How can there ever be peace here?

[JStone]

Why don't you post a map of Israel that does not have the 1949 armistice lines.

Here is Jewish Israel.

Gay Boy, there is no palestine. The correct historical name of the country is Israel.

Exodus 34:27
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel!”

John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

 

[MJB12741]

For those who actually want Israel to declare borders, Israel should sastisy them by declaring their borders from Syria/Lebanon to Egypt to Jordan, thus leaving no place in Israel for any Palestinian State.

Why don't you post a map of Israel that does not have the 1949 armistice lines.

Here is Jewish Israel.

Gay Boy, there is no palestine. The correct historical name of the country is Israel.

Exodus 34:27
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel!”

John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

 

[P F Tinmore]

For those who actually want Israel to declare borders, Israel should sastisy them by declaring their borders from Syria/Lebanon to Egypt to Jordan, thus leaving no place in Israel for any Palestinian State.

Here is Jewish Israel.

Gay Boy, there is no palestine. The correct historical name of the country is Israel.

Exodus 34:27
Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

John 12:13 They took palm branches and went out to meet him, shouting, “Hosanna! “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! “Blessed is the king of Israel!”

John 1:49 Then Nathanael declared, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the King of Israel."

It isn't that simple. If it was, Israel would have done that years ago. The only way Israel can get any land or borders that belong to Palestine is to negotiate them with the Palestinians.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

This has nothing to do with the Palestinian's.

It has to do with Israel building illegal structures on land that isn't their's.

I know it has nothing to do with the "Palestinians", they're imaginary.

The previous owners of the land were the Ottoman Empire.

Israel has been attacking imaginary people for over 60 years and has not won yet.

Pesky Arabs have been attacking Israel for a while.
Every time they use their armies, the Israelis win more land.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know it has nothing to do with the "Palestinians", they're imaginary.

The previous owners of the land were the Ottoman Empire.

You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the arabs were the majority land owners in that area at that time.

Yup, the Ottomans owned the majority of the land.
Then they lost it.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I know it has nothing to do with the "Palestinians", they're imaginary.

The previous owners of the land were the Ottoman Empire.

Israel has been attacking imaginary people for over 60 years and has not won yet.

Pesky Arabs have been attacking Israel for a while.
Every time they use their armies, the Israelis win more land.

That is what the propaganda says. However that is not true. Israel has won nothing.

It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I know it has nothing to do with the "Palestinians", they're imaginary.

The previous owners of the land were the Ottoman Empire.

You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the arabs were the majority land owners in that area at that time.

Yup, the Ottomans owned the majority of the land.
Then they lost it.

Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine. Britain never claimed any land. Britain could not give away what was not theirs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Israel has been attacking imaginary people for over 60 years and has not won yet.

Pesky Arabs have been attacking Israel for a while.
Every time they use their armies, the Israelis win more land.

That is what the propaganda says. However that is not true. Israel has won nothing.

It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

It's sad that the Arabs keep losing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the arabs were the majority land owners in that area at that time.

Yup, the Ottomans owned the majority of the land.
Then they lost it.

Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine. Britain never claimed any land. Britain could not give away what was not theirs.

There is no government of Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yup, the Ottomans owned the majority of the land.
Then they lost it.

Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine. Britain never claimed any land. Britain could not give away what was not theirs.

There is no government of Palestine.

It is interesting that the Palestinians have been getting along for almost a hundred years without a government.

And besides, where does it say that a people are required to have a government?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Pesky Arabs have been attacking Israel for a while.
Every time they use their armies, the Israelis win more land.

That is what the propaganda says. However that is not true. Israel has won nothing.

It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

It's sad that the Arabs keep losing.

When did the Palestinians lose?

When did they surrender?

When did they cede land or change their borders?

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no government of Palestine.

Yes there is; it's called the Israeli military. You can't lose sight of the fact that this is, by legal definition, an "occupation". And the Israeli military, is the administrator of that occupation. Which carry's certain obligations with respect to international humanitarian law (IHL). And according to the UN, Israel is in violation of IHL.

THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI
SETTLEMENT POLICIES

1. Settlements are illegal under international law as they violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the transfer of the occupying power’s civilian population into occupied territory. This illegality has been confirmed by the International Court of Justice, the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention and the United Nations Security Council.

2. Seizure of land for settlement building and future expansion has resulted in the shrinking of space available for Palestinians to sustain their livelihoods and develop adequate housing, basic infrastructure and services. Settlement expansion plans have led to extensive demolitions of Palestinian homes and the forcible displacement of people.

3. The failure to respect international law, along with the lack of adequate law enforcement vis-à-vis settler violence and takeover of land has led to a state of impunity, which encourages further violence and undermines the physical security and livelihoods of Palestinians. Those protesting settlement expansion or access restrictions imposed for the benefit of settlements (including the Barrier) are regularly exposed to injury and arrest by Israeli forces.

