Have you guys survived the Great Government shutdown of 2018?

[HereWeGoAgain]

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Lol, intellectual dishonesty indeed. Having a job does contribute to the economy. Paying sales, and federal taxes in a lot of cases does contribute. Buying products and services does contribute. Denying it, means you have no interest in having an honest conversation.

What about the $138 billion?
And no the beaners are not paying federal taxes.
Hell,half the country pays nothing in taxes.

What about the 138 billion? A lot of Americans travel abroad spending money there. Does that mean they don't contribute to the economy in the US. Give me a NET assessment taking both cost and contribution of illegal immigration to the economy as a whole. Not, Oh look they send money out of country, that means they are taking the wealth out of the country. It's a dishonest argument because it fixates on a single cost without even trying to consider the complete picture.

You're really going to try and equate people going on vacation to remittance monies?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

Find out how much money American immigrants send abroad | finder.com

They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

If they have kids, they get free shit. They get food stamps and medical care for their kids. The average cost per capita to teach kids is about 12 grand a year. If they have three kids in school, that's 36 K each year.

If they are poor (which is most likely the case) all they really do is purchase food and contribute very little to our economy.

I'm sorry you think education of kids is an undue burden on you. I even mentioned another one, emergency care. We can just let them all die and deny a service which has been deemed essential to children for ..... I don't know call it 120 years. So you don't think being employed contributes? Our any solicitude to children is warranted?

If they weren't here in the first place it wouldnt cost us shit you big dummy!

 

[forkup]

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad
They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

If they have kids, they get free shit. They get food stamps and medical care for their kids. The average cost per capita to teach kids is about 12 grand a year. If they have three kids in school, that's 36 K each year.

If they are poor (which is most likely the case) all they really do is purchase food and contribute very little to our economy.

I'm sorry you think education of kids is an undue burden on you. I even mentioned another one, emergency care. We can just let them all die and deny a service which has been deemed essential to children for ..... I don't know call it 120 years. So you don't think being employed contributes? Our any solicitude to children is warranted?

If they weren't here in the first place, we wouldn't have to worry about any of that.

You people want to bring problems here, and then dump those problems in our laps and say "FIX IT!" We say the easiest solution to a problem is not to create a problem in the first place.

I see, OUR laps? You think, I don't take responsibility for it? A just society takes certain responsibilities and moral stances. The most successful societies are those who are capable of providing for it's people the most benefits, these immigrants are a part of that society. The Republican general stance is "a person only has a right to that he himself has earned," Not realizing that cooperation has been the key to human ascendancy. You take the fruits of that cooperation literally every time you do anything. From turning on the TV to drawing a pension. You simply say I don't really want to take responsibility for anybody else.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

If they have kids, they get free shit. They get food stamps and medical care for their kids. The average cost per capita to teach kids is about 12 grand a year. If they have three kids in school, that's 36 K each year.

If they are poor (which is most likely the case) all they really do is purchase food and contribute very little to our economy.

I'm sorry you think education of kids is an undue burden on you. I even mentioned another one, emergency care. We can just let them all die and deny a service which has been deemed essential to children for ..... I don't know call it 120 years. So you don't think being employed contributes? Our any solicitude to children is warranted?

Fuck you.... The care is not free asshole...
Dedicate your own life to the cause...
Not someone else's.

There is a better way to do this.

Jo

No it's not free. Yet I don't particularly think that money is more important then showing basic human decency. You do, I don't mind. Luckily most people tend to agree with my point of view.

If they weren't here in the first place ......

 

[forkup]

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Lol, intellectual dishonesty indeed. Having a job does contribute to the economy. Paying sales, and federal taxes in a lot of cases does contribute. Buying products and services does contribute. Denying it, means you have no interest in having an honest conversation.

What about the $138 billion?
And no the beaners are not paying federal taxes.
Hell,half the country pays nothing in taxes.

What about the 138 billion? A lot of Americans travel abroad spending money there. Does that mean they don't contribute to the economy in the US. Give me a NET assessment taking both cost and contribution of illegal immigration to the economy as a whole. Not, Oh look they send money out of country, that means they are taking the wealth out of the country. It's a dishonest argument because it fixates on a single cost without even trying to consider the complete picture.

