Hitler, Fascism and the right wing

[bripat9643]

Leftists don't love corporations and titled aristocrats, dupe. lol. It's pretty damn simple...

Neither did the Nazis.

Idiot. Ever heard of Messerschmidt, Krupp, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Toldt, Heinkel, etc etc, or Baron von Ribbentropp? OR for that matter Mitsubishi and Hirohito. That's RW totalitarianism or fascism. LW totalitarianism is communism- NO corporations or aristocratic titles. RW per se meaning small gov't and freedom is the New BS GOP propaganda, dupes. Socialism can just as easily be small gov't and freedom. Of course, you brainwashed chumpsw "think" socialism is communism...

For private ownership to have any meaning it requires private control. Under the Nazis, government bureaucrats made all the business decisions. They decided what was produced, how much of it was produced, how much the workers were paid, who got promoted, etc., etc., etc.. Private ownership was a fiction in Nazi Germany. The so-called "owners" were little more than factory managers.

Your post sounds like fiction from the Far Right Wing of American Politics.

I'm sure it does sound that way to ignorant brainwashed dupes.

 

[bripat9643]

Every college or university book store usually has little booklets on political ideologies; I have seven on my shelves. The booklets usually cover the gamut from Fascism on the right to communism on the left. Why this topic is even on these board beats me, except Hitler used the socialist thing in the Nazi title to con the people, and apparently some diehards believe Hitler would not tell a lie. Pretty soon we will be hearing about Hitler cutting down a cherry tree or something.

Yeah, despite the fact that Nazis said they were socialists, they attacked capitalism at every opportunity and they implemented a command economy that was functionally almost identical to the Soviet economy, the clairvoyant liberal toady knows they didn't really mean it.

 

[bripat9643]

There is no controversy about the meaning of right wing, never has been.

Right wing - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Really? So what do you think it means?

 

[bripat9643]

Almost goes without saying that Fascism and Nazism were right wing, reactionary, bottom up, populist movements.

I agree they were closer to right-wing then left wing. Always been irritated by the term reactionary...what does it mean really? Bottom up?....no. Populist?...no, that would be the equivalent of calling them socialist really.

The beauty of these boards is that there doesn't have to be any scholarship of note. Tie an opinion to politics and start a chant, soon others will pick up the chant and the chant becomes believable for a few.
How do historians, political scientists, and other Social Scientists, those that teach in our universities, define and place Nazism, as socialist or fascist?

If they are in universities they are likely spinning it to avoid any association with socialism. While enjoying fucking the students out of a LOT of money.

I agree a lot of students are getting a raw deal at universities today.

I agree that you're a moron

Hitler was originally an agent for the Conservative German military hierarchy. He was paid to infiltrate one of the workers parties existing shortly after WWI, the (DAP). The German economy was in dire condition. Leftist parties were very popular. It seems Hitler was probably tasked to manipulate his party to oppose and disrupt the other parties. He became its leader and changed the name to NSDAP adding National and Socialist. This probably was done to draw members of both an existing nationalist party and various leftist/socialist parties. As someone else posted here the night of the long knives largely purged those who led a wing who actually believed the Socialist part of the rhetoric. Having created their Frankenstein the Conservatives probably lost some control over Hitler as he gained power, but he never really worked in the interest of the left.

Nothing you posted proves Hitler was a right-winger.

 

[bripat9643]

Forums like this are the only places on earth where people are confused about the meaning of right wing.

Nope. Most pinko professors are confused about the meaning of the term "right-wing," as are all the liberal drones in this forum.

 

[Saigon]

BriPat -

This has very little to do with what you or I or anyone else today thinks. It has been known and analysed for 60 years, and during that rime not a single major biogrpahy has suggested that Hitler is anything but rightwing.

The revisionism we see on this thread from people like yourself is very recent, and very American in nature.

Btw, when you refer to people being brainwashed, keep in mind that you are the one changing a meaning of a word from the meaning the appears in dictionaries. This alone might set you wondering why that is.

 

[Saigon]

Every college or university book store usually has little booklets on political ideologies; I have seven on my shelves. The booklets usually cover the gamut from Fascism on the right to communism on the left. Why this topic is even on these board beats me, except Hitler used the socialist thing in the Nazi title to con the people, and apparently some diehards believe Hitler would not tell a lie. Pretty soon we will be hearing about Hitler cutting down a cherry tree or something.

Yeah, despite the fact that Nazis said they were socialists, they attacked capitalism at every opportunity and they implemented a command economy that was functionally almost identical to the Soviet economy, the clairvoyant liberal toady knows they didn't really mean it.

This is simply ignorant - thefascist economy is Nothing like the Soviet economy.

One uses money - one does not.

Honestly - is this SO hard to understand? Because I really think most people could figure that out without too many problems.

 

[Discombobulated]

BriPat -

This has very little to do with what you or I or anyone else today thinks. It has been known and analysed for 60 years, and during that rime not a single major biogrpahy has suggested that Hitler is anything but rightwing.

