Hey republicans, how exactly are we supposed to fix the stagnant wage problem?

[Conservative65]

Did you know that interest rates under Carter were over 21%.

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs refuse to invest in our country and its workers- see sig for the results. And 3 million good tech jobs going begging...

 

[Billy000]

Get a skill learn a trade that has a value beside flipping burgers

Well gee with the way wages are people can't afford to learn a trade. Even if more people were qualified, such jobs would be highly competitive from the millions of low wage workers.

Ever heard of On the Job Training? Better known as OJT? Get paid while you learn.

Good god dude try to pay attention. Low wage jobs outnumber decent wage jobs. That means millions of people have no choice to accept low wage jobs. On top of that, who exactly are fast food companies supposed to employ given that everyone in your perfect world would become over qualified?

Make yourself more marketable.

You people are so dense. It's such fallacy to believe that just because people are poor in today's world that means they are lazy or dumb. Sure some are, but that doesn't mean most of them are. People are at the mercy of today's economy by and large.

 

[Billy000]

What wage problem?

You mean the 10s of millions of Americans who make less than $15 an hour? The fact that 40% of the nation's wealth is owned by the top 1% of earners?

Yeah.

What's the problem?

If you're just going to go into denial mode like a child I am not going to bother with you.

So, you only want people that agree with you to respond?

I've lost my job twice to economic downturns or cutbacks. What I had done is make myself marketable in other areas by having skills outside of the profession I was in. When one door closed, another opened. See how simple that is? If you have a limited skill set, it's not the fault of the system but the one with limited skill sets.

Your story is anecdotal. What matters are statistics. Your story is not representive of the market place. People with low skills can't afford to go learn more. Because higher wage jobs are much less common, they are highly competitive. That means millions are stuck where they are.

 

[Billy000]

Still waiting for an explanation of what represents a living wage and why (should say where too as that has a lot to impact things). It would be great to know what people should have enough money to buy.

Otherwise, it is still just another crap thread....although it is less crapp than others.

A living wage is based upon the rate of inflation, prices of goods and services, and cost of living. These are tangible ideas.

 

[Billy000]

You people are so blinded by this "pull yourself up by boot straps" philosophy that you are not seeing reality. Yes obviously self sufficiency is great and ideal, but in today's economy it is less and less relevant. 10s of millions of people HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs. That is what our economy is.

And you're so blinded by this notion that we live in some sort of Utopian universe where everyone is happy and satisfied... no one ever has to do without or make sacrifices... someone is always to blame for your problems... someone is always going to take care of you.

I've not heard anyone here say that the solution is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You've been offered suggestions, I told you we should re-invigorate free market capitalism. The problem is, you don't want to hear anything but left-wing socialist memes. You want some commie to tell you that we can have your Utopian dream.

What you and the left are arguing for and promoting, are the exact opposite of what we need to be doing. You continue to push good paying jobs further and further away, and proclaim the good old days are over.

Wealth redistribution does not work! What ALWAYS happens is, the government you put in charge of doing the distributing becomes corrupt and absorbs all the wealth. Then your 1% at the very top who control most of the wealth... they are your government, your rulers. You have no more freedom, you are a slave to the state... Ironically, the wall at the border they can't build now, will be built to keep you in.

I never said anything about redistribution of wealth. I just want more fair wages.

The only way to stimulate this economy all across the board is to stimulate the middle class and to a smaller extent the poor. This economy is a consumption based economy. It depends on demand. It accounts for 70% of it. What we need to stimulate it is extending unemployment benefits for the poor, paid for tax cuts for the middle class, and raising the mini ir wage. It's that simple. The investment class is doing better now more than ever.

 

[Boss]

You people are so blinded by this "pull yourself up by boot straps" philosophy that you are not seeing reality. Yes obviously self sufficiency is great and ideal, but in today's economy it is less and less relevant. 10s of millions of people HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs. That is what our economy is.

And you're so blinded by this notion that we live in some sort of Utopian universe where everyone is happy and satisfied... no one ever has to do without or make sacrifices... someone is always to blame for your problems... someone is always going to take care of you.