4. Israeli civil law is de facto applied to all settlers and settlements across the occupied West Bank, while Israeli military law is applied to Palestinians, except in East Jerusalem, which was officially annexed to Israel. As a result, two separate legal systems and sets of rights are applied by the same authority in the same area, depending on the national origin of the persons, discriminating against Palestinians.

5. Continuing settlement construction, expansion and encroachment on Palestinian land is an integral part of the ongoing fragmentation of the West Bank, including the isolation of East Jerusalem. This fragmentation undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, which is to be realized with the creation of a viable and contiguous Palestinian state alongside Israel.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinian's is pretty fucked.



And people who actively support Israeli tyranny over the Pals, are pretty fucked too! They are skumbag humans that are nothing but a cancer to this planet.

 

[JStone]

That is what the propaganda says. However that is not true. Israel has won nothing.

It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

It's sad that the Arabs keep losing.

When did the Palestinians lose?

When did they surrender?

When did they cede land or change their borders?

Arabs are dumb, ignorant, unsuccessful losers.





The Misery of Arabs/Apple R&D In Israel

Apple will open a research and development center in Israel that will focus on semiconductors

The R&D center in Herzliya, Israel’s version of Silicon Valley, would be Apple’s first outside California

Earlier this week, Israeli media reported Apple was in advanced talks to buy Anobit, an Israeli maker of flash storage technology, for $400-$500 million

It is so sad and frustrating to see APPLE investing in Israel, while we as Arabs are not able to attract these investments to our countries! I don’t know what our leaders are doing to create proper environment for such investments!

I would prefer seeing APPLE as well as MICROSOFT having their R&D in Lebanon or any other Arab Country instead of being in ISRAEL!

WISH THE ARAB LEADERS WILL WAKE UP AND CARE FOR DEVELOPING THEIR COUNTRIES AND SOCIETIES INSTEAD OF APPLYING DICTATORSHIP AND KILL THEIR PEOPLE!
The Misery of Arabs ! Apple R&D in ISRAEL! | What do You Think ?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA4wnqRAuhI]Apple to set up Israel development center - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH1mYikmYzo]Apple to Acquire Anobit? - YouTube[/ame]

Apple today confirmed earlier reports it has acquired Israel-based flash memory startup Anobit....which makes flash memory technology found in the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook Air.. The deal was reported to be worth $400 million to $500 million.
Apple confirms Anobit acquisition | Apple - CNET News

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ottoman land was ceded to the government of Palestine. Britain never claimed any land. Britain could not give away what was not theirs.

There is no government of Palestine.

It is interesting that the Palestinians have been getting along for almost a hundred years without a government.

And besides, where does it say that a people are required to have a government?

You're the one who brought up their imaginary government.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That is what the propaganda says. However that is not true. Israel has won nothing.

It is inadmissible to acquire land through the threat or use of force.

It's sad that the Arabs keep losing.

When did the Palestinians lose?

When did they surrender?

When did they cede land or change their borders?

The Arabs lost every time they tried to fight the Israelis.
The nice thing about losing is you don't have to cede land, that decision is made by the winners.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no government of Palestine.

Yes there is; it's called the Israeli military. You can't lose sight of the fact that this is, by legal definition, an "occupation". And the Israeli military, is the administrator of that occupation. Which carry's certain obligations with respect to international humanitarian law (IHL). And according to the UN, Israel is in violation of IHL.

THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI
SETTLEMENT POLICIES

1. Settlements are illegal under international law as they violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the transfer of the occupying power’s civilian population into occupied territory. This illegality has been confirmed by the International Court of Justice, the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention and the United Nations Security Council.

2. Seizure of land for settlement building and future expansion has resulted in the shrinking of space available for Palestinians to sustain their livelihoods and develop adequate housing, basic infrastructure and services. Settlement expansion plans have led to extensive demolitions of Palestinian homes and the forcible displacement of people.

3. The failure to respect international law, along with the lack of adequate law enforcement vis-à-vis settler violence and takeover of land has led to a state of impunity, which encourages further violence and undermines the physical security and livelihoods of Palestinians. Those protesting settlement expansion or access restrictions imposed for the benefit of settlements (including the Barrier) are regularly exposed to injury and arrest by Israeli forces.

4. Israeli civil law is de facto applied to all settlers and settlements across the occupied West Bank, while Israeli military law is applied to Palestinians, except in East Jerusalem, which was officially annexed to Israel. As a result, two separate legal systems and sets of rights are applied by the same authority in the same area, depending on the national origin of the persons, discriminating against Palestinians.

5. Continuing settlement construction, expansion and encroachment on Palestinian land is an integral part of the ongoing fragmentation of the West Bank, including the isolation of East Jerusalem. This fragmentation undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, which is to be realized with the creation of a viable and contiguous Palestinian state alongside Israel.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinian's is pretty fucked.



And people who actively support Israeli tyranny over the Pals, are pretty fucked too! They are skumbag humans that are nothing but a cancer to this planet.

What do you feel Israel is occupying?