You're really going to try and equate people going on vacation to remittance monies?

I'm equating money that has been earned in the US and send abroad. To money being earned in the US and being spend abroad. Money is different if spend by a US citizen?

 

[Thinker101]

You must have different youth then were I live. The reason most kids nowadays aren't mowing lawns anymore is that it's almost impossible to take them away from their playstation, phone or tablet. Plus most parents let them. Those jobs are still there, kids aren't interested anymore that simple.

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

You must have different youth then were I live. The reason most kids nowadays aren't mowing lawns anymore is that it's almost impossible to take them away from their playstation, phone or tablet. Plus most parents let them. Those jobs are still there, kids aren't interested anymore that simple.

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

Find out how much money American immigrants send abroad | finder.com

They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

To be a conservative, the first thing you learn is intellectual dishonesty. This is a great example of it. If there are 20,000,000 illegal aliens, they are providing sales tax receipts on the order of NYC; much larger than most states. If Politics were not a consideration, any governor in their right mind would gladly take the additional persons paying sales taxes for clothing, tools, tires, etc…

But in Trumpworld where “alternative facts” rule the day, they have to try to make the argument that the money we would spend anyway on schools, hospitals, roads, etc… is because of illegal immigration.

The only larger misnomer is that a wall would take care of the problem.

And to be a liberal, the first thing you learn is intellectual stupidity. 20,000,000 illegal aliens are not living in NYC paying NYC sales taxes.

Never said they were. I did say the population was relative to the greater NYC area though which, of course is true.

Nevertheless, many working American citizens are paying Federal income taxes, State income taxes, property taxes AND sales taxes, much of which is pissed away to support many of the 20,000,000 illegal aliens...dumbass.

Again, dishonesty.


Those American citizens pay for schools, hospitals, roads, etc…. through the taxes you mentioned.
They will pay for the schools, hospitals, roads, etc… whether there are any illegals in their communities or not.
What illegals do add is a lot of sales tax revenue

So the bargain is you can have all of the expenditures without the added sales tax revenue or you can have it with the sales tax revenue.

Simple equation; hate will make you pick the worse trek.

Yup, rather difficult to pay NYC taxes, especially when not living anywhere close to NYC. And yes, those American citizens pay for schools, roads, etc. AND illegals...dumbass.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Lol, intellectual dishonesty indeed. Having a job does contribute to the economy. Paying sales, and federal taxes in a lot of cases does contribute. Buying products and services does contribute. Denying it, means you have no interest in having an honest conversation.

What about the $138 billion?
And no the beaners are not paying federal taxes.
Hell,half the country pays nothing in taxes.

What about the 138 billion? A lot of Americans travel abroad spending money there. Does that mean they don't contribute to the economy in the US. Give me a NET assessment taking both cost and contribution of illegal immigration to the economy as a whole. Not, Oh look they send money out of country, that means they are taking the wealth out of the country. It's a dishonest argument because it fixates on a single cost without even trying to consider the complete picture.

You're really going to try and equate people going on vacation to remittance monies?

I'm equating money that has been earned in the US and send abroad. To money being earned in the US and being spend abroad. Money is different if spend by a US citizen?

You're some kinda dumbass!!!
How in the hell can you equate someone leaving the country for a week or two to someone who spends decades doing it?

And the words you were looking for are "sent" and "spent".
Is english your second language Pablo?

 

[debbiedowner]

And I'm fine.

But 800,000 folks are not getting checks. Christmas is pretty much ruined for them

As for me?

No bonus again this year and the standard 3% raise I have been getting for years

That tax cut sure hasn't helped me any but whatever. I make good money so I'll be fine. Others not so much

No one will really know if the tax cut helped t

Which one?

Oh yeah you might be right, the first shutdown might have been in 2018 as well. I suppose the title should be "The Greatest Government shutdown of 2018!"

I suppose I will survive this one just as long as the VA keeps my notice of disagreement on my VA disability in the stack it's been sitting in for the past couple of years alone. I'd hate to start over because it's been a hassle.