I've not heard anyone here say that the solution is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You've been offered suggestions, I told you we should re-invigorate free market capitalism. The problem is, you don't want to hear anything but left-wing socialist memes. You want some commie to tell you that we can have your Utopian dream.

What you and the left are arguing for and promoting, are the exact opposite of what we need to be doing. You continue to push good paying jobs further and further away, and proclaim the good old days are over.

Wealth redistribution does not work! What ALWAYS happens is, the government you put in charge of doing the distributing becomes corrupt and absorbs all the wealth. Then your 1% at the very top who control most of the wealth... they are your government, your rulers. You have no more freedom, you are a slave to the state... Ironically, the wall at the border they can't build now, will be built to keep you in.

I never said anything about redistribution of wealth. I just want more fair wages.

The only way to stimulate this economy all across the board is to stimulate the middle class and to a smaller extent the poor. This economy is a consumption based economy. It depends on demand. It accounts for 70% of it. What we need to stimulate it is extending unemployment benefits for the poor, paid for tax cuts for the middle class, and raising the mini ir wage. It's that simple. The investment class is doing better now more than ever.

Again, you are just plain wrong on so many counts. If you want to improve wages, I told you how. Increase the demand for labor and limit the supply. Increase demand by encouraging and promoting entrepreneurial growth with wealth that is already out there. Trying to shake down rich people for whatever little bit of change they don't protect in order to pay people to be unemployed longer, is not going to help anyone increase their wages. Limit supply by demanding we enforce immigration laws and deport those here illegally. Continuing to take in millions of people here illegally and sign them up for unemployment and food stamps, is not helping anyone's wages.

You continue to support a Utopian vision that will never be realized. You say we need to "stimulate the middle class and poor" meaning that we need to shower them with money so they go out and spend it. I get that... I understand it. And this idea DOES stimulate the economy, for about a fiscal quarter or two, then the money is all spent and we're back to square one. No new jobs are created because the smart capitalist knows the increased spending is temporary. So they just demand their employees pick up the slack and work harder to meet higher production for a while, and they make great profits in doing so.

Increasing the minimum wage has much the same effect. For a few months, it does help the middle class and poor, they do have more money in their paychecks, and they will spend more. But capitalists will cut back jobs, instead of having 12 employees, they cut back to 10... instead of hiring 150 new employees, they only hire 90. You've increased the price for labor but not the demand. At the same time, this policy is creating more supply of labor... in addition to the supply flooding across our border. Free market capitalism is all about supply and demand.

Take the partisan blinders off for a minute and think about this. If you do something to create more new jobs than there are qualified people to fill them, then you will increase the rate of pay for those jobs. It's really that simple. The problem is, how do you create that many new jobs? The answer is, to encourage entrepreneurial endeavor, to incentivize industrial expansion, to make it attractive for wealthy people to bring their money back home and create new jobs with it. All the things that you currently stand against, are the very things we need to be doing.

 

[Billy000]

You people are so blinded by this "pull yourself up by boot straps" philosophy that you are not seeing reality. Yes obviously self sufficiency is great and ideal, but in today's economy it is less and less relevant. 10s of millions of people HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs. That is what our economy is.

And you're so blinded by this notion that we live in some sort of Utopian universe where everyone is happy and satisfied... no one ever has to do without or make sacrifices... someone is always to blame for your problems... someone is always going to take care of you.

I've not heard anyone here say that the solution is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You've been offered suggestions, I told you we should re-invigorate free market capitalism. The problem is, you don't want to hear anything but left-wing socialist memes. You want some commie to tell you that we can have your Utopian dream.

What you and the left are arguing for and promoting, are the exact opposite of what we need to be doing. You continue to push good paying jobs further and further away, and proclaim the good old days are over.

Wealth redistribution does not work! What ALWAYS happens is, the government you put in charge of doing the distributing becomes corrupt and absorbs all the wealth. Then your 1% at the very top who control most of the wealth... they are your government, your rulers. You have no more freedom, you are a slave to the state... Ironically, the wall at the border they can't build now, will be built to keep you in.