The revisionism we see on this thread from people like yourself is very recent, and very American in nature.

Btw, when you refer to people being brainwashed, keep in mind that you are the one changing a meaning of a word from the meaning the appears in dictionaries. This alone might set you wondering why that is.

It's amazing how many people believe their opinions matter more than actual definitions.

 

[Discombobulated]

Every college or university book store usually has little booklets on political ideologies; I have seven on my shelves. The booklets usually cover the gamut from Fascism on the right to communism on the left. Why this topic is even on these board beats me, except Hitler used the socialist thing in the Nazi title to con the people, and apparently some diehards believe Hitler would not tell a lie. Pretty soon we will be hearing about Hitler cutting down a cherry tree or something.

Yeah, despite the fact that Nazis said they were socialists, they attacked capitalism at every opportunity and they implemented a command economy that was functionally almost identical to the Soviet economy, the clairvoyant liberal toady knows they didn't really mean it.

This is simply ignorant - thefascist economy is Nothing like the Soviet economy.

One uses money - one does not.

Honestly - is this SO hard to understand? Because I really think most people could figure that out without too many problems.

Funny to watch some of these dummies trying to rewrite history to fit contemporary politics.

 

[thanatos144]

And now, freedom to get free birth control, saving EVERYONE money.

Free contraceptives would go along way in preventing unwanted pregnancies, yet many of the anti abortion crowd opposes providing contraceptives freely to everyone of child bearing age, and opposing age appropriate sex education in the public schools.

Anyone who thinks through this issue must conclude that those who hold these positions must be stupid, or want to control the behavior of millions of others. I suppose for some it's both.

What is it with you people and your consistent inability to take responsibility for your own behavior?

Buy your own contraceptives and where that doesn't work, raise your kids!

If you can't DO THAT, then you have no business engaging in intercourse.

You aren't entitled to other people's property to make your life easier... and it is not someone else's responsibility to raise your children.

What you don't seem to understand is that where you are incapable of taking responsibility for yourselves, then you aren't qualified for freedom. And it is as simple as THAT.

Yep, you want to control others, and thus really don't care to reduce the number of abortions. In fact, if there were zero abortions you would still want to control the sexual life of others - but deny you're an authoritarian. You'd make a 'good' Nazi.

Question

Fundamentally what is the difference between wanting to control people by keeping gay marriage illegal and wanting to control people by forcing them to do business with people they don't like?

Try to just straight up answer if it is possible. I don't want , or need, any deflection.

Keys, I see you thanked this post, but you MUST realize that the opposite is also true. You ARE trying to control people.

Let faggots get "married" who cares

Except it isn't about homosexuals getting married it is about government tyranny. If the people of a state dont want homosexual marriage it isnt the government's place to deny that state its tenth amendment right

Tapatalk

 

[thanatos144]

Here is how it works in a liberals tiny brain. If it looks bad it is right wing. Like their fail at keeping slaves or segregation or the kkk or Japanese internment camps. They always just scream right wing and some idiot liberals buy it. Shit they spend thouands of dollars for their kids to go to universities to be taught this nonsense

Tapatalk

 

[TemplarKormac]

Every college or university book store usually has little booklets on political ideologies; I have seven on my shelves. The booklets usually cover the gamut from Fascism on the right to communism on the left. Why this topic is even on these board beats me, except Hitler used the socialist thing in the Nazi title to con the people, and apparently some diehards believe Hitler would not tell a lie. Pretty soon we will be hearing about Hitler cutting down a cherry tree or something.

Yeah, despite the fact that Nazis said they were socialists, they attacked capitalism at every opportunity and they implemented a command economy that was functionally almost identical to the Soviet economy, the clairvoyant liberal toady knows they didn't really mean it.

This is simply ignorant - thefascist economy is Nothing like the Soviet economy.

One uses money - one does not.

Honestly - is this SO hard to understand? Because I really think most people could figure that out without too many problems.

Funny to watch some of these dummies trying to rewrite history to fit contemporary politics.

Ah, but do you think it is purely confined to them?

 

[Kosh]

A thread where the far left is posting that Socialism is right wing politics..

Man these far left drones will say or do anything their programming tells them to..

 

[BluesLegend]

Look its not rocket science, the left has aborted more than 50 million human babies, does that sound like Hilter? Well there you go.

Hyperbole squared? Conservative women never have an abortion? 50 Million? Post a credible source that this number is factual and during what time period?

Do you deny that Democrats, and liberals in particular are not the champions who are defending the right to horribly mutilate helpless human life forms in the womb? How many has the left killed 5x as many as Hitler?

Yes. We want women to have the freedom to end unwanted pregnancies, which the SUPREME COURT has ruled is not a human being for the first 3 months. Or in a few cases, to save the life of the woman after that, brainwashed one trick pony. Choice is freedom, you are a brainwashed fascist. We have lots of intelligent conservative allies,too. The new choice of free birth control will cut the number of abortions greatly. More freedom. From liberals of course.