We could all write letters for you testifying that you are a libtard and thus mentally disabled! Would that help?

And I'm fine.

But 800,000 folks are not getting checks. Christmas is pretty much ruined for them

As for me?

No bonus again this year and the standard 3% raise I have been getting for years

That tax cut sure hasn't helped me any but whatever. I make good money so I'll be fine. Others not so much

No one will really know if the tax cut helped t

Which one?

Oh yeah you might be right, the first shutdown might have been in 2018 as well. I suppose the title should be "The Greatest Government shutdown of 2018!"

I suppose I will survive this one just as long as the VA keeps my notice of disagreement on my VA disability in the stack it's been sitting in for the past couple of years alone. I'd hate to start over because it's been a hassle.

We could all write letters for you testifying that you are a libtard and thus mentally disabled! Would that help?

How would any letter help if they are tabling new applications and pending apps during the shutdown?

Such as you claim to be a teacher with very proper grammar and your OCD must be nice to use the word libtard indicating one is mentally retarded. You are a great human and your shit don't stink. I bet you laugh at the disable daily.

Because you ARE a libtard too! The VA is open for business, dumbass! The shutdown has absolutely no effect on their operations. I read a statement from the director of the VA myself, so go back to your closet and play with yourself! Leave the conversation to those with an IQ above room temperature!

BTW, I retired! I finally realized that despite my best efforts, some of you people were doomed to liberalism by your lack of intellect.

I work as a contractor for the US Army now!

Retired I bet you were forced out due to your holier than thou attitude.

Hey dumbass the VA is not open to process claims they are open for all other business. I never said they were shut down so take your government contractor job and shove it up your ass. I don't mind double and triple dippers but most that live around me think their shit don't stink and are the biggest pricks I've ever met. On your death bed and only your death bed you might bring yourself down off that pedestal you think you're on.

 

[busybee01]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

`The point is that they did not get their work done. This has apparently been brought about by the House Freedom Caucus which wants to fight Democrats rather than do the country's business. If this was a business, they would not have a job. We now have Secret Service agents working and not sure when they will get paid. All thanks to Trump and a wall that even Republicans admit will never be built.

 

[debbiedowner]

You must have different youth then were I live. The reason most kids nowadays aren't mowing lawns anymore is that it's almost impossible to take them away from their playstation, phone or tablet. Plus most parents let them. Those jobs are still there, kids aren't interested anymore that simple.

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

You must have different youth then were I live. The reason most kids nowadays aren't mowing lawns anymore is that it's almost impossible to take them away from their playstation, phone or tablet. Plus most parents let them. Those jobs are still there, kids aren't interested anymore that simple.

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

Find out how much money American immigrants send abroad | finder.com

They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Ok, if you say so tell the ones with a TIN that do pay taxes and purchase products every day.

 

[Flash]

[


There sure as hell is a better way.

The filthy Democrats don't want to do anything. For them there is no "better way', only a "no way".

They want the Illegals to flood in so they will have a future voter base. That is their agenda along with diluting the political influence of middle class working White Americans. Filthy Democrats want this country to be more Black and Brown so they can make America the socialist shithole they desire so much in order to get their free shit.

They didn't want Trump to round up the Illegals or detain them or build a wall or anything. In fact the filthy Democrats provide sanctuary cities for the Illegals. How stupid is that?

The filthy Democrats blatantly flaunt the immigration laws of the US so don't give us this bullshit that they don't want to build a wall because they somehow don't think it is cost effective.

Wasting money is the last thing the filthy Democrats are concerned about. That has never bothered them before on any of their other failed projects.

 

[busybee01]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

Policy can be changed. Border enforcement can be changed. Technology can be removed. But a wall isn't going anywhere. That's what scares the hell out of the anti-white party.

Coming from the white supremacist and neo-Nazi party.

 

[Thinker101]

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

Find out how much money American immigrants send abroad | finder.com

They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Ok, if you say so tell the ones with a TIN that do pay taxes and purchase products every day.

