Do You View Socialism Positively?

Under socialism, the state forces people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation.
How can anyone look upon that favorably?

Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?
 
In reality, successful economies rely upon various approaches. As one example, the United States would not have developed as it has were it not for the "socialist" policies of land redistribution by the government (Homestead Act, railroads), the Rural Electrification Act (the rural red Midwestern states could never afford it on their own), and the many, many public works departments across the land that provide utility access.
Those were good for the economy and in no way are they anti-capitalist. Socialists like to pretend capitalism is synonymous with greed and corruption.
Hater dupes think socialism is communism.
 
All these posts on socialism and each seems to define the word socialism to fit his own political beliefs. For some time America, as many nations is considered to have an economic system of capitalism and socialism. As someone once said, Americans liked socialist programs but hates the word. Can anyone give an accepted scholarly definition of socialism? Might be informative to also list all the different types. Wonder why Marx hated most forms of socialism but his own?
 
Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?
Capitalists have wanted an educated healthy workforce for many years. What planet are you from?
 
All these posts on socialism and each seems to define the word socialism to fit his own political beliefs. For some time America, as many nations is considered to have an economic system of capitalism and socialism. As someone once said, Americans liked socialist programs but hates the word. Can anyone give an accepted scholarly definition of socialism? Might be informative to also list all the different types. Wonder why Marx hated most forms of socialism but his own?
I think the dictionary is a good go to source for word definitions. I think most people are referring to the primary one:

Socialism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

Having a program in place like education for kids benefits society, is funded by capitalism and the people own the government and can adjust as necessary. Liberals tend to want to strip those rights away and make us subjects of the state instead of citizens. That's where the dispute is. Instead of just running schools, they'll be running everything with no accountability.
 
In reality, successful economies rely upon various approaches. As one example, the United States would not have developed as it has were it not for the "socialist" policies of land redistribution by the government (Homestead Act, railroads), the Rural Electrification Act (the rural red Midwestern states could never afford it on their own), and the many, many public works departments across the land that provide utility access.
Yeah thats horseshit.
Development in the South is greater in areas that are not serviced by TVA than in those that are.
 
Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?
Capitalists have wanted an educated healthy workforce for many years. What planet are you from?

Are you trying to claim that public education and Medicaid, etc., are not socialist programs, or are you conceding that Capitalism is better with elements of Socialism included?
 
Under socialism, the state forces people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation.
How can anyone look upon that favorably?

Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?

Your belief that those children are getting an education from the current system is laughable. A private system of education would actually educate children and not just warehouse them along along with a bunch of hoodlums where they will be assaulted on a daily basis. They wouldn't have their brains soaked in liberal Kool-Aid and be bombarded by propaganda and serve as the target of various agendas by numerous political groups.

I'm certain there are more than enough caring liberals willing to pool their funds and provide an education for those who can't afford it, right?
 
Are you trying to claim that public education and Medicaid, etc., are not socialist programs, or are you conceding that Capitalism is better with elements of Socialism included?
I'm not trying anything. I'm saying that isn't socialism. Using the term "elements of socialism" means that you don't think so either. Private health care is better than government health care, I've experienced it first hand. And private ed is kicking public ed's ass so even those "elements of socialism" is a big fail.
 
Under socialism, the state forces people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation.
How can anyone look upon that favorably?

Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?

Your belief that those children are getting an education from the current system is laughable. A private system of education would actually educate children and not just warehouse them along along with a bunch of hoodlums where they will be assaulted on a daily basis. They wouldn't have their brains soaked in liberal Kool-Aid and be bombarded by propaganda and serve as the target of various agendas by numerous political groups.

I'm certain there are more than enough caring liberals willing to pool their funds and provide an education for those who can't afford it, right?

Ok, so we deny poor kids any education they can't pay for and then how soon will poor kids be better educated?
 
