Have you guys survived the Great Government shutdown of 2018?

[forkup]

Define a good secure border? At a bargain price of call it 50 Billion not including maintenance, you would have a barrier, breachable by the simple expediency of putting up a ladder. It takes an army to completely secure 2000 miles of border that is also not included in the cost. Again what is the point? I've yet to see even a definitive study that illegal immigration in itself is detrimental to the economy. By all means try to secure a border. But a physical barrier is nothing more then a big symbol of ineptitude not to say stupidity.

Displaced low wage earners---which is exactly what we saw in Florida during the 90s and in Chicago and in many places in the South. So, basically what you are advocating for is lowering wages.

Displaced low wage earners were a result of illegal immigrants? You have studies to support that? It had nothing to do with for instance, increased pressure from low wage countries? Increased automation of production? And no I don't advocate lowering wages. I advocate upping the minimum wage. The Trump administration is touting employment figures that come down to full employment. Full employment means that there are jobs that are not getting filled. Jobs that aren't getting filled are detrimental to the economy. Do you know what the interaction of those forces mean on the cost of immigration? Neither do I. The point is, that it's not as straightforward as you might think. A wall sounds like a good idea because it's decisive. Common sense though says that if a person is willing to leave the place they grew up. Walk, in some cases thousands of miles to an uncertain future in a country that especially under Trump makes abundantly clear that they are not welcome. A wall will not deter them either.

You advocate upping the minimum wage just enough for these people not to qualify for state aid. Be honest. It's the same routine that was under Clinton. Furthermore, you aren't interested in push factors because you would be on the front lines of nailing the US interests that have been exploiting the resources in their countries of origin. Be honest. You are absolutely aware that it depresses the wages of native workers and disproportionately effects African Americans. You just don't give a damn. Long live the Chicago School, eh? Neoliberals.

Common sense? Like supply and demand of workers? Look it up yourself, dude.

The Impact of New Americans

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell....om/&httpsredir=1&article=1243&context=cahrswp

or simply decent trade agreements, more effective international aid. Making the countries they come from, more capable of providing a stable country.

I love it when people try to assume how the other person thinks, without even trying to check. Not for nothing, I'm not the one desperately trying to make something as complex as the consequences and solutions to illegal immigration to the size of a single line.

No. The devil is in the details, baby. You will need to get really specific. None of that has any need for the rest of America to send any type of international aid.

You will need to address the neoliberal policies via the IMF and World Bank, privatization etc.

Fine, how specific do you want it?
-I would get rid of all farm subsidies since they are put in place to have, what comes down to overproduction. This results in dumping in third world countries. Then the IMF and world bank uses it's outstanding debts to use as a cudgel to make sure the governments of those countries can't protect their own farmers. I think that's diabolical.
- I would up the minimum wage to what amounts to allowing someone to survive in if not comfort then a certain sense of security.
- I would take certain sectors of the economy out of the for profit realm. Education, Prisons and healthcare to name the most obvious ones.
- I would focus international aid on long term economical project as much as possible, infrastructure is the best example and try to limit direct aid as much as possible.

 

[candycorn]

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

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They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

 

[justoffal]

Since the Democrats are the ones that refuses to fund some of the useless parts of the government then I am a Democrat now. Solidarity Brother! Lets show that mean ole Orange Man that we really don't need such a bloated government. Right on!

The dems know the wall is, as you say, useless when it comes to stopping illegal aliens. The Cheeto is the one holding up the show

Not according to the border patrol asshole.
Or according to the people who live on the border.

Jo

This wall was mined , electrified in places, patrolled by dogs and military style units in the hundreds of thousands, had guard towers and was continuous. Guess what, people still found a way through. What do you think to accomplish here? And more importantly why. Do you know ANYBODY who is ever been fired and replaced by an illegal immigrant?

I'll take it....it's better than what we have now.

Nuff said.

JO

 

[Lesh]

So you creeps got your check last week and you'll get t next week.

If this things lasts a couple weeks...know who won't get their next check?

The military

Merry Christmas huh?

 

[Thinker101]

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad
They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

Ahhh, no. Perhaps you should go back and read your own post.

And yes, American citizens would still be paying those taxes. Only difference is the money would actually be used paying for schools, roads, etc....NOT for illegals....dumbass.

 

[candycorn]

[


There sure as hell is a better way.

The filthy Democrats don't want to do anything. For them there is no "better way', only a "no way".

They want the Illegals to flood in so they will have a future voter base. That is their agenda along with diluting the political influence of middle class working White Americans. Filthy Democrats want this country to be more Black and Brown so they can make America the socialist shithole they desire so much in order to get their free shit.

They didn't want Trump to round up the Illegals or detain them or build a wall or anything. In fact the filthy Democrats provide sanctuary cities for the Illegals. How stupid is that?

