Don't Let The Establishment Win

[kaz]

The establishment didn't pick Cruz until they came down to the choice of Trump, Cruz and Hillary. Don't rewrite history.

Cruz is the only candidate for free markets, that makes him the only candidate for what made America great

Bullshit. Cruz is establishment, always been establishment, he just plays like he's an outsider.

Yes, establishment candidates are usually hated by the establishment, gotcha

Explain why the establishment is funding him right now. Backing up his bullshit rhetoric. Explain the fact that his wife is part of the establishment. Works for Goldman Sachs. Try reading her bio.

I already did, you missed that? They reluctantly started supporting him when the choices were reduced to Trump, Hillary and Cruz. How did you miss that?

And I don't support people or oppose people because of who else does or doesn't support them. Shame on you for worrying about that

Cruz is part of the establishment. Has worked with John Boehner and George W. Bush. He helped recruit Judge John Roberts who sold us out when Obamacare's constitutionality came up for review at the Supreme Court.

1. Cruz also served as private counsel for Congressman John Boehner during Boehner's lawsuit against Congressman Jim McDermott for releasing a tape recording of a Boehner telephone conversation
2. Cruz joined the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 1999 as a domestic policy adviser, advising then-Governor George W. Bush on a wide range of policy and legal matters, including civil justice, criminal justice, constitutional law, immigration, and government reform.[47]
   
   Cruz assisted in assembling the Bush legal team, devising strategy, and drafting pleadings for filing with the Supreme Court of Florida and U.S. Supreme Court, in the case Bush v. Gore, during the 2000 Florida presidential recounts, leading to two wins for the Bush team.[43][50] Cruz recruited future Chief Justice John Roberts and noted attorney Mike Carvin to the Bush legal team.[48]
   
   After Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department[3][50] and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
3. While at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, Cruz represented Pfizer in a lawsuit brought by a group of public hospitals and community health centers who accused the drug manufacturer of overcharging.
4. Cruz met his wife while working on the George W. Bush presidential campaign of 2000. She is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker.[219] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Cruz plays like he's an outsider, but has worked with or has close ties to the Bush family and to John Boehner, and is an insider thru and thru. Hillary could easily point this out in a general election, expose his work and his wife's work in the Bush Administration.

You and I are very different. I don't give a shit what the establishment thinks. I stopped voting for their candidates in 1992 and went third party. They finally backed Cruz when all their preferred candidates lost, I don't give a shit who they support now. They don't influence my vote either way. I don't spite them either, they don't influence my vote. Seriously, who supports Cruz isn't an argument.

So if they decide to back Trump, you're free to dump him because then he'd be the establishment candidate. But your opinion of who I should support based on the establishment matters no more to me than the establishment does, so you're not in the game of influencing my vote. You want me to change my view, get him to argue he's not a free market capitalist. You know, like Trump does. That influences my vote

 

[Valerie]

oh no, we wouldn't want established individuals in leadership, that would be just awful.

yeah, we should let the new guy lead the USA, cuz everyone knows ignorance is bliss!

Kill every rag head on the planet.

he's just telling it like it is, man. let him lead the way!

 

[kaz]

I already did, you missed that? They reluctantly started supporting him when the choices were reduced to Trump, Hillary and Cruz. How did you miss that?

And I don't support people or oppose people because of who else does or doesn't support them. Shame on you for worrying about that

The only reason they are supporting Cruz is because they want a brokered convention. When Trump doesn't get the nomination in the first round, they aren't going to select Cruz instead. They will select some establishment hack like Bush. You and Cruz are playing right into the hands of the establishment.

Probably true. Though I don't see why that would make me not support Cruz when I'd never support Trump

You're helping the people you claim to despise. That's why.

If you want to make your decisions based on who it helps or hurts, that's fine. I don't roll that way. I'm not on a side. I'm on my own side. I think Cruz is actually better than the other candidates, and he's willing to make waves. Perfect? Certainly not, particularly his military policy. But a Republican who'd actually better than the Democrats hasn't happened for a while

If you truly where on your own side you wouldn't want Hillary in the White House. By voting Cruz you are helping her to get there. Cruz will not be the nominee. All he can do is prevent Trump from being the nominee. If that happens, then Hillary will win. Some handpicked establishment Bush clone isn't going to beat Hillary.