Hmmm...not sure if you realize this, but many Americans pay a hell of a lot more than sales taxes.

 

[Disir]

Not according to the border patrol asshole.
Or according to the people who live on the border.

Jo

This wall was mined , electrified in places, patrolled by dogs and military style units in the hundreds of thousands, had guard towers and was continuous. Guess what, people still found a way through. What do you think to accomplish here? And more importantly why. Do you know ANYBODY who is ever been fired and replaced by an illegal immigrant?

A good secure wall will not stop 100% of the shitheads from coming here and signing up for welfare and voting Democrats but it will stop a lot of them and make it more difficult and that is a good thing. It will also make it easier for the Border Patrol to do its job than the almost nothing that we have now. That is also a good thing.

Only an asshole or a filthy Democrat looking to get Illegals to provide a welfare queen voting base to would be against securing our border.

Define a good secure border? At a bargain price of call it 50 Billion not including maintenance, you would have a barrier, breachable by the simple expediency of putting up a ladder. It takes an army to completely secure 2000 miles of border that is also not included in the cost. Again what is the point? I've yet to see even a definitive study that illegal immigration in itself is detrimental to the economy. By all means try to secure a border. But a physical barrier is nothing more then a big symbol of ineptitude not to say stupidity.

Displaced low wage earners---which is exactly what we saw in Florida during the 90s and in Chicago and in many places in the South. So, basically what you are advocating for is lowering wages.

Displaced low wage earners were a result of illegal immigrants? You have studies to support that? It had nothing to do with for instance, increased pressure from low wage countries? Increased automation of production? And no I don't advocate lowering wages. I advocate upping the minimum wage. The Trump administration is touting employment figures that come down to full employment. Full employment means that there are jobs that are not getting filled. Jobs that aren't getting filled are detrimental to the economy. Do you know what the interaction of those forces mean on the cost of immigration? Neither do I. The point is, that it's not as straightforward as you might think. A wall sounds like a good idea because it's decisive. Common sense though says that if a person is willing to leave the place they grew up. Walk, in some cases thousands of miles to an uncertain future in a country that especially under Trump makes abundantly clear that they are not welcome. A wall will not deter them either.

You advocate upping the minimum wage just enough for these people not to qualify for state aid. Be honest. It's the same routine that was under Clinton. Furthermore, you aren't interested in push factors because you would be on the front lines of nailing the US interests that have been exploiting the resources in their countries of origin. Be honest. You are absolutely aware that it depresses the wages of native workers and disproportionately effects African Americans. You just don't give a damn. Long live the Chicago School, eh? Neoliberals.

Common sense? Like supply and demand of workers? Look it up yourself, dude.

The Impact of New Americans

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell....om/&httpsredir=1&article=1243&context=cahrswp

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The beaners came way before that.

That defeats your arguments it was the beaners that mad

Oh....and what about the $26 billion that gets sent back to mehico alone? The total for all countries is $138 billion.
Money that should be spent in the local economy and feed our tax coffers.
Yeah....thats real good for America.
Liberals are fuken dunces.

Find out how much money American immigrants send abroad | finder.com

They do consume in the local economy to don't they? They have to eat, have to get a place to live, etc, etc. Almost half of them have fake social security numbers and they pay taxes. They all pay sale taxes. And then of course you have the fact that they produce goods and services themselves if they are employed.Fact check: How much does illegal immigration cost? Not nearly as much as Trump claims.
Focusing on 1 aspect of it while disregarding all the others is incorrect.

You cant deny that $138 billion dollars leaves our shores.
Add all the other free shit they recieve and it's even worse.

What free shit? Their illegal. The qualify for education for their kids and EMERGENCY care. If they receive more then that's because they have a fake social security number which means they pay taxes. And yes they send money abroad I never tried to deny it. Do you deny that they also contribute to the economy, both in terms of taxes and production?

No they dont contribute to the economy.
They are a net loss.
We could build four walls in a year's worth of remittance monies.

Ok, if you say so tell the ones with a TIN that do pay taxes and purchase products every day.

Still fails to address $138 billion leaving our shores every year.