The filthy Democrats blatantly flaunt the immigration laws of the US so don't give us this bullshit that they don't want to build a wall because they somehow don't think it is cost effective.

Wasting money is the last thing the filthy Democrats are concerned about. That has never bothered them before on any of their other failed projects.

The Democrats don’t need illegals.

One in four American children is of Hispanic descent as we speak.

All the Dems need is for folks like you to have a megaphone and they have the future sewn up. You’re the best reason to ignore the Republicans…

All you have to offer is hate and fear.

 

[justoffal]

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad
They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

Total bullshit....you have no idea what you are talking about...
The biggest impact that II has on communities is the property tax on land and homeowners because this is where most of the community funding comes from to cover schooling and medical clinics. These communities are federally mandated to provide those things with no funding from the Government....It's actually illegal but would probably fail in federal court because the justices are not going to hurt their own salary.

So...as far as telling the Truth is concerned I would hesitate before I called somebody else weak....so far you are either by omission or by total ignorance....LYING YOUR ASS OFF.

The nation has run out of financial room for these people unless they come here to become a net postie, as it is they always manage to be about a 60k/annum net negative per capita and that's not counting the crime they add.

JO

 

[candycorn]

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

Ahhh, no. Perhaps you should go back and read your own post.

And yes, American citizens would still be paying those taxes. Only difference is the money would actually be used paying for schools, roads, etc....NOT for illegals....dumbass.

Well, your reasoning is faulty to say the least. Happy Kwanzaa

 

[Ambivalent1]

So you creeps got your check last week and you'll get t next week.

If this things lasts a couple weeks...know who won't get their next check?

The military

Merry Christmas huh?

LOL.

"Military Pay Not Likely to Be Affected Under Threat of Partial Government Shutdown"

Military Pay Not Likely to Be Affected Under Threat of Partial Government Shutdown

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

As I pointed out earlier, the average cost per capita for primary education in the US is around 12K. It's primarily or exclusively funded by cities or towns. It may get some funding from the county or state where applicable.

For people with no children in the school system, it's a huge loss. For people with kids in the system, it's a huge win.

So if our school system had 50 illegals in it, the cost to taxpayers would be about $600,000 a year. For those 50 additional kids, you need at least one new teacher with wages and benefits, you need one more classroom, you need one extra school bus and school bus driver.

So no, taxpayers would not be paying "those taxes" anyway. When the school needs more money, they put it up to the vote of the people. When it passes, your property taxes increase.

Where I live 65% of our property taxes go to fund schools me nor any of my tenants have children in. Thousands of dollars to educate children that are not my own every single year. So there is no way you're going to tell anybody that whatever they pay in sales or property taxes will exceed 600K per year. I don't even like paying for the education of American kids that are not mine. I sure as hell don't want to be paying more for non-American kids that are not mine. I've paid too much already.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

If they have kids, they get free shit. They get food stamps and medical care for their kids. The average cost per capita to teach kids is about 12 grand a year. If they have three kids in school, that's 36 K each year.

If they are poor (which is most likely the case) all they really do is purchase food and contribute very little to our economy.

I'm sorry you think education of kids is an undue burden on you. I even mentioned another one, emergency care. We can just let them all die and deny a service which has been deemed essential to children for ..... I don't know call it 120 years. So you don't think being employed contributes? Our any solicitude to children is warranted?

If they weren't here in the first place, we wouldn't have to worry about any of that.

You people want to bring problems here, and then dump those problems in our laps and say "FIX IT!" We say the easiest solution to a problem is not to create a problem in the first place.

I see, OUR laps? You think, I don't take responsibility for it? A just society takes certain responsibilities and moral stances. The most successful societies are those who are capable of providing for it's people the most benefits, these immigrants are a part of that society. The Republican general stance is "a person only has a right to that he himself has earned," Not realizing that cooperation has been the key to human ascendancy. You take the fruits of that cooperation literally every time you do anything. From turning on the TV to drawing a pension. You simply say I don't really want to take responsibility for anybody else.

Correct, I don't want to take responsibility for anybody else. I'm paying too much to take care of Americans here. We are 20 trillion in debt you know.

Yes, dump it in "our laps" because your lap is quite happy doing it. We are not. We don't want these people here and we certainly don't want to take care of them or their children. If their country was so miserable, WTF did they have children in the first place?

Until we find a way to payoff our debt or at they very least, stop increasing it; when we find a way to take care of our poor and homeless; until we find a way to reduce crime, we don't need anymore problems crossing our border to come here.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What about the $138 billion?
And no the beaners are not paying federal taxes.
Hell,half the country pays nothing in taxes.