I don't follow. If you're saying Trump is the nominee, why would it matter who I support for the nomination?

As for Hillary, while I despise her, I don't see her as a great threat. She's an institutional politician and she'd be so dogged by scandal and corruption she wouldn't get anything done. I see Trump v. Hillary as a W v Gore choice, Trump could get a whole lot more done. And since he says his priority is restricting free market capitalism, like W, he could actually accomplish a whole lot more damage.

If it's Trump versus Hillary, I'll vote third party. Hopefully Libertarian if they can stop attention whoring and nominating non-libertarians like they did the last two elections

 

[kaz]

oh no, we wouldn't want established individuals in leadership, that would be just awful.

yeah, we should let the new guy lead the USA, cuz everyone knows ignorance is bliss!

Kill every rag head on the planet.

he's just telling it like it is, man. let him lead the way!

If you're curious, the logical fallacy you just committed is called "equivocation"

 

[Valerie]

Pure hyperbole.

Not even worth a lengthy response.

squawk squawk establishment squawk

 

[mudwhistle]

Both Democrat and Republican Establishment representatives are going all out in the media to destroy the only real threat left to Hillary, and it appears that finally, it seems to be making a dent in his support.

Don't let them get away with it.

Some think that Ted Cruz is not with the establishment, but if he isn't, why are they endorsing his candidacy? Why are they throwing all of their negative ad money into Wisconsin in hopes of peeling enough votes away to keep Trump from getting to the magic number he needs to win the nomination.

If you're voting for anyone else, you're voting for the establishment and you're voting for Hillary in the White House.

It's amazing if you look back at it. The campaign started off with Megyn Kelly accusing Trump of being mean to women, and she used an exchange as an example he had with a very deserving asshole, Rosie O'Donnell who was calling beauty pageant contestants Crack Whores on The View. Trump was simply defending them from vicious attacks by a Lesbian talkshow host. This entire campaign has been one exaggeration after another, culminating with trumped up assault charges being brought over a female journalist and his campaign manager. The establishment runs the media and they use the media to tell us who we're supposed to vote for.

This last month alone these establishment scum released nude pictures of Trumps wife in a Ted Cruz ad. George Soros paid for violent protesters to break up Trump events in hopes of making Trump supporters look violent. Michelle Fields was able to find a prosecutor who was a Hillary supporter to bring charges against Corey L., Trump's manager.

Ben Shapiro lied about what happened claiming Trump's manager pulled Michelle Fields was dragged to the ground. When the videos showed he was lying, he called Trump a lying liar and that he was a steaming pile of garbage.

Ted Cruz, who bought the rights to the nude photos showboated in front of cameras calling Trump every name in the book, at one point calling him a sniveling coward.

Cruz was accused of sleeping with at least 5 women, to which he denied, but then continued to tell everyone that Trump was afraid to debate him. Total fabrication. Ted says he wants to carpet bomb ISIS and spy on Muslim neighborhoods.....yet everyone is questioning if Trump has the proper acuity that is required to hold the Oval Office, not Ted Cruz. I'm barely mentioning all of the violence that the left brought to Trump events. Notice how that has slowed down if not completely stopped. Not enough money to pay the professional agitators I guess.

Instead of using the debate format, CNN is drawing in viewers by holding Town Halls, which is Trump's forte. You listen to them try to trip Trump up and he seems to be a calm thoughtful guy, but listening to Cruz and Kasich, they sound angry. Kasich couldn't sit still while he was walking around stage telling everyone what a great governor he is. Ted Cruz couldn't resist bad-mouthing Trump. He claims Trump messed with his wife. Shit, Trump didn't paste his wife's nude pictures all over the Web. Yesterday Cruz said he wanted to run Trump over with his car. So, do you want some warmonger who wants to commit vehicular homicide in the White House? Who is really the nasty foul-mouthed asshole here if it's not Cruz?

