Hitler, Fascism and the right wing

[Discombobulated]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

So you've uncovered the diabolical connection, a government that plans an economy......like every other government on earth. Imagine that, everyone is secretly communist and didn't know it.

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

Authoritarian, would you not expect an authoritarian system of rule not to include central planning and limited personal choice?

What is right wing? Traditionally, the RW supported the Monarchy, the Clergy, the Aristocracy and the status quo; the left wing, supported a representative government elected by the people, and the common people.

LOL! Key word here: "Traditionally" ... a word delusionally used to promote the erroneous notion that such IS... and 'supported', a word mistakenly used, which speaks to what WAS...

So she wants to establish that "Right-wingers", OKA: Americans... are big proponents of Aristocracy and Monarchy... this despite America being founded upon the rejection of BOTH. All of which merges PERFECTLY with her attempt to hijack the traits of Americans, assigning such to the Left...

Bass-ackwards and downside-up.


The Wealthy in the US TYPICALLY have EARNED the money they have available to them... thus they are NOT Aristocrats who were born into money.

In MOST instances, those in the US Born Into Money go out BROKE... and it is THAT FUNCTION OF THE NATURAL ORDER that "BALANCES THE PLAYING FIELD".

The Ideological Left serves ONE PURPOSE AND ONE PURPOSE ONLY: THE ACQUISITION AND MAINTENANCE OF THEIR OWN POWER.

 

[Discombobulated]

A few excepts:

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
John J. Ray (M.A.; Ph.D.)

EPITOME:
Hitler was a fairly mainstream Leftist of his day. It must be remembered that he gained power by way of a democratic election, not by way of a revolution or a military coup. If any of that seems wrong to you, you need to keep reading.

But the most spectacular aspect of Nazism was surely its antisemitism. And that had a grounding in Marx himself. The following passage is from Marx but it could just as well have been from Hitler:

"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time....

We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".

Another point:
"Everything must be different!" or "Alles muss anders sein!" was a slogan of the Nazi Party. It is also the heart's desire of every Leftist since Karl Marx. Nazism was a deeply revolutionary creed, a fact that is always denied by the Left; but it's true. Hitler and his criminal gang hated the rich, the capitalists, the Jews, the Christian Churches, and "the System".

Brown Bolsheviks

It is very easy to miss complexities in the the politics of the past and thus draw wrong conclusions about them. To understand the politics of the past we need to set aside for a time our own way of looking at things and try to see how the people involved at the time saw it all. Doing so is an almost essential step if we wish to understand the similarities and differences between Nazism and Marxism/Leninism.

The following excerpt from James P. O'Donnell's THE BUNKER (1978, Boston, Houghton Mifflin, pp. 261-262) is instructive. O'Donnell is quoting Artur Axmann, the Nazi youth leader, recalling a conversation with Goebbels in the Hitler bunker on Tuesday, May 1, 1945, the same day Goebbels and his wife would kill themselves after she killed their children. "Goebbels stood up to greet me. He soon launched into lively memories of our old street-fighting days in Berlin-Wedding, from nineteen twenty-eight to thirty-three. He recalled how we had clobbered the Berlin Communists and the Socialists into submission, to the tune of the "Horst Wessel" marching song, on their old home ground.

He said one of the great accomplishments of the Hitler regime had been to win the German workers over almost totally to the national cause. We had made patriots of the workers, he said, as the Kaiser had dismally failed to do. This, he kept repeating, had been one of the real triumphs of the movement. We Nazis were a non-Marxist yet revolutionary party, anticapitalist, antibourgeois, antireactionary....

Starch-collared men like Chancellor Heinrich Bruening had called us the "Brown Bolsheviks," and their bourgeois instincts were not wrong. It seems inconceivable to modern minds that just a few differences between two similar ideologies -- Marxism and Nazism -- could have been sufficient cause for great enmity between those two ideologies. But the differences concerned were important to the people involved at the time. Marxism was class-based and Nazism was nationally based but otherwise they were very similar. That's what people said and thought at the time and that explains what they did and how they did it.

A modern Leftist

Let us look at what the Left and Right in politics consist of at present. Consider this description by Edward Feser of someone who would have been a pretty good Presidential candidate for the modern-day U.S. Democratic party: He had been something of a bohemian in his youth, and always regarded young people and their idealism as the key to progress and the overcoming of outmoded prejudices. And he was widely admired by the young people of his country, many of whom belonged to organizations devoted to practicing and propagating his teachings. He had a lifelong passion for music, art, and architecture, and was even something of a painter. He rejected what he regarded as petty bourgeois moral hang-ups, and he and his girlfriend "lived together" for years. He counted a number of homosexuals as friends and collaborators, and took the view that a man's personal morals were none of his business; some scholars of his life believe that he himself may have been homosexual or bisexual. He was ahead of his time where a number of contemporary progressive causes are concerned: he disliked smoking, regarding it as a serious danger to public health, and took steps to combat it; he was a vegetarian and animal lover; he enacted tough gun control laws; and he advocated euthanasia for the incurably ill.

