making up their own reality?

 

[Billo_Really]

Who made excuses for Trump? Who is against our US Constitution? Who is making up their own reality?

You are.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Who made excuses for Trump? Who is against our US Constitution? Who is making up their own reality?

You are.

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

 

[Billo_Really]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

 

[rightwinger]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Some countries do some things better than we do

Why are you afraid to try to learn from it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Some countries do some things better than we do

Why are you afraid to try to learn from it?

Because most of the time those countries you leftists bring up are socialist utopias, and I don't want to see that happen to this country. Let the socialist countries do things their way and we do our things our way. The more of their ideas that we adopt, the closer that brings us to being more like them.

 

[rightwinger]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Some countries do some things better than we do

Why are you afraid to try to learn from it?

Because most of the time those countries you leftists bring up are socialist utopias, and I don't want to see that happen to this country. Let the socialist countries do things their way and we do our things our way. The more of their ideas that we adopt, the closer that brings us to being more like them.

Most are not socialist
Socialism controls both the means of production and prices. Very few European countries are socialist

You confuse social programs for socialism. Social programs are just government doing things for the people who elected them





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[Ray From Cleveland]

I asked three questions. Give me an example of at least one of them.

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Some countries do some things better than we do

Why are you afraid to try to learn from it?

Because most of the time those countries you leftists bring up are socialist utopias, and I don't want to see that happen to this country. Let the socialist countries do things their way and we do our things our way. The more of their ideas that we adopt, the closer that brings us to being more like them.

Most are not socialist
Socialism controls both the means of production and prices. Very few European countries are socialist

You confuse social programs for socialism. Social programs are just government doing things for the people who elected them

And in this country, government is not supposed to do things for the people, government is to govern. People are supposed to do things for themselves.

 

[rightwinger]

This is making up your own reality.

"Liberals are quite the opposite. They want us to change our healthcare system like "theirs." They want us to have gun restrictions like theirs. They want us to have an education system like theirs. They want us to have a government structure like theirs. They want us to have an immigration system like theirs. They want us to have a justice system like theirs. We should take most of the money from rich people like they do. We need to change our election system like theirs."​

"They, us, theirs", when you generalize and speak for others, that's creating your own reality.

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Some countries do some things better than we do

Why are you afraid to try to learn from it?

Because most of the time those countries you leftists bring up are socialist utopias, and I don't want to see that happen to this country. Let the socialist countries do things their way and we do our things our way. The more of their ideas that we adopt, the closer that brings us to being more like them.

Most are not socialist
Socialism controls both the means of production and prices. Very few European countries are socialist

You confuse social programs for socialism. Social programs are just government doing things for the people who elected them

And in this country, government is not supposed to do things for the people, government is to govern. People are supposed to do things for themselves.

Of course they are

We the People formed a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people

 

[basquebromance]

in today's america, the 1st amendment somehow protects a topless woman's right to saunter around tourists in NY while also requiring the removal of a monument to the Ten Commandments from a courtroom in alabama.

ISIS wage war not just on Christians, but also on truth and history and civility...it is something i cannot help thinking about when i watch the heavily funded leftist groups hell-bent on tearing down America's most precious monuments and obliterating the very history and ideals that created the greatest country in the history of the world, the most powerful beacon for LIBERTY around the world.

this all backfires. for example, after radical activists complained about "Christian privelege" because of a Nativity scene in Minnesota, the town dismantled it. resident responded by erecting creches in their own front yards. by christmas, the one single nativity scene had spawned thousands of them in people's front yard all over the state.

the angry leftists are not content only trampling religious liberty and obliterating american history from our lives. their task will not be complete until they have totally perverted the founder's ideals for a free democratic republic. not until they have entirely gutted self-governance will their job be finished.

 

[basquebromance]

Female Student: The Left Made Me a Trump Supporter

 

[basquebromance]

Millennial liberals in particular are an embarrassment. These are the flip flop wearing, superhero movie watching, soyfaced eunuchs who may cost us the nation.

The generation of Peter Pans who never put childish things aside, who live in perpetual adolescence with their video games and comic books.

 

[Billo_Really]

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Those are not conversations. That is your own subjective summary of what you took from those conversations. If they were conversations, you would be providing direct quotes.

And your summary is skewed and does not give an accurate picture of liberals. I'm a liberal. I don't talk like that. I don't see many liberals talking that, either.

You should spend a little more time vetting your lame strawman arguments.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Those are not conversations. That is your own subjective summary of what you took from those conversations. If they were conversations, you would be providing direct quotes.

And your summary is skewed and does not give an accurate picture of liberals. I'm a liberal. I don't talk like that. I don't see many liberals talking that, either.

You should spend a little more time vetting your lame strawman arguments.

Maybe you should spend more time reading more on USMB. Why do you think I started this thread, because liberals don't say these things?

You mean liberals don't tell us how great government healthcare is in other places? You mean liberals didn't go on a rant about how great voting is in other countries because they don't use an Electoral College? You mean liberals never said how much better education is in Europe? You mean liberals never say how much better other countries have it because they have less wealth people?

 

[rightwinger]

Not at all. These are the conversations I have with many liberals here; always telling me how great it is in other countries and how much better they do things than we do. That's not creating your own reality, that is reality.

Those are not conversations. That is your own subjective summary of what you took from those conversations. If they were conversations, you would be providing direct quotes.

And your summary is skewed and does not give an accurate picture of liberals. I'm a liberal. I don't talk like that. I don't see many liberals talking that, either.

You should spend a little more time vetting your lame strawman arguments.

Maybe you should spend more time reading more on USMB. Why do you think I started this thread, because liberals don't say these things?

You mean liberals don't tell us how great government healthcare is in other places? You mean liberals didn't go on a rant about how great voting is in other countries because they don't use an Electoral College? You mean liberals never said how much better education is in Europe? You mean liberals never say how much better other countries have it because they have less wealth people?

Guess what?

Many countries DO have better healthcare than we do, other countries have better education, have better roads and rail systems, faster and cheaper Internet

Denying it does nothing to improve our system

You remind me of North Korea denying that better systems exist