 

[Disir]

Just wanted to pop in to do a welfare check. Are you all ok?

I think building a wall is necessary, the number of illegal immigrants was the most startling statistics of many when I heard it first announced in the GOP Primaries. I honestly had no idea how much it impacted the U.S.
It was the first stat, along with the number of factories stolen by China, that really had me listening more closely to Trump during those debate.

He went from a novelty, maybe even suspicions of him being a gimmick; to a guy who was calling out and confronting serious American issues. The Wall addresses this in a permanent manner, this is why I believe some are so adamantly against it.

`The point is that they did not get their work done. This has apparently been brought about by the House Freedom Caucus which wants to fight Democrats rather than do the country's business. If this was a business, they would not have a job. We now have Secret Service agents working and not sure when they will get paid. All thanks to Trump and a wall that even Republicans admit will never be built.

It's never the Democrat's fault. Ever. By golly, they are as pure as the driven snow (line completely stolen from Tipsy).

 

[forkup]

This wall was mined , electrified in places, patrolled by dogs and military style units in the hundreds of thousands, had guard towers and was continuous. Guess what, people still found a way through. What do you think to accomplish here? And more importantly why. Do you know ANYBODY who is ever been fired and replaced by an illegal immigrant?

A good secure wall will not stop 100% of the shitheads from coming here and signing up for welfare and voting Democrats but it will stop a lot of them and make it more difficult and that is a good thing. It will also make it easier for the Border Patrol to do its job than the almost nothing that we have now. That is also a good thing.

Only an asshole or a filthy Democrat looking to get Illegals to provide a welfare queen voting base to would be against securing our border.

Define a good secure border? At a bargain price of call it 50 Billion not including maintenance, you would have a barrier, breachable by the simple expediency of putting up a ladder. It takes an army to completely secure 2000 miles of border that is also not included in the cost. Again what is the point? I've yet to see even a definitive study that illegal immigration in itself is detrimental to the economy. By all means try to secure a border. But a physical barrier is nothing more then a big symbol of ineptitude not to say stupidity.

Displaced low wage earners---which is exactly what we saw in Florida during the 90s and in Chicago and in many places in the South. So, basically what you are advocating for is lowering wages.

Displaced low wage earners were a result of illegal immigrants? You have studies to support that? It had nothing to do with for instance, increased pressure from low wage countries? Increased automation of production? And no I don't advocate lowering wages. I advocate upping the minimum wage. The Trump administration is touting employment figures that come down to full employment. Full employment means that there are jobs that are not getting filled. Jobs that aren't getting filled are detrimental to the economy. Do you know what the interaction of those forces mean on the cost of immigration? Neither do I. The point is, that it's not as straightforward as you might think. A wall sounds like a good idea because it's decisive. Common sense though says that if a person is willing to leave the place they grew up. Walk, in some cases thousands of miles to an uncertain future in a country that especially under Trump makes abundantly clear that they are not welcome. A wall will not deter them either.

You advocate upping the minimum wage just enough for these people not to qualify for state aid. Be honest. It's the same routine that was under Clinton. Furthermore, you aren't interested in push factors because you would be on the front lines of nailing the US interests that have been exploiting the resources in their countries of origin. Be honest. You are absolutely aware that it depresses the wages of native workers and disproportionately effects African Americans. You just don't give a damn. Long live the Chicago School, eh? Neoliberals.

Common sense? Like supply and demand of workers? Look it up yourself, dude.

The Impact of New Americans

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell....om/&httpsredir=1&article=1243&context=cahrswp

or simply decent trade agreements, more effective international aid. Making the countries they come from, more capable of providing a stable country.

I love it when people try to assume how the other person thinks, without even trying to check. Not for nothing, I'm not the one desperately trying to make something as complex as the consequences and solutions to illegal immigration to the size of a single line.

 

[boedicca]

I am definitely feeling far less spied upon and micro-managed by busybody bureaucrats!

 

[forkup]

Lol, intellectual dishonesty indeed. Having a job does contribute to the economy. Paying sales, and federal taxes in a lot of cases does contribute. Buying products and services does contribute. Denying it, means you have no interest in having an honest conversation.