So what we have is an establishment out in force to take away your right to a fair election. They hope they can tarnish Trump enough that you won't mind if they steal the nomination away from him in the convention. I for one will abandon the Republican party if they get away with it. I won't vote. And this, rest assured will bring about what Democrats have been wanting for the last 20 years, the total destruction of the GOP and thus not even the facade of an opposition party. Then say goodbye to your freedom of speech, your guns, your right to practice your religion without being attacked.

hate, hate, hate, hate

Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime to seek the nomination.

But his supporters are so warped with hatred towards the establishment, they will back Trump, no matter how embarrassing or stupid he is.

Hillary will be elected because of Trump.

The only question now is if Trump has damaged the Republican brand so much that they lose the House.

And his clueless supporters will bitch and complain about Hillary and liberals for the next 8 years.

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Actually, most of the horrid things about Trump is a focused negative campaign by the media and the Republican Party. They have only themselves to blame. If the Republican Party wasn't so dishonest they wouldn't look like the pack of conniving liars they're turning out to be.

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

I think this race has been an eye-opener. A revelation.

Trump knows where all of the bodies are buried.....and he's a threat to the guilty parties. So they want to destroy him.

Do you want to help them do it?

If you want to get rid of all of the corruption in Washington you won't do it by going along with whatever they tell you.

 

[Valerie]

If you're curious, the logical fallacy you just committed is called "equivocation"

aye matey!

squawk squawk rag heads blow them up blow them up!

Kill every rag head on the planet.

 

[mudwhistle]

Bullshit. Cruz is establishment, always been establishment, he just plays like he's an outsider.

Yes, establishment candidates are usually hated by the establishment, gotcha

Explain why the establishment is funding him right now. Backing up his bullshit rhetoric. Explain the fact that his wife is part of the establishment. Works for Goldman Sachs. Try reading her bio.

I already did, you missed that? They reluctantly started supporting him when the choices were reduced to Trump, Hillary and Cruz. How did you miss that?

And I don't support people or oppose people because of who else does or doesn't support them. Shame on you for worrying about that

Cruz is part of the establishment. Has worked with John Boehner and George W. Bush. He helped recruit Judge John Roberts who sold us out when Obamacare's constitutionality came up for review at the Supreme Court.

1. Cruz also served as private counsel for Congressman John Boehner during Boehner's lawsuit against Congressman Jim McDermott for releasing a tape recording of a Boehner telephone conversation
2. Cruz joined the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 1999 as a domestic policy adviser, advising then-Governor George W. Bush on a wide range of policy and legal matters, including civil justice, criminal justice, constitutional law, immigration, and government reform.[47]
   
   Cruz assisted in assembling the Bush legal team, devising strategy, and drafting pleadings for filing with the Supreme Court of Florida and U.S. Supreme Court, in the case Bush v. Gore, during the 2000 Florida presidential recounts, leading to two wins for the Bush team.[43][50] Cruz recruited future Chief Justice John Roberts and noted attorney Mike Carvin to the Bush legal team.[48]
   
   After Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department[3][50] and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
3. While at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, Cruz represented Pfizer in a lawsuit brought by a group of public hospitals and community health centers who accused the drug manufacturer of overcharging.
4. Cruz met his wife while working on the George W. Bush presidential campaign of 2000. She is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker.[219] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Cruz plays like he's an outsider, but has worked with or has close ties to the Bush family and to John Boehner, and is an insider thru and thru. Hillary could easily point this out in a general election, expose his work and his wife's work in the Bush Administration.

You and I are very different. I don't give a shit what the establishment thinks. I stopped voting for their candidates in 1992 and went third party. They finally backed Cruz when all their preferred candidates lost, I don't give a shit who they support now. They don't influence my vote either way. I don't spite them either, they don't influence my vote. Seriously, who supports Cruz isn't an argument.

So if they decide to back Trump, you're free to dump him because then he'd be the establishment candidate. But your opinion of who I should support based on the establishment matters no more to me than the establishment does, so you're not in the game of influencing my vote. You want me to change my view, get him to argue he's not a free market capitalist. You know, like Trump does. That influences my vote

I think a person with a closed mind is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Knowledge is power.

 

[Valerie]

I think this race has been an eye-opener. A revelation.