He championed the rights of workers, regarded capitalist society as brutal and unjust, and sought a third way between communism and the free market. In this regard, he and his associates greatly admired the strong steps taken by President Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal to take large-scale economic decision-making out of private hands and put it into those of government planning agencies. His aim was to institute a brand of socialism that avoided the inefficiencies that plagued the Soviet variety, and many former communists found his program highly congenial.

He deplored the selfish individualism he took to be endemic to modern Western society, and wanted to replace it with an ethic of self-sacrifice: "As Christ proclaimed 'love one another'," he said, "so our call -- 'people's community,' 'public need before private greed,' 'communally-minded social consciousness' -- rings out.! This call will echo throughout the world!"

Thanks for providing more internet opinions from a non historian.
historyandpolitics77 JJ Ray Hitler was a socialist debunked. Part one The context of Nazism

 

[kaz]

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

So you've uncovered the diabolical connection, a government that plans an economy......like every other government on earth. Imagine that, everyone is secretly communist and didn't know it.

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

 

[bripat9643]

The greatest mass murderers in history were all socialists....of one type or another....deal with it....

I knew there was something suspicious about Timothy McVeigh.

Timothy was the smallest of small fry compared to even your average leftwing dictator.

 

[bripat9643]

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

So you've uncovered the diabolical connection, a government that plans an economy......like every other government on earth. Imagine that, everyone is secretly communist and didn't know it.

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Another "definition" by a brainwashed pinko commie.

 

[Discombobulated]

So you've uncovered the diabolical connection, a government that plans an economy......like every other government on earth. Imagine that, everyone is secretly communist and didn't know it.

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

What you are, is an IMBECILE! And I say that not as an epithet, but as a statement of demonstrable FACT!

With YOU having provided the full measure of the demonstrations that established that, now incontrovertible FACT!

 

[Iceweasel]

HITLER WAS A SOCIALIST
Leftist denials of Hitler's Leftism: Kangas


Modern day Leftists of course hate it when you point out to them that Hitler was one of them. They deny it furiously -- even though in Hitler's own day both the orthodox Leftists who represented the German labor unions (the SPD) and the Communists (KPD) voted WITH the Nazis in the Reichstag (German Parliament) on various important occasions -- though not on all occasions. They were after all political rivals. It was only at the last gasp -- the passage of the "Enabling Act" that gave Hitler absolute power -- that the SPD opposed the Nazis resolutely. They knew from introspection where that would lead, even if others were deceived.

As part of that denial, an essay by the late Steve Kangas is much reproduced on the internet. Entering the search phrase "Hitler was a Leftist" will bring up multiple copies of it. Kangas however reveals where he is coming from in his very first sentence: "Many conservatives accuse Hitler of being a leftist, on the grounds that his party was named "National Socialist." But socialism requires worker ownership and control of the means of production". It does? Only to Marxists. So Kangas is saying only that Hitler was less Leftist than the Communists -- and that would not be hard. Surely a "democratic" Leftist should see that as faintly to Hitler's credit, in fact.

Leonard Peikoff makes clear the triviality of the difference:

Contrary to the Marxists, the Nazis did not advocate public ownership of the means of production. They did demand that the government oversee and run the nation's economy. The issue of legal ownership, they explained, is secondary; what counts is the issue of CONTROL. Private citizens, therefore, may continue to hold titles to property -- so long as the state reserves to itself the unqualified right to regulate the use of their property.
Which sounds just like the Leftists of today.

 

[kaz]

ROFLMNAO!

Yeah... 'fiscal planning always must equate to central planning and when 'every country on earth centrally plans for their respective economies through their central government', this naturally refutes the idea that such is socialism, because 'every nation on earth is NOT socialist!'

Folks you cannot make that convoluted crap up.

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

No, you link to someone not smart enough to make up their own definitions but does it anyway.

So what about answering the question, Skippy. How was fascist Germany materially different from Communist Russia?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Based on what I've seen so far I'd be very surprised if some foundation hadn't already offered funding for you to start your own think tank.

Why? LOL! Because I own YOU?


As impressive as you might be sure that is, in reality, it ain't much. In most of the US, all I'm pointing out here what is otherwise recognized as basic common sense.

It only appears to be HIGH-REASON, when its set against the abyss of Left-think.

Yay! Another self-proclaimed victory! You can't lose can you.

It has become obvious, Keys can play with himself and lose. He mentally masturbates and loses his mind.

 

[Discombobulated]

Someone should alert Webster's about making the necessary corrections.