Rural electrification has nothing to do with the TVA.
The first thing my 1960 World Book says about socialism is that it is always democratic. Thus, NOT communism or overly gov't controlled. Socialism has never led to communism, either. Communism has ALWAYS been put in by violent revolution. And is just about dead, and ungrieved for.
 
Are you trying to claim that public education and Medicaid, etc., are not socialist programs, or are you conceding that Capitalism is better with elements of Socialism included?
I'm not trying anything. I'm saying that isn't socialism. Using the term "elements of socialism" means that you don't think so either. Private health care is better than government health care, I've experienced it first hand. And private ed is kicking public ed's ass so even those "elements of socialism" is a big fail.
^^Hater dupe. Not a single truth. Charter schools are worse than public schools. Change the channel and read something.
 
I like how these people claim to hate socialism, but when you point out the socialism they can't argue with, they just claim that's not socialism.

Life must be easy when you can make up definitions for anything any way you want.
 
Under socialism, the state forces people to provide goods and services to others w/o compensation.
How can anyone look upon that favorably?

Interesting. Can you look favorably on not providing education and healthcare to children whose parents cannot otherwise pay for it?

Why would America be a better place when only those who can pay for the full cost of education and healthcare receive it?

Your belief that those children are getting an education from the current system is laughable. A private system of education would actually educate children and not just warehouse them along along with a bunch of hoodlums where they will be assaulted on a daily basis. They wouldn't have their brains soaked in liberal Kool-Aid and be bombarded by propaganda and serve as the target of various agendas by numerous political groups.

I'm certain there are more than enough caring liberals willing to pool their funds and provide an education for those who can't afford it, right?

Ok, so we deny poor kids any education they can't pay for and then how soon will poor kids be better educated?


So if I don't pull money out of my pocket and buy a kid a bicycle, I am "denying" that kid a bicycle? The phrasing of your statement implies that somehow I am obligated to provide someone else's kids with an education. No one is stopping you from providing them with an education. Feel free to write their parents a check.

BTW, they couldn't possibly be worse educated than they are now.

I can imagine a lot of ways to provide poor kids with an education. That's a long discussion, so I won't waste my time posting them here.
 
Are you trying to claim that public education and Medicaid, etc., are not socialist programs, or are you conceding that Capitalism is better with elements of Socialism included?
I'm not trying anything. I'm saying that isn't socialism. Using the term "elements of socialism" means that you don't think so either. Private health care is better than government health care, I've experienced it first hand. And private ed is kicking public ed's ass so even those "elements of socialism" is a big fail.

I disagree. It is socialism.
 
In reality, successful economies rely upon various approaches. As one example, the United States would not have developed as it has were it not for the "socialist" policies of land redistribution by the government (Homestead Act, railroads), the Rural Electrification Act (the rural red Midwestern states could never afford it on their own), and the many, many public works departments across the land that provide utility access.

Funny that those who say it will lead to our downfall don't have a problem driving to the store on government maintained highways.

There's strength in numbers.

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Can anyone give an accepted scholarly definition of socialism?

Socialism which allows man to thrive with no effort from his own hand is a lot different than a socialism providing common infrastructure and protection of private property rights.

It is the former that is the issue.
 
In reality, successful economies rely upon various approaches. As one example, the United States would not have developed as it has were it not for the "socialist" policies of land redistribution by the government (Homestead Act, railroads), the Rural Electrification Act (the rural red Midwestern states could never afford it on their own), and the many, many public works departments across the land that provide utility access.

Funny that those who say it will lead to our downfall don't have a problem driving to the store on government maintained highways.

There's strength in numbers.

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How else would you suggest we get to the store?
 
Can anyone give an accepted scholarly definition of socialism?

Socialism which allows man to thrive with no effort from his own hand is a lot different than a socialism providing common infrastructure and protection of private property rights.

It is the former that is the issue.

Actually, there's no difference. Socialism is socialism. It's all bad.
 

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