I never said anything about redistribution of wealth. I just want more fair wages.

The only way to stimulate this economy all across the board is to stimulate the middle class and to a smaller extent the poor. This economy is a consumption based economy. It depends on demand. It accounts for 70% of it. What we need to stimulate it is extending unemployment benefits for the poor, paid for tax cuts for the middle class, and raising the mini ir wage. It's that simple. The investment class is doing better now more than ever.

Again, you are just plain wrong on so many counts. If you want to improve wages, I told you how. Increase the demand for labor and limit the supply. Increase demand by encouraging and promoting entrepreneurial growth with wealth that is already out there. Trying to shake down rich people for whatever little bit of change they don't protect in order to pay people to be unemployed longer, is not going to help anyone increase their wages. Limit supply by demanding we enforce immigration laws and deport those here illegally. Continuing to take in millions of people here illegally and sign them up for unemployment and food stamps, is not helping anyone's wages.

You continue to support a Utopian vision that will never be realized. You say we need to "stimulate the middle class and poor" meaning that we need to shower them with money so they go out and spend it. I get that... I understand it. And this idea DOES stimulate the economy, for about a fiscal quarter or two, then the money is all spent and we're back to square one. No new jobs are created because the smart capitalist knows the increased spending is temporary. So they just demand their employees pick up the slack and work harder to meet higher production for a while, and they make great profits in doing so.

Increasing the minimum wage has much the same effect. For a few months, it does help the middle class and poor, they do have more money in their paychecks, and they will spend more. But capitalists will cut back jobs, instead of having 12 employees, they cut back to 10... instead of hiring 150 new employees, they only hire 90. You've increased the price for labor but not the demand. At the same time, this policy is creating more supply of labor... in addition to the supply flooding across our border. Free market capitalism is all about supply and demand.

Take the partisan blinders off for a minute and think about this. If you do something to create more new jobs than there are qualified people to fill them, then you will increase the rate of pay for those jobs. It's really that simple. The problem is, how do you create that many new jobs? The answer is, to encourage entrepreneurial endeavor, to incentivize industrial expansion, to make it attractive for wealthy people to bring their money back home and create new jobs with it. All the things that you currently stand against, are the very things we need to be doing.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the investment class is already doing better now than ever? What could be more of a hint than that to stop coddling them? Like I said this is a consumption based economy. Stimulating supply side means dick if you ignore demand side.

Yes, the stimulus in demand would run out by extending unemployment benefits, but it would be open ended with tax cuts for the middle class and raising the min wage. Yes, there would be an initial cost to capital by raising it and a few thousand jobs would be lost, but all of that would be regained by the open ended boost to people's pay checks. Eventually prices would go down and jobs would be created.

 

[Boss]

You people are so dense. It's such fallacy to believe that just because people are poor in today's world that means they are lazy or dumb. Sure some are, but that doesn't mean most of them are. People are at the mercy of today's economy by and large.

I totally agree. It's not that they are lazy or dumb for the most part, it's because they lack motivation. People who are poor and remain poor, simply lack the motivation to become wealthy. You say some are "trapped and at the mercy" of the economy, but that isn't true. There are countless examples, almost endless examples really, of people who escaped abject poverty to become super-wealthy. They were working with the same economy as everyone else.

Oprah Winfrey began life as a dirt poor black girl living in a tarpaper shack in rural Mississippi. It doesn't get more dismal and hopeless than that. She became the wealthiest woman in America and it had nothing to do with how much we increased her welfare check or minimum wage. It wasn't a fluke or luck, it was her own determination and motivation to succeed. Then there is a certain half-black kid who was born in Hawaii to an interracial communist couple... seems he did pretty well for himself too. So this whole notion that people are just hopelessly trapped and at the mercy of the situation, is totally refuted.