Trump knows where all of the bodies are buried.....and he's a threat to the guilty parties. So they want to destroy him.

Do you want to help them do it?

If you want to get rid of all of the corruption in Washington you won't do it by going along with whatever they tell you.

you need to grow up, simpleton.

Kill every rag head on the planet.

 

[Valerie]

Kill every rag head on the planet.

 

[kaz]

Yes, establishment candidates are usually hated by the establishment, gotcha

Explain why the establishment is funding him right now. Backing up his bullshit rhetoric. Explain the fact that his wife is part of the establishment. Works for Goldman Sachs. Try reading her bio.

I already did, you missed that? They reluctantly started supporting him when the choices were reduced to Trump, Hillary and Cruz. How did you miss that?

And I don't support people or oppose people because of who else does or doesn't support them. Shame on you for worrying about that

Cruz is part of the establishment. Has worked with John Boehner and George W. Bush. He helped recruit Judge John Roberts who sold us out when Obamacare's constitutionality came up for review at the Supreme Court.

1. Cruz also served as private counsel for Congressman John Boehner during Boehner's lawsuit against Congressman Jim McDermott for releasing a tape recording of a Boehner telephone conversation
2. Cruz joined the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 1999 as a domestic policy adviser, advising then-Governor George W. Bush on a wide range of policy and legal matters, including civil justice, criminal justice, constitutional law, immigration, and government reform.[47]
   
   Cruz assisted in assembling the Bush legal team, devising strategy, and drafting pleadings for filing with the Supreme Court of Florida and U.S. Supreme Court, in the case Bush v. Gore, during the 2000 Florida presidential recounts, leading to two wins for the Bush team.[43][50] Cruz recruited future Chief Justice John Roberts and noted attorney Mike Carvin to the Bush legal team.[48]
   
   After Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department[3][50] and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
3. While at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, Cruz represented Pfizer in a lawsuit brought by a group of public hospitals and community health centers who accused the drug manufacturer of overcharging.
4. Cruz met his wife while working on the George W. Bush presidential campaign of 2000. She is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker.[219] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Cruz plays like he's an outsider, but has worked with or has close ties to the Bush family and to John Boehner, and is an insider thru and thru. Hillary could easily point this out in a general election, expose his work and his wife's work in the Bush Administration.

You and I are very different. I don't give a shit what the establishment thinks. I stopped voting for their candidates in 1992 and went third party. They finally backed Cruz when all their preferred candidates lost, I don't give a shit who they support now. They don't influence my vote either way. I don't spite them either, they don't influence my vote. Seriously, who supports Cruz isn't an argument.

So if they decide to back Trump, you're free to dump him because then he'd be the establishment candidate. But your opinion of who I should support based on the establishment matters no more to me than the establishment does, so you're not in the game of influencing my vote. You want me to change my view, get him to argue he's not a free market capitalist. You know, like Trump does. That influences my vote

I think a person with a closed mind is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Knowledge is power.

Riiiiggghhhhhtttt, anyone not persuaded by your overwhelmingly logical rhetoric has a "closed mind." It's not possible someone just disagrees with you. You're the sultan of persuasion, not possible for an open mind to resist you.

Get over yourself

 

[eagle1462010]

Both Democrat and Republican Establishment representatives are going all out in the media to destroy the only real threat left to Hillary, and it appears that finally, it seems to be making a dent in his support.

Don't let them get away with it.

Some think that Ted Cruz is not with the establishment, but if he isn't, why are they endorsing his candidacy? Why are they throwing all of their negative ad money into Wisconsin in hopes of peeling enough votes away to keep Trump from getting to the magic number he needs to win the nomination.

If you're voting for anyone else, you're voting for the establishment and you're voting for Hillary in the White House.

It's amazing if you look back at it. The campaign started off with Megyn Kelly accusing Trump of being mean to women, and she used an exchange as an example he had with a very deserving asshole, Rosie O'Donnell who was calling beauty pageant contestants Crack Whores on The View. Trump was simply defending them from vicious attacks by a Lesbian talkshow host. This entire campaign has been one exaggeration after another, culminating with trumped up assault charges being brought over a female journalist and his campaign manager. The establishment runs the media and they use the media to tell us who we're supposed to vote for.