What about the 138 billion? A lot of Americans travel abroad spending money there. Does that mean they don't contribute to the economy in the US. Give me a NET assessment taking both cost and contribution of illegal immigration to the economy as a whole. Not, Oh look they send money out of country, that means they are taking the wealth out of the country. It's a dishonest argument because it fixates on a single cost without even trying to consider the complete picture.

You're really going to try and equate people going on vacation to remittance monies?

I'm equating money that has been earned in the US and send abroad. To money being earned in the US and being spend abroad. Money is different if spend by a US citizen?

You're some kinda dumbass!!!
How in the hell can you equate someone leaving the country for a week or two to someone who spends decades doing it?

And the words you were looking for are "sent" and "spent".
Is english your second language Pablo?

Tourists from these countries spend the most when traveling abroad
In 2016 Americans spent 116 Billion abroad. Is that money any less gone? That's how I equate it. You are trying to make that the ONLY factor when deciding what the NET effect of something is. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that line of reasoning is. Oh and it's actually my third one. First one is Dutch, second French,then English, I also speak decent if not fluent German. You?

And then they came back home and contributed to their communities far more than a third world moron who doesnt make enough to pay federal income tax.
Poor third worlders aren't in the jet set crowd Pablo......

 

[BlackFlag]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

 

[candycorn]

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

Total bullshit....you have no idea what you are talking about...
The biggest impact that II has on communities is the property tax on land and homeowners because this is where most of the community funding comes from to cover schooling and medical clinics. These communities are federally mandated to provide those things with no funding from the Government....It's actually illegal but would probably fail in federal court because the justices are not going to hurt their own salary.

So...as far as telling the Truth is concerned I would hesitate before I called somebody else weak....so far you are either by omission or by total ignorance....LYING YOUR ASS OFF.

The nation has run out of financial room for these people unless they come here to become a net postie, as it is they always manage to be about a 60k/annum net negative per capita and that's not counting the crime they add.

JO

One would have to surmise that areas that have no illegal aliens or fewer illegal aliens would be the wealthiest areas of the nation if there was truth to your argument. Instead the opposite is the case.

Oh well, facts are firmly on my side; as per usual.

 

[Thinker101]

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC.

As I stated and as you have proven, intellectual dishonesty (or in your case, just dishonesty) is the trademark of conservatives. I was saying the size of the illegal alien population is relative to the size of greater NYC. The sales tax receipts collected by the states where illegals reside is a massive intake of cash for those states.

But feel free to keep with the dishonesty. It’s all you have.

And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

The American citizens would be paying those taxes anyway with no illegals. So it’s much better to have the increased sales tax receipts than to not have them. It’s mathematics. Probably not your strong suit.

Total bullshit....you have no idea what you are talking about...
The biggest impact that II has on communities is the property tax on land and homeowners because this is where most of the community funding comes from to cover schooling and medical clinics. These communities are federally mandated to provide those things with no funding from the Government....It's actually illegal but would probably fail in federal court because the justices are not going to hurt their own salary.

So...as far as telling the Truth is concerned I would hesitate before I called somebody else weak....so far you are either by omission or by total ignorance....LYING YOUR ASS OFF.

The nation has run out of financial room for these people unless they come here to become a net postie, as it is they always manage to be about a 60k/annum net negative per capita and that's not counting the crime they add.

JO

One would have to surmise that areas that have no illegal aliens or fewer illegal aliens would be the wealthiest areas of the nation if there was truth to your argument. Instead the opposite is the case.

Oh well, facts are firmly on my side; as per usual.

And how many illegal aliens are living in Beverly Hills, how many are neighbors with Nancy Pelosi?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

Gee.......... do you suppose our agents will ever figure that out???

 

[BlackFlag]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

Gee.......... do you suppose our agents will ever figure that out???

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Those incompetent fucks are terrible at their jobs, so no.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

Gee.......... do you suppose our agents will ever figure that out???

View attachment 236215

Those incompetent fucks are terrible at their jobs, so no.

Good thing they have you then........huh?

 

[BlackFlag]

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

Gee.......... do you suppose our agents will ever figure that out???

View attachment 236215

Those incompetent fucks are terrible at their jobs, so no.

Good thing they have you then........huh?

And there it is, Ray’s brain fizzles out.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Hey Jose, can I borrow your ladder for a minute? Wall foiled. But you’re right, until it’s torn down in a few years, it’s not going anywhere.

/——/ Jose’s ladder will get you to the top then what? Jump and break your neck? Hey I like that option.

^ lol this dumb cracka doesn’t know how ladders work. Then you pull it over and climb down to the other side and the people below put up a second ladder. Try not to think too hard, Einstein

/——-/ you’re gonna pull a 30 ft ladder which weighs about 75 pounds up by yourself, muscle it over the top, lower it and then climb down. How does Jose get his ladder back for the next Mexican to use?