It only serves to demonstrate your wrongheaded mentality. The whole entire reason you want to continue policies that don't work, is because you've convinced yourself these people are just too dumb and stupid to make it in the world without your handouts. You've given up on them, you have absolutely no faith in their ability to rise above their current condition... Yet people do it every day.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Get a skill learn a trade that has a value beside flipping burgers

Well gee with the way wages are people can't afford to learn a trade. Even if more people were qualified, such jobs would be highly competitive from the millions of low wage workers.

Ever heard of On the Job Training? Better known as OJT? Get paid while you learn.

Good god dude try to pay attention. Low wage jobs outnumber decent wage jobs. That means millions of people have no choice to accept low wage jobs. On top of that, who exactly are fast food companies supposed to employ given that everyone in your perfect world would become over qualified?

Make yourself more marketable.

You people are so dense. It's such fallacy to believe that just because people are poor in today's world that means they are lazy or dumb. Sure some are, but that doesn't mean most of them are. People are at the mercy of today's economy by and large.

The economy is at the mercy of government regulations and taxes

 

[Boss]

Why do you refuse to acknowledge that the investment class is already doing better now than ever? What could be more of a hint than that to stop coddling them? Like I said this is a consumption based economy. Stimulating supply side means dick if you ignore demand side.

Yes, the stimulus in demand would run out by extending unemployment benefits, but it would be open ended with tax cuts for the middle class and raising the min wage. Yes, there would be an initial cost to capital by raising it and a few thousand jobs would be lost, but all of that would be regained by the open ended boost to people's pay checks. Eventually prices would go down and jobs would be created.

We don't have "classes" in America. That's a concept in many socialist countries but not here. In America, we have one class... Americans. Some Americans invest wealth they have already earned and paid taxes on. That's a GOOD thing, we NEED that to happen. We SHOULD coddle them, keep encouraging them to invest, do things to make them want to invest more. This represents money that can be used to create new jobs. Discouraging investment by taxing it more is not going to increase anyone's paycheck.

I am all in favor of lowering taxes on anyone, including the middle class. But the middle class are the bulk of the tax base and half are already paying very little income tax. Cuts there are going to have to include cuts in our spending. That means we can't extend unemployment benefits or create more entitlement programs.

And again... let's be honest, when most "middle class" families realize a small gain in income, whether through a wage increase or lower taxes, what do they generally do with that money? They find something to spend it on. This doesn't create any new jobs, it simply creates demand for a supply that is already there. Which one of the following is better: A) 100 million working with a $40 week pay increase, or B) 150 million working without an increase? Keeping in mind, the 100 million in example A are going to have to subsidize 50 million who aren't working.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Bush wasn't the only President to see the loss of jobs under their administration, as Obama made decisions that resulted in the handing out of layoff slips.

Wasn't that the result of the Republican beloved sequester? Well that and the fact the Raptor is overpriced and don't work right. Millions of good ole fashioned UNION JOBS in the defense industry. I didn't know Republicans were big supporters of unions. Who knew?

Can't say the same of the millions of jobs involved in the manufacturing of the F-22 Raptors, or the Trident Submarines, or even armored vehicles.

If the unions were behind it, that could very well be the reason behind the Raptors being overpriced and not working right, production and quality aren't necessarily on the unions top agenda from what I see.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

ROFL.... no they didn't. The owners of the companies in the defense industry created the jobs. The tax payers hired some middle men in government jobs to spend our money on products built by our companies that we, the tax payers, and also some foreign investors invested in. Government is a concept, not a person. Who is this person named government that you think is running around creating jobs with money out of thin air? You think government is some god emperor? Government employees work for us, ya fool.

Such an ignorant child

Those Defense industries do not develop on their own. They are a direct result of the GOVERNMENT contracting for goods and services. Without the GOVERNMENT, those defense industries would not exist

It is the GOVERNMENT that creates those jobs

I see so Boeing does not develop on their own. Boeing only sells to government contracts. Only government buys aircraft. Who knew?

Boeing is a great example

How about that 747 they created on their own? The Government needed a heavy transport plane. Bigger than anything ever built. They decided to compete the bid and awarded two contracts for a flyoff....Boeing and Lockheed.
Lockheed built a plane called the C-5 and won the contract
Boeing built a design which lost but they turned into the 747

Tell us again how the Government does not create jobs

Where did the money come from that "government" uses to "create" jobs? You think spending my money is you "creating" something? Are you daft?