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's sad that the Arabs keep losing.

When did the Palestinians lose?

When did they surrender?

When did they cede land or change their borders?

The Arabs lost every time they tried to fight the Israelis.
The nice thing about losing is you don't have to cede land, that decision is made by the winners.

Israel is declaring victory prematurely. Shouldn't they wait until the war is over?

 

[JStone]

When did the Palestinians lose?

When did they surrender?

When did they cede land or change their borders?

The Arabs lost every time they tried to fight the Israelis.
The nice thing about losing is you don't have to cede land, that decision is made by the winners.

Israel is declaring victory prematurely. Shouldn't they wait until the war is over?

Israel won, loser

Bill Gates...

Israel is by many measures the country, relative to its population, that's done the most to contribute to the technology revolution

Warren Buffett...

If you go to the Middle East looking for oil, you don't even stop at Israel. But, if you go looking for brains, for energy and for integrity, Israel is the only stop you make.

CNBC...

When you look at the NASDAQ, companies are listed from around the world. There's one country, though, that truly stands out and that is Israel

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHStBGk_D8Y]Israel Innovation - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no government of Palestine.

Yes there is; it's called the Israeli military. You can't lose sight of the fact that this is, by legal definition, an "occupation". And the Israeli military, is the administrator of that occupation. Which carry's certain obligations with respect to international humanitarian law (IHL). And according to the UN, Israel is in violation of IHL.

THE HUMANITARIAN IMPACT OF ISRAELI
SETTLEMENT POLICIES

1. Settlements are illegal under international law as they violate Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits the transfer of the occupying power’s civilian population into occupied territory. This illegality has been confirmed by the International Court of Justice, the High Contracting Parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention and the United Nations Security Council.

2. Seizure of land for settlement building and future expansion has resulted in the shrinking of space available for Palestinians to sustain their livelihoods and develop adequate housing, basic infrastructure and services. Settlement expansion plans have led to extensive demolitions of Palestinian homes and the forcible displacement of people.

3. The failure to respect international law, along with the lack of adequate law enforcement vis-à-vis settler violence and takeover of land has led to a state of impunity, which encourages further violence and undermines the physical security and livelihoods of Palestinians. Those protesting settlement expansion or access restrictions imposed for the benefit of settlements (including the Barrier) are regularly exposed to injury and arrest by Israeli forces.

4. Israeli civil law is de facto applied to all settlers and settlements across the occupied West Bank, while Israeli military law is applied to Palestinians, except in East Jerusalem, which was officially annexed to Israel. As a result, two separate legal systems and sets of rights are applied by the same authority in the same area, depending on the national origin of the persons, discriminating against Palestinians.

5. Continuing settlement construction, expansion and encroachment on Palestinian land is an integral part of the ongoing fragmentation of the West Bank, including the isolation of East Jerusalem. This fragmentation undermines the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination, which is to be realized with the creation of a viable and contiguous Palestinian state alongside Israel.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinian's is pretty fucked.



And people who actively support Israeli tyranny over the Pals, are pretty fucked too! They are skumbag humans that are nothing but a cancer to this planet.

What do you feel Israel is occupying?

Any land that Israel controls that is outside its borders is occupied.

 

[JStone]

Yes there is; it's called the Israeli military. You can't lose sight of the fact that this is, by legal definition, an "occupation". And the Israeli military, is the administrator of that occupation. Which carry's certain obligations with respect to international humanitarian law (IHL). And according to the UN, Israel is in violation of IHL.

What Israel is doing to the Palestinian's is pretty fucked.



And people who actively support Israeli tyranny over the Pals, are pretty fucked too! They are skumbag humans that are nothing but a cancer to this planet.

What do you feel Israel is occupying?

Any land that Israel controls that is outside its borders is occupied.

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Eugene Rostow, Legal Scholar, Former Dean of the Yale Law School, Under Secretary of State in the Johnson administration, US State Dept Legal Advisor, Drafter of UN Res. 242 pertaining to Israeli land in the West Bank...

The British Mandate recognized the right of the Jewish people to "close settlement" in the whole of the Mandated territory [Palestine]. The Jewish right of settlement in Palestine west of the Jordan river, that is, in Israel, the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, was made unassailable. That right has never been terminated and cannot be terminated except by a recognized peace between Israel and its neighbors. And perhaps not even then, in view of Article 80 of the U.N. Charter, "the Palestine article," which provides that "nothing in the Charter shall be construed ... to alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments...."

The mandate implicitly denies Arab claims to national political rights in the area in favor of the Jews; the mandated territory was in effect reserved to the Jewish people for their self-determination and political development, in acknowledgment of the historic connection of the Jewish people to the land. Lord Curzon, who was then the British Foreign Minister, made this reading of the mandate explicit. There remains simply the theory that the Arab inhabitants of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip have an inherent 'natural law' claim to the area. Neither customary international law nor the United Nations Charter acknowledges that every group of people claiming to be a nation has the right to a state of its own."
Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies