For Those Who Don't Understand What Occupy is REALLY About (Obviously LOTS of you)

[Chris]

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

By the civil war it has made manifest.

Not an answer.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

 

[freedombecki]

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

By the civil war it has made manifest.

Not an answer.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

If it was not an answer, that was not a question.

 

[markman2008]

Not for nothing, Independent...but do you not realize that you yourself have done in this string EXACTLY what you're accusing others of doing? You ignored my replies to the issues you brought up while you posted insults to your opposition...all the while repeating your "mantra" that the opposition ignores arguments and posts insults. I don't know you well enough to know whether you're just goofing on people...but if you're NOT...then you're rather amusing.

I think the real issue is more easily explained. The liberals on the forum, who may have more of an idea about what should be done to produce a stable progressive society, have used a typical psychological pathology called transference. They believe, right or wrong, that the OWS are logically following the progressive lock step philosophy. In fact, most of the OWS know only that they, each and every one of them, somehow feel like our system has left them behind. Most don't even know how. And few, if any, have even the slightest idea how to solve the problems society faces. Conservatives and liberals alike believe their economic philosophies would best elevate the have nots to a higher status in a less painful manner.

Each to his own and in the eyes of the beholder will describe the OWS according to his/her own concepts of revolt against economic elitism. Recognize that conservatives as individual are no more sheep following some great conservative in the sky than liberals are sheep following the great liberal in the sky. They are simply people who have different ideas about what is best for society.

Personally I believe the OWS is biting the hands that feed them. Without the rich, to include the obscenely rich, fewer people would have jobs than we have now. Would it be great if there was more equity? Sure it would, but not if it is accomplished by fiat. 1% of the people, the ones who are being protested, pay a significant portion of the taxes that fincance or government, pays the welfare, funds the military and all the other goodies the OWS claims it wants more of.

I think they are squeezing the turnip about as far as that turnip can withstand the pressure. If reforms occur, and if they negatively effect the rich, guess where the rich will go with their money? We are already experiencing outsourcing about which the liberals and OWS are complaining. If you think the bottom 99% is facing austerity now, just watch how it plays out of the OWS and the leftwingnutters who are clamoring to support it get their way.

I am 76, and I won't be around to watch the catastrophe they will cause. It is our capitalist relative free market which made us the richest country in the world, and chipping away at what free market we have left has already started to depress our relative wealth. We can only take so much of this "great reformation."


BTW independent logic, most of the MSM available to the masses all lean left, so when you talk about sheep following lock step with the propaganda, it is much more likely to be the liberal listening instead of thinking.

God, this bullshit never ends.

It was the "free market" that destroyed the world economy.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme.

Unregulated capitalism is the Mafia.

Wall Street Ponzi scheme - love the comparison!

 

[Chris]

I think the real issue is more easily explained. The liberals on the forum, who may have more of an idea about what should be done to produce a stable progressive society, have used a typical psychological pathology called transference. They believe, right or wrong, that the OWS are logically following the progressive lock step philosophy. In fact, most of the OWS know only that they, each and every one of them, somehow feel like our system has left them behind. Most don't even know how. And few, if any, have even the slightest idea how to solve the problems society faces. Conservatives and liberals alike believe their economic philosophies would best elevate the have nots to a higher status in a less painful manner.

Each to his own and in the eyes of the beholder will describe the OWS according to his/her own concepts of revolt against economic elitism. Recognize that conservatives as individual are no more sheep following some great conservative in the sky than liberals are sheep following the great liberal in the sky. They are simply people who have different ideas about what is best for society.

Personally I believe the OWS is biting the hands that feed them. Without the rich, to include the obscenely rich, fewer people would have jobs than we have now. Would it be great if there was more equity? Sure it would, but not if it is accomplished by fiat. 1% of the people, the ones who are being protested, pay a significant portion of the taxes that fincance or government, pays the welfare, funds the military and all the other goodies the OWS claims it wants more of.

I think they are squeezing the turnip about as far as that turnip can withstand the pressure. If reforms occur, and if they negatively effect the rich, guess where the rich will go with their money? We are already experiencing outsourcing about which the liberals and OWS are complaining. If you think the bottom 99% is facing austerity now, just watch how it plays out of the OWS and the leftwingnutters who are clamoring to support it get their way.

I am 76, and I won't be around to watch the catastrophe they will cause. It is our capitalist relative free market which made us the richest country in the world, and chipping away at what free market we have left has already started to depress our relative wealth. We can only take so much of this "great reformation."