This last month alone these establishment scum released nude pictures of Trumps wife in a Ted Cruz ad. George Soros paid for violent protesters to break up Trump events in hopes of making Trump supporters look violent. Michelle Fields was able to find a prosecutor who was a Hillary supporter to bring charges against Corey L., Trump's manager.

Ben Shapiro lied about what happened claiming Trump's manager pulled Michelle Fields was dragged to the ground. When the videos showed he was lying, he called Trump a lying liar and that he was a steaming pile of garbage.

Ted Cruz, who bought the rights to the nude photos showboated in front of cameras calling Trump every name in the book, at one point calling him a sniveling coward.

Cruz was accused of sleeping with at least 5 women, to which he denied, but then continued to tell everyone that Trump was afraid to debate him. Total fabrication. Ted says he wants to carpet bomb ISIS and spy on Muslim neighborhoods.....yet everyone is questioning if Trump has the proper acuity that is required to hold the Oval Office, not Ted Cruz. I'm barely mentioning all of the violence that the left brought to Trump events. Notice how that has slowed down if not completely stopped. Not enough money to pay the professional agitators I guess.

Instead of using the debate format, CNN is drawing in viewers by holding Town Halls, which is Trump's forte. You listen to them try to trip Trump up and he seems to be a calm thoughtful guy, but listening to Cruz and Kasich, they sound angry. Kasich couldn't sit still while he was walking around stage telling everyone what a great governor he is. Ted Cruz couldn't resist bad-mouthing Trump. He claims Trump messed with his wife. Shit, Trump didn't paste his wife's nude pictures all over the Web. Yesterday Cruz said he wanted to run Trump over with his car. So, do you want some warmonger who wants to commit vehicular homicide in the White House? Who is really the nasty foul-mouthed asshole here if it's not Cruz?

So what we have is an establishment out in force to take away your right to a fair election. They hope they can tarnish Trump enough that you won't mind if they steal the nomination away from him in the convention. I for one will abandon the Republican party if they get away with it. I won't vote. And this, rest assured will bring about what Democrats have been wanting for the last 20 years, the total destruction of the GOP and thus not even the facade of an opposition party. Then say goodbye to your freedom of speech, your guns, your right to practice your religion without being attacked.

hate, hate, hate, hate

Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime to seek the nomination.

But his supporters are so warped with hatred towards the establishment, they will back Trump, no matter how embarrassing or stupid he is.

Hillary will be elected because of Trump.

The only question now is if Trump has damaged the Republican brand so much that they lose the House.

And his clueless supporters will bitch and complain about Hillary and liberals for the next 8 years.

View attachment 69776

Actually, most of the horrid things about Trump is a focused negative campaign by the media and the Republican Party. They have only themselves to blame. If the Republican Party wasn't so dishonest they wouldn't look like the pack of conniving liars they're turning out to be.

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

 

[mudwhistle]

I think this race has been an eye-opener. A revelation.

Trump knows where all of the bodies are buried.....and he's a threat to the guilty parties. So they want to destroy him.

Do you want to help them do it?

If you want to get rid of all of the corruption in Washington you won't do it by going along with whatever they tell you.

you need to grow up, simpleton.

Kill every rag head on the planet.

I'm not the one using a picture of a pirate parrot as an unfunny attempt to repeat a non-sequitur.

 

[Care4all]

hate, hate, hate, hate

Trump is the worst candidate in my lifetime to seek the nomination.

But his supporters are so warped with hatred towards the establishment, they will back Trump, no matter how embarrassing or stupid he is.

Hillary will be elected because of Trump.

The only question now is if Trump has damaged the Republican brand so much that they lose the House.

And his clueless supporters will bitch and complain about Hillary and liberals for the next 8 years.

View attachment 69776

Actually, most of the horrid things about Trump is a focused negative campaign by the media and the Republican Party. They have only themselves to blame. If the Republican Party wasn't so dishonest they wouldn't look like the pack of conniving liars they're turning out to be.