What about the $138 billion?
And no the beaners are not paying federal taxes.
Hell,half the country pays nothing in taxes.

What about the 138 billion? A lot of Americans travel abroad spending money there. Does that mean they don't contribute to the economy in the US. Give me a NET assessment taking both cost and contribution of illegal immigration to the economy as a whole. Not, Oh look they send money out of country, that means they are taking the wealth out of the country. It's a dishonest argument because it fixates on a single cost without even trying to consider the complete picture.

You're really going to try and equate people going on vacation to remittance monies?

I'm equating money that has been earned in the US and send abroad. To money being earned in the US and being spend abroad. Money is different if spend by a US citizen?

You're some kinda dumbass!!!
How in the hell can you equate someone leaving the country for a week or two to someone who spends decades doing it?

And the words you were looking for are "sent" and "spent".
Is english your second language Pablo?

Tourists from these countries spend the most when traveling abroad
In 2016 Americans spent 116 Billion abroad. Is that money any less gone? That's how I equate it. You are trying to make that the ONLY factor when deciding what the NET effect of something is. I'm pointing out how ridiculous that line of reasoning is. Oh and it's actually my third one. First one is Dutch, second French,then English, I also speak decent if not fluent German. You?

 

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A good secure wall will not stop 100% of the shitheads from coming here and signing up for welfare and voting Democrats but it will stop a lot of them and make it more difficult and that is a good thing. It will also make it easier for the Border Patrol to do its job than the almost nothing that we have now. That is also a good thing.

Only an asshole or a filthy Democrat looking to get Illegals to provide a welfare queen voting base to would be against securing our border.

Define a good secure border? At a bargain price of call it 50 Billion not including maintenance, you would have a barrier, breachable by the simple expediency of putting up a ladder. It takes an army to completely secure 2000 miles of border that is also not included in the cost. Again what is the point? I've yet to see even a definitive study that illegal immigration in itself is detrimental to the economy. By all means try to secure a border. But a physical barrier is nothing more then a big symbol of ineptitude not to say stupidity.

Displaced low wage earners---which is exactly what we saw in Florida during the 90s and in Chicago and in many places in the South. So, basically what you are advocating for is lowering wages.

Displaced low wage earners were a result of illegal immigrants? You have studies to support that? It had nothing to do with for instance, increased pressure from low wage countries? Increased automation of production? And no I don't advocate lowering wages. I advocate upping the minimum wage. The Trump administration is touting employment figures that come down to full employment. Full employment means that there are jobs that are not getting filled. Jobs that aren't getting filled are detrimental to the economy. Do you know what the interaction of those forces mean on the cost of immigration? Neither do I. The point is, that it's not as straightforward as you might think. A wall sounds like a good idea because it's decisive. Common sense though says that if a person is willing to leave the place they grew up. Walk, in some cases thousands of miles to an uncertain future in a country that especially under Trump makes abundantly clear that they are not welcome. A wall will not deter them either.

You advocate upping the minimum wage just enough for these people not to qualify for state aid. Be honest. It's the same routine that was under Clinton. Furthermore, you aren't interested in push factors because you would be on the front lines of nailing the US interests that have been exploiting the resources in their countries of origin. Be honest. You are absolutely aware that it depresses the wages of native workers and disproportionately effects African Americans. You just don't give a damn. Long live the Chicago School, eh? Neoliberals.

Common sense? Like supply and demand of workers? Look it up yourself, dude.

The Impact of New Americans

Yes, Immigration Hurts American Workers

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell....om/&httpsredir=1&article=1243&context=cahrswp

or simply decent trade agreements, more effective international aid. Making the countries they come from, more capable of providing a stable country.

I love it when people try to assume how the other person thinks, without even trying to check. Not for nothing, I'm not the one desperately trying to make something as complex as the consequences and solutions to illegal immigration to the size of a single line.

No. The devil is in the details, baby. You will need to get really specific. None of that has any need for the rest of America to send any type of international aid.

You will need to address the neoliberal policies via the IMF and World Bank, privatization etc.