Right wing - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[Wry Catcher]

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

No, you link to someone not smart enough to make up their own definitions but does it anyway.

So what about answering the question, Skippy. How was fascist Germany materially different from Communist Russia?

Russia was invaded by Germany, if they were allies, why is that so? Later, Russia occupied Germany, if they were allies why is that so?

It requires thought applied critically to historical records to fully understand geopolitics, something the Crazy Right Wing of today in the US cannot or will not do.

 

[francoHFW]

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

No, you link to someone not smart enough to make up their own definitions but does it anyway.

So what about answering the question, Skippy. How was fascist Germany materially different from Communist Russia?

No collective economy duh. German corporate elites worked hand in hand with Hitler to make MONEY in their war economy. You are a brainwashed functional moron. Where do you get this stuff? The whole rest of the world outside the 20% Pub hater dupe bizarro world believe Liberal Fascism and Beckcrappe are absolute drivel.

 

[Wry Catcher]

[\ Republican policies support the 1% and believe that when the 1% does well, the country as a whole does well.

You're describing Obama and his Bailouts, the largest multi-trillion dollar wealth transfer in all of world history (from the poor to the rich), correct?

No I wasn't. Obama was handed a nation deep in shit with no game plan to follow. He hit the job running and succeeded, or have you not noticed the economy has recovered from the Great Recession of 2007 - 2009. Maybe you ought to broaden your sources of information and put your bias and pre judgments aside.

 

[Discombobulated]

It's really funny to watch you people struggle to deny that Fascists and Nazis were right wing, ultra conservative, reactionary movements.

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

No, you link to someone not smart enough to make up their own definitions but does it anyway.

So what about answering the question, Skippy. How was fascist Germany materially different from Communist Russia?

Soviet Communist were left wing and Nazi Germany was right wing......as everyone obviously already knows. Well.....almost everyone.

 

[Wry Catcher]

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
   synonyms: authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy;More
   • (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Do you notice that all those words apply to Russia and China? Again, the only difference in this definition is the unsubstantiated claim it's "right wing."

If you go back to what the Nazis did, it was central economic planning. Again, exactly like China and Russia. Are any bulbs going off yet?

Authoritarian, would you not expect an authoritarian system of rule not to include central planning and limited personal choice?

What is right wing? Traditionally, the RW supported the Monarchy, the Clergy, the Aristocracy and the status quo; the left wing, supported a representative government elected by the people, and the common people.

LOL! Key word here: "Traditionally" ... a word delusionally used to promote the erroneous notion that such IS... and 'supported', a word mistakenly used, which speaks to what WAS...

So she wants to establish that "Right-wingers", OKA: Americans... are big proponents of Aristocracy and Monarchy... this despite America being founded upon the rejection of BOTH. All of which merges PERFECTLY with her attempt to hijack the traits of Americans, assigning such to the Left...

Bass-ackwards and downside-up.


The Wealthy in the US TYPICALLY have EARNED the money they have available to them... thus they are NOT Aristocrats who were born into money.

In MOST instances, those in the US Born Into Money go out BROKE... and it is THAT FUNCTION OF THE NATURAL ORDER that "BALANCES THE PLAYING FIELD".

The Ideological Left serves ONE PURPOSE AND ONE PURPOSE ONLY: THE ACQUISITION AND MAINTENANCE OF THEIR OWN POWER.

I really, honestly, truly believe you are not sane.

 

[francoHFW]

It was an easy definition, it just can't overcome your political programming. I'll dumb it down for you, probably won't be enough since you're exceptionally dumb, but what is a material difference between "Fascist" Germany and "Communist" Russia?

You dummies really are just about as stupid as you can possibly be.

Right wing Define Right wing at Dictionary.com

Wow, you finally didn't just call us stupid, you provided a link this time. LOL. You're not just discombobulated, you're dismanhooded.

At least I'm smart enough to know better than to make up my own definitions.

No, you link to someone not smart enough to make up their own definitions but does it anyway.

So what about answering the question, Skippy. How was fascist Germany materially different from Communist Russia?

Russia was invaded by Germany, if they were allies, why is that so? Later, Russia occupied Germany, if they were allies why is that so?

It requires thought applied critically to historical records to fully understand geopolitics, something the Crazy Right Wing of today in the US cannot or will not do.

Hitler's "alliance" with Stain was about as truthful as the name of his party and all his other bs propaganda. His fascist RW beliefs are just an inch to the right of the worst of the GOP.

 

[2aguy]

Ice Weasel....John J. Ray is a great source on this stuff...thanks for posting it....have you read his other works on leftism....?

 

[2aguy]

His fascist RW beliefs are just an inch to the right of the worst of the GOP.

Oh...you were educated in a government school run by the education wing of the democrat party....so sad....