BTW independent logic, most of the MSM available to the masses all lean left, so when you talk about sheep following lock step with the propaganda, it is much more likely to be the liberal listening instead of thinking.

God, this bullshit never ends.

It was the "free market" that destroyed the world economy.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme.

Unregulated capitalism is the Mafia.

Wall Street Ponzi scheme - love the comparison!

It was a Ponzi scheme in the classic sense.

And when it ran out, the world financial market collapsed.

 

[Chris]

By the civil war it has made manifest.

Not an answer.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

If it was not an answer, that was not a question.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

 

[freedombecki]

Not an answer.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

If it was not an answer, that was not a question.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

Panic precipitated by the civil war that 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure made manifest.

Do you like that answer better since it is most likely the closest to truth you will ever get to?

 

[dnsmith35]

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

6% of how many millions? Did I say it was the only issue? How many mortgage companies went tits up? How much money did the government have to give to save Freddie and Fannie because of defaults? Have you any idea how many homes are in default which have not been foreclosed?

In other words Chris, pull in your claws and look at the big picture. All of the combined issues CAUSED the financial collapse. Chicken and egg Chris, poor government policies encouraging loans without all of the credit safeguards let to the collapse. Read the facts, not the left wing talking points. Stop expecting the quick and easy one point caused the mess. It was a combination of many things but it started with government encouragement and lack of proper oversight. And beware of that liberal talking point site to give you the "information" you think you need. It is propaganda.

You did not answer the question.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the collapse of the world financial market?

It is a bad question and does not approach what you should ask. The right question is, considering 6% of mortgages being foreclosed upon plus how many others were in default, how did that create the problem. The answer is, completely.

 

[dnsmith35]

God, this bullshit never ends.

It was the "free market" that destroyed the world economy.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme.

Unregulated capitalism is the Mafia.

Wall Street Ponzi scheme - love the comparison!

It was a Ponzi scheme in the classic sense.

And when it ran out, the world financial market collapsed.

There you are again, citing that bullshit propaganda site. If you want to learn something, go to a site which discusses the economics of the issue without any political agenda being stressed.

 

[Steelplate]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube

Thats all the socialists say "we're not anti-capitalism."

Guess what? no one believes your stupidity and lies anymore.

The majority of OWS would defend Francis Fox Piven in a nanosecond...

That's ok... more and more people don't believe that you guys are patriots anymore either. More and more people are coming to realize that you are borderline anarchists with a Fascist agenda.

Or... to really act like one of you mouth breathers......

Fuck you Corporatist!!!!

That's the only kinds of posts that people like you, ladycumslinger, the Cajun Creep, and slobber on my Willow Pillows can understand, or even try to.

 

[Chris]

Wall Street Ponzi scheme - love the comparison!

It was a Ponzi scheme in the classic sense.

And when it ran out, the world financial market collapsed.

There you are again, citing that bullshit propaganda site. If you want to learn something, go to a site which discusses the economics of the issue without any political agenda being stressed.

How did 6% of American mortgages being in foreclosure cause the world financial market to collapse?

 

[Lakhota]

Elizabeth Nichols, Occupy Portland Protester Pepper Sprayed In The Face, Identified (PHOTO)

UC Davis Police Pepper-Spray Seated Students In Occupy Dispute (VIDEO) (UPDATES)

Dorli Rainey, 84-Year-Old Occupy Seattle Protester, Pepper Sprayed In The Face (PHOTO)

 

[Chris]

American heroes....

 

[dnsmith35]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube

Thats all the socialists say "we're not anti-capitalism."

Guess what? no one believes your stupidity and lies anymore.

The majority of OWS would defend Francis Fox Piven in a nanosecond...

That's ok... more and more people don't believe that you guys are patriots anymore either. More and more people are coming to realize that you are borderline anarchists with a Fascist agenda.

Or... to really act like one of you mouth breathers......

Fuck you Corporatist!!!!

.

Huge fonts for huge idiots. You can't express your opinions. What opinion you manage to bluster out is noting but sheep dog iteration from a left wing talking point site. If you and your compadres understood economics even a little bit you would know the real problem in our country is the government and crappy economic policies. Instead of screaming your ignorance, why not study what the real causes are? And it is not the corporations from whom most lobs come. Whine some more, maybe they will outsource more jobs. If not to India, to southern right to work states where we will build the country's wealth again without the filthy greedy elitists unionists.

 

[conner700]

Despite what the Rightwing nut jobs think...OSW has much suppport from the American people. When one encampment is shut down ten more go up and thousands send more donations to buy more tents.