Government spending tax payer dollars is tax payers buying products. Boeing is a corporation that created the jobs, the people work for Boeing, they are Boeing employees. Selling products to customers are what pays the bills. The company and it's investors create the jobs. But without paying customers they have to fire their employees.

Where do roads, bridges, sewers, street lamps come from? Who pays the people who protect our forests, our food supplies, inspects planes and trains? Our military?

If it wasn't for inventors like Henry Ford, who successfully built and mass produced the model T, and private investors who supported him, there would be no reason for government to build roads, bridges, and infrastructure.

Without those inventors like Thomas Edison, there would be no demand for an integrated electrical grid system to be built... no need for those union electricians or the IBEW.

It's those who take creative risks with private investors behind their dream to invent and create, like the Wright Brothers at Kitty Hawk, which opened the eyes into further possibilities for the advancements into flight ... who created those jobs. No the government didn't do that, so let's not go into that topic again.

 

[Conservative65]

What wage problem?

You mean the 10s of millions of Americans who make less than $15 an hour? The fact that 40% of the nation's wealth is owned by the top 1% of earners?

Yeah.

What's the problem?

If you're just going to go into denial mode like a child I am not going to bother with you.

So, you only want people that agree with you to respond?

I've lost my job twice to economic downturns or cutbacks. What I had done is make myself marketable in other areas by having skills outside of the profession I was in. When one door closed, another opened. See how simple that is? If you have a limited skill set, it's not the fault of the system but the one with limited skill sets.

Your story is anecdotal. What matters are statistics. Your story is not representive of the market place. People with low skills can't afford to go learn more. Because higher wage jobs are much less common, they are highly competitive. That means millions are stuck where they are.

My story is how those who don't want to make excuses operate. What matters is that someone with low skills isn't stuck, they are where they are based on their own lack of skills. I guess you're saying that THEIR lack of skills is someone else's fault.

 

[Conservative65]

Get a skill learn a trade that has a value beside flipping burgers

Well gee with the way wages are people can't afford to learn a trade. Even if more people were qualified, such jobs would be highly competitive from the millions of low wage workers.

Ever heard of On the Job Training? Better known as OJT? Get paid while you learn.

Good god dude try to pay attention. Low wage jobs outnumber decent wage jobs. That means millions of people have no choice to accept low wage jobs. On top of that, who exactly are fast food companies supposed to employ given that everyone in your perfect world would become over qualified?

Make yourself more marketable.

You people are so dense. It's such fallacy to believe that just because people are poor in today's world that means they are lazy or dumb. Sure some are, but that doesn't mean most of them are. People are at the mercy of today's economy by and large.

I see. You have the ever popular it's always someone or something else's fault. Many people who are poor are there not because they are lazy but because they made dumb decisions in life. Take the high school dropout for example. Quitting school was dumb and now the results are showing up. The problem is people like you want to blame that situation on anything but the decisions he/she made.

 

[Avatar4321]

What wage problem?

You mean the 10s of millions of Americans who make less than $15 an hour? The fact that 40% of the nation's wealth is owned by the top 1% of earners?

Yeah.

What's the problem?

If you're just going to go into denial mode like a child I am not going to bother with you.

So, you only want people that agree with you to respond?

I've lost my job twice to economic downturns or cutbacks. What I had done is make myself marketable in other areas by having skills outside of the profession I was in. When one door closed, another opened. See how simple that is? If you have a limited skill set, it's not the fault of the system but the one with limited skill sets.

Your story is anecdotal. What matters are statistics. Your story is not representive of the market place. People with low skills can't afford to go learn more. Because higher wage jobs are much less common, they are highly competitive. That means millions are stuck where they are.

they can't afford to go to a library?

they can't find a job that offers training?

 

[Avatar4321]

You people are so blinded by this "pull yourself up by boot straps" philosophy that you are not seeing reality. Yes obviously self sufficiency is great and ideal, but in today's economy it is less and less relevant. 10s of millions of people HAVE NO CHOICE but to accept low wage jobs. That is what our economy is.