Newsflash God overruled the liberal infested SCOTUS.

Are you nuts, or trying to pass off a big lie?

Are you one of those libs who pretend to be a Christian like Obama and the rest of the Abortion fan club left?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Accept, it wasn't truly private ownership and you dam' well know it.

Large swaths of the culture were forbidden from owning anything and anyone who was caught assisting those those within those swaths were subsequently forbidden from owning anything. Now who decided THAT? The Collective? No... THE STATE decided that... Therefore, in every SENSE of the concept: The NAZI STATE CONTROLLED THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION AND EXCHANGE.

So what you're pointing to distinction without a difference; two sides to the same socialist coin.

The HYSTERICAL PART OF IT, is that you're ARGUING that they're OPPOSITE.

And you can't BUY that level of delusion friend. THAT you gotta be BORN with.

It was within the Nationalist structure. So was everything else. But those who owned businesses made their profit from it. It was less nationalised than it had been before.

You're saying it is Socialist, yet "Large swaths of the culture were forbidden" from anything which you deem to be Socialist. Only what you're claiming is socialist just isn't. Socialism is when the production is in the hands of the govt. IT WASN'T IN THE HANDS OF THE GOVT.

So basically what you're saying is that the US was a Socialist state up to the end of the Civil War because in many cases blacks could own thing businesses, especially in the South, so, essentially they controlled all of these businesses?

Great argument...... [cough cough]

 

[Saigon]

I think it's worth mentioning here that the alliance between the Nazis and major corporations is something that exists to a lesser extent in most capitalist economies.

Where would Boeng, Lockheed or Halliburton be without government contracts?

Do people really think that there is no behind the scenes discussion on how those deals come about?

It amazes me that some people apparently believe that governments have to be pure, shining examples of ideological purity before they can be placed on an ideological scale. They don't. Most governments are muddled, confused and even contradictory messes, beset with faults and ideas borrowed from other parties. It did not stop Stalin's government from being labeled socialist (despite being a fairly poor example of socialism) and it did not stop Hitler from being labeled right-wing.

 

[Iceweasel]

Begs the question: Are these people stupid on purpose or by design?

The strong anti-Intellectual themes they parrot are little more than a conditioned response. Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck and others have convinced them that the word "elite" does not mean the actual elites in this country -- the captains of industry and such -- but anybody who furthers their education at a University. It is just an old trick demagogues have always used to drum up popular support as they create the sense of resentment and then offer the reward. In this case, the resentment is based upon education while the reward offered is to call all those who agree with the demagogue the real smart people.

So, to answer the question, I would say both. The people who repeat all the stale framing devices are stupid, but there is a definite design to it. It may not be by their own design, but it is by design nevertheless.

LOL. Arrogant liberal asshole!

Are anti-intellectualism and name calling the best you've got?

I call assholes like you assholes for a reason. You need to minimize everything I said, the quotes and sources I posted to back it up and you call it anti-intellectualism. Fuck you asshole, you exemplify the left very well indeed!

 

[Iceweasel]

Idiot. Ever heard of Messerschmidt, Krupp, Porsche, Mercedes, Volkswagen, Toldt, Heinkel, etc etc, or Baron von Ribbentropp? OR for that matter Mitsubishi and Hirohito. That's RW totalitarianism or fascism. LW totalitarianism is communism- NO corporations or aristocratic titles. RW per se meaning small gov't and freedom is the New BS GOP propaganda, dupes. Socialism can just as easily be small gov't and freedom. Of course, you brainwashed chumpsw "think" socialism is communism...

So, no one on the right has the right to believe in a smaller government and you trot out state run business for war making machinery as your proof? RETARD!

 

[Iceweasel]

I think it's worth mentioning here that the alliance between the Nazis and major corporations is something that exists to a lesser extent in most capitalist economies.

Where would Boeng, Lockheed or Halliburton be without government contracts?

Do people really think that there is no behind the scenes discussion on how those deals come about?

It amazes me that some people apparently believe that governments have to be pure, shining examples of ideological purity before they can be placed on an ideological scale. They don't. Most governments are muddled, confused and even contradictory messes, beset with faults and ideas borrowed from other parties. It did not stop Stalin's government from being labeled socialist (despite being a fairly poor example of socialism) and it did not stop Hitler from being labeled right-wing.

So your objection is in the labeling of governments and you are going to clear things up by mentioning government contracts with American corporations as if it were the same as the Nazi government take over of manufacturing? That's clear as mud.

 

[Saigon]

Iceweasel-

I suggest that at this point you spend some time catching up on the history and politics of the Nazi regime, and then get back to us.

I have tried to explain things to you quite patiently, but at this stage it is clear how difficult you find these comcepts to understand.