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

'Against the establishment' is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

 

[eagle1462010]

Actually, most of the horrid things about Trump is a focused negative campaign by the media and the Republican Party. They have only themselves to blame. If the Republican Party wasn't so dishonest they wouldn't look like the pack of conniving liars they're turning out to be.

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

against the establishment is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

After my response that is all you got..............LOL

They BLOCKED Obama's Radical Agenda for the most part.............we are just pissed they didn't do more...........Obstructionism and the party of NO to his agenda......

Damned skippy...........that's what they were hired to do...........

 

[mudwhistle]

Explain why the establishment is funding him right now. Backing up his bullshit rhetoric. Explain the fact that his wife is part of the establishment. Works for Goldman Sachs. Try reading her bio.

I already did, you missed that? They reluctantly started supporting him when the choices were reduced to Trump, Hillary and Cruz. How did you miss that?

And I don't support people or oppose people because of who else does or doesn't support them. Shame on you for worrying about that

Cruz is part of the establishment. Has worked with John Boehner and George W. Bush. He helped recruit Judge John Roberts who sold us out when Obamacare's constitutionality came up for review at the Supreme Court.

1. Cruz also served as private counsel for Congressman John Boehner during Boehner's lawsuit against Congressman Jim McDermott for releasing a tape recording of a Boehner telephone conversation
2. Cruz joined the George W. Bush presidential campaign in 1999 as a domestic policy adviser, advising then-Governor George W. Bush on a wide range of policy and legal matters, including civil justice, criminal justice, constitutional law, immigration, and government reform.[47]
   
   Cruz assisted in assembling the Bush legal team, devising strategy, and drafting pleadings for filing with the Supreme Court of Florida and U.S. Supreme Court, in the case Bush v. Gore, during the 2000 Florida presidential recounts, leading to two wins for the Bush team.[43][50] Cruz recruited future Chief Justice John Roberts and noted attorney Mike Carvin to the Bush legal team.[48]
   
   After Bush took office, Cruz served as an associate deputy attorney general in the U.S. Justice Department[3][50] and as the director of policy planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
3. While at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, Cruz represented Pfizer in a lawsuit brought by a group of public hospitals and community health centers who accused the drug manufacturer of overcharging.
4. Cruz met his wife while working on the George W. Bush presidential campaign of 2000. She is currently taking leave from her position as head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. and previously worked in the White House for Condoleezza Rice and in New York as an investment banker.[219] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

Cruz plays like he's an outsider, but has worked with or has close ties to the Bush family and to John Boehner, and is an insider thru and thru. Hillary could easily point this out in a general election, expose his work and his wife's work in the Bush Administration.

You and I are very different. I don't give a shit what the establishment thinks. I stopped voting for their candidates in 1992 and went third party. They finally backed Cruz when all their preferred candidates lost, I don't give a shit who they support now. They don't influence my vote either way. I don't spite them either, they don't influence my vote. Seriously, who supports Cruz isn't an argument.

So if they decide to back Trump, you're free to dump him because then he'd be the establishment candidate. But your opinion of who I should support based on the establishment matters no more to me than the establishment does, so you're not in the game of influencing my vote. You want me to change my view, get him to argue he's not a free market capitalist. You know, like Trump does. That influences my vote

I think a person with a closed mind is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
Knowledge is power.

Riiiiggghhhhhtttt, anyone not persuaded by your overwhelmingly logical rhetoric has a "closed mind." It's not possible someone just disagrees with you. You're the sultan of persuasion, not possible for an open mind to resist you.

Get over yourself

And you resort to insults because you refuse to look into any of the evidence I provided for you.

The goal of any effective campaign is to establish prejudice early on so in the run up to the election any information that is disseminated later in the campaign falls on deaf ears.
I used to be a Cruz fan......but then he stabbed Ben Carson in the back.....and with each new revelation of his character, I discover that he's really a fake. Trump could easily be a fake as well, but then again, he's not taking money from the establishment now is he?

 

[mudwhistle]

Actually, most of the horrid things about Trump is a focused negative campaign by the media and the Republican Party. They have only themselves to blame. If the Republican Party wasn't so dishonest they wouldn't look like the pack of conniving liars they're turning out to be.

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

'Against the establishment' is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

No.....Hope & Change is a catch phrase.