And you're so blinded by this notion that we live in some sort of Utopian universe where everyone is happy and satisfied... no one ever has to do without or make sacrifices... someone is always to blame for your problems... someone is always going to take care of you.

I've not heard anyone here say that the solution is to pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You've been offered suggestions, I told you we should re-invigorate free market capitalism. The problem is, you don't want to hear anything but left-wing socialist memes. You want some commie to tell you that we can have your Utopian dream.

What you and the left are arguing for and promoting, are the exact opposite of what we need to be doing. You continue to push good paying jobs further and further away, and proclaim the good old days are over.

Wealth redistribution does not work! What ALWAYS happens is, the government you put in charge of doing the distributing becomes corrupt and absorbs all the wealth. Then your 1% at the very top who control most of the wealth... they are your government, your rulers. You have no more freedom, you are a slave to the state... Ironically, the wall at the border they can't build now, will be built to keep you in.

I never said anything about redistribution of wealth. I just want more fair wages.

The only way to stimulate this economy all across the board is to stimulate the middle class and to a smaller extent the poor. This economy is a consumption based economy. It depends on demand. It accounts for 70% of it. What we need to stimulate it is extending unemployment benefits for the poor, paid for tax cuts for the middle class, and raising the mini ir wage. It's that simple. The investment class is doing better now more than ever.

by definition the wage someone is willing to take to do the work is a fair way. Otherwise people wouldn't voluntarily accept the work

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Hey republicans, how exactly are we supposed to fix the stagnant wage problem?

pass Keystone ... 35 new jobs

abolish the IRS .... - 20,000 jobs

prove Clinton lied about Benghazi .... no jobs

impeach Obama ... no jobs

bitch about Obama passing immigration reform ... no jobs

kill Obamacare ... Insurance companies lose 7 Million new insurance policies and the people who have jobs keeping track of claims ..


NOW this country is moving in the right direction ! Wage problem solved !

Yes I'm sure decisions like - pushing to legalize over 5 million illegal immigrants while preventing others from being deported (which undermines our Federal Immigration Laws and offers encouragement to future illegal immigrants) is the Democrats big plan to boost our economy.

Establishing Obamacare has also done so much to create a thriving economy as well. I'm sure that's why the Democrats lost Nancy Pelosi as speaker, and now Harry Reed as Majority Leader, job well done!

 

[Conservative65]

You mean the 10s of millions of Americans who make less than $15 an hour? The fact that 40% of the nation's wealth is owned by the top 1% of earners?

Yeah.

What's the problem?

If you're just going to go into denial mode like a child I am not going to bother with you.

So, you only want people that agree with you to respond?

I've lost my job twice to economic downturns or cutbacks. What I had done is make myself marketable in other areas by having skills outside of the profession I was in. When one door closed, another opened. See how simple that is? If you have a limited skill set, it's not the fault of the system but the one with limited skill sets.

Your story is anecdotal. What matters are statistics. Your story is not representive of the market place. People with low skills can't afford to go learn more. Because higher wage jobs are much less common, they are highly competitive. That means millions are stuck where they are.

they can't afford to go to a library?

they can't find a job that offers training?

To those who want to make excuses why they can't get better, doing those types of things involve effort. I wish they would take half as much time trying to find ways to do better as they do whining about not being able to do anything.

 

[zeke]

If the unions were behind it, that could very well be the reason behind the Raptors being overpriced and not working right, production and quality aren't necessarily on the unions top agenda from what I see.

Damn, your stupidity is showing again.
You think union members designed the Raptor eh? I bet you can't prove that. Wanna bet?
Or seeing as how a great deal of the problems of the Raptor involved the computer programming and the complexity of the systems.

You probably think that the union members wrote the software.

Nah dude the Machinists Union that represents many of the defense workers has some of the best, most motivated workers in the world. That why all the defense contractors use high skilled union workers.

You tying to make them look bad cause you hate unions, makes you a very fucked up individual.