OWS is not going away. It has change the entire nation. Millions, if not Billions of dollars were transfered from BOA into local credit unions this month alone. ABA is willing to pay CLCF $850,000 dollars to come up with negative narratives on OWS, because they are scared out of their pants that come 2012 Democrats will control the House, Senate, and WH. When this happens, Bushes tax cuts go by-by along with everything else the right has passed into law in the pass.

Get Ready...for 2012 elections.

 

[Chris]

I joined a credit union just last week.

Should have done it years ago.

 

[Bern80]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube

As a libertarian I'm all for those things. But there's still problems with the OWSers if that really is their goal (which I'm not sure it is). Namely they have to about the worst practical problem solvers....EVER (unfortunately this is a trait found all too commonly among liberals). They are basically blaming the dog (corporate america) for getting fat rather than their master (government) for overfeeding them. If you're gonna protest, which is a rather ineffectual way of getting things done in the first place, at least give yourself a chance by protesting to the people that are in the best position to change things. That would be government. Stop occupying wall street and start occupying government buildings. The politians are the only ones that create the laws to stop this.

You have to understand how confused the general public is by the OWS crowd. Hardly anyone knows what they want and figuring it out is rendered even more confusing because they way they are going about solving this problem makes no logical sense.

I understand how confused the GP is by OWS and acknowledge your point in that regard completely. That's why I posted this. Everything posted is congruent with over 20 OWS site (as the movement is still leaderless, that's the only way to figure out what has overall agreement and no DISagreement.)
So okay, the rag tag group that started it IS pretty out there. I acknowledge that as being valid as well. The whole thing is weird but we're a young movement. That's why a lot of us are trying to educate the public on what the MSM ISN'T showing them (although CNN ran a clip with a guy who stated a lot fo these things the other day. Finally! A little balanced coverage).

The one thing I would disagree with you on, is who has the power. You claim it's the politicians. We believe it's those who get them elected. Money buys elections in this country. it's that simple.

Oh we don't even disagree on that. I totally agree corporate financial influence has a huge impact on policy in this country. What I mean is corporate america can't change the law. Again their like a dog. If you put food (money/influence) in front of it, it's gonna eat. It's the master's (government) responsibility to discipline and keep the dog healthy. The politicians are the only one that can change the law preventing that level of financial influence and that's why I believe the OWSers needs to be on the steps of capital buildings across the country rather than complaining to people that are really just acting in their own financial best interest.

 

[Oldstyle]

Despite what the Rightwing nut jobs think...OSW has much suppport from the American people. When one encampment is shut down ten more go up and thousands send more donations to buy more tents.

OWS is not going away. It has change the entire nation. Millions, if not Billions of dollars were transfered from BOA into local credit unions this month alone. ABA is willing to pay CLCF $850,000 dollars to come up with negative narratives on OWS, because they are scared out of their pants that come 2012 Democrats will control the House, Senate, and WH. When this happens, Bushes tax cuts go by-by along with everything else the right has passed into law in the pass.

Get Ready...for 2012 elections.

You really think that the OWS movement is the reason that people transferred their money from BOA into other banks? Are you really that naive? That's the free market at work, my liberal friend! BOA tried to raise fees and the consumers balked. So BOA lost all kinds of customers and backed off on the fee raise. The OWS movement had ZERO to do with that just as they had zero to do with airlines losing business when they charged big fees on bags.

As for the Bush tax cuts going anywhere? The reason they weren't done away with two years ago when the Democrats CONTROLLED the House, Senate and the Oval Office is that to do so would slow down an already anemic economy. In case you hadn't notice...the economy STILL sucks. Raising taxes won't help that. If that's what you geniuses want to run on in 2012...then good luck. It will be one more campaign promise that won't be kept.

 

[dnsmith35]

I joined a credit union just last week.
Should have done it years ago.

My account has been in a Credit Union for 22 years. Why did it take you so long to shed the big banks? Logic, not protest. Action not rhetoric. Common sense, not destructive behavior. OWS may be getting a lot of support, but it is falling off and people subjected to the obstruction are tired as hell of them. Vote in common sense politicians, not people who are creating policies keeping companies from hiring workers. Wake up America, the leftwingnuts are ruining our country.

 

[dnsmith35]

Its time for another Ronnie in the White House.

Hallaluja

 

[Lakhota]

Its time for another Ronnie in the White House.

Hallaluja

America can't afford another Ronnie until we repair the previous damage caused by Reagan and Bush.