The Establishment is a reality.

 

[Care4all]

I suppose I truly don't understand this hatred for the "establishment" thingy....

I mean you and most all others from the right wing do have this supposed hatred thing going towards the supposed establishment in your words, but every single congress critter and Senator in office that is running for reelection this cycle is running UNOPPOSED in their primary?

You didn't have a republican president the past 8 years, but did have your "Do Nothing" Congress, so I suppose they are the establishment, yet you will pull that lever in November, even Trump supporters who are supposedly so against ''the establishment'' will pull that lever for the R's on the Ticket, the same R's that ARE the establishment, that you all supposedly hate????

What's up with that....? This is confusing....

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

'Against the establishment' is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

No.....Hope & Change is a catch phrase.

The Establishment is a reality.

just like 'Make America Great Again' is simply a Hope and Change, catch phrase...

 

[mudwhistle]

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

'Against the establishment' is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

No.....Hope & Change is a catch phrase.

The Establishment is a reality.

just like 'Make America Great Again' is simply a Hope and Change, catch phrase...

Yes......glad you see the difference.

 

[eagle1462010]

Of course it's confusing. There is no right or wrong with these people.
The Establishment is a conspiracy to bilk the public out of trillions of dollars. It's both Democrats and Republicans. They're playing us for fools. Eventually they will do what Greece did and just take the National Debt and erase it......taking trillions of our money that we paid into Social Security and say it doesn't exist anymore. When that happens, the money in your bank accounts won't be yours anymore. Then they'll install a Socialist government and tell you that you only can take out what they say you are allowed to take out. Your paychecks will go straight into a bank like it does in Europe, and they will just tell you what's left over after they take out what they want. You will be assimilated into the collective and you will be happy.....and controlled.

MOST Democrats are not filled with hatred towards our Senators and congress critters that represent us....

We KNOW that the Republicans through procedural moves in congress stopped the democratic's agenda and it was through no fault of their own...

Yes, we wished more could have been done, but with the "do Nothing Republicans" it was hard to accomplish.

Do we hate all of the big money going in these races....yes....but the ONLY reason it is there BIG TIME is because of the right wing Supreme Court and their Citizens United Case....

You ALL on the right supported this decision and BIG MONEY FLOWING in to the hands of your own politicians and this is why you applauded the decision by the SC on Citizens United...

and now all of a sudden you are AGAINST the big money in these PACS and the establishment, is quite a TURN AROUND and adds more to my confusion of what you on the right wing are all about...

I'm not certain, ANY OF YOU even know what you stand for or what you are against? You are putting every single R running for reelection, right back in there for another 6 years of less....?

You lost the House and Senate because of your policies........the people hated it..........and it caused the Blue Dogs to be destroyed......Your own party attacked them because they stalled your precious ACA.............

The people put these people in to block your agenda's and we are pissed that they didn't go further. We could have used the power of the purse to stop funding for the back door Dream Act.....and the ACA or at least some of the provisions of the same..........but they folded like cheap suits...............They promised to do these things and didn't back their promises up............so we'll fire they asses as well............

The Fast Track deals on the deal with Iran......were a joke.........that deal was a joke.............and it will end if your side loses.......

Obama and the Hildabeast were gun running out of Libya..........with the guns ending up in ISIS hands.......hardly a peep from people like you...............

The TEA Party has been targeting RINO's........and have bagged a few.................wish we could have bagged more.......they appease your side of the isle...........with policies we disagree with.

Reid changed the rules to get things passed..........as he created a GRAVEYARD of dead bills sent to him by Congress........

Obstruction........your side has no leg to stand on it with your usual talking points.

You have put up ZERO candidates to run against this establishment that you supposedly hate in their primaries...

sounds like you are all talk and no action, just like your congress was....

'Against the establishment' is clearly and simply, just a 'catch phrase' and nothing more...

No.....Hope & Change is a catch phrase.

The Establishment is a reality.

just like 'Make America Great Again' is simply a Hope and Change, catch phrase...

Worked for you along with anybody but Bush.................

Bush tried to use the name in the primaries............didn't work out well did it.........

Kinda like Clinton.............LOL