How do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military

[Missouri_Mike]

Their military role isn't all that special. :SHRUG:

Do you always stratify how "special" a veteran's role is in the military?

As a veteran myself, I do. They have no recourse for legality in any way, they are still illegals. Just because very few of them may have served (under 20 out of 800,000) in a very low capacity (interpreter) doesn't grant them any special privilege.

"A very low capacity"? Whoa! Look at you all high and mighty!

Do you think a low grade level interpreter sitting at a desk is an extremely important role?

Let me guess what they are interpreting... umm, Spanish for the other illegals?

 

[Avatar4321]

How does someone illegally in our country join the military?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Being in the service is a perfect time to work on citizenship.

Plenty of time to study, lots of people to help.

They can not work on citizenship, DACA doesn't grant them any legality, they are still illegal immigrants with simple work authorization until their deportation proceedings are called up. If their work authorization ends while in the military they are simply discharged.

Do you have a link backing that claim?

Backing what claim? That DACA doesn't grant any legal status?

What Is DACA

On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

This is basic knowledge. :SHRUG:

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Their military role isn't all that special. :SHRUG:

Do you always stratify how "special" a veteran's role is in the military?

As a veteran myself, I do. They have no recourse for legality in any way, they are still illegals. Just because very few of them may have served (under 20 out of 800,000) in a very low capacity (interpreter) doesn't grant them any special privilege.

"A very low capacity"? Whoa! Look at you all high and mighty!

Do you think a low grade level interpreter sitting at a desk is an extremely important role?

Let me guess what they are interpreting... umm, Spanish for the other illegals?

Actually most haven't even gotten to basic training yet and their window is closing. They have 2 years after signing up for the program to make it to basic, they keep getting pushed back due to background checks stemming from both Obama and Trump. The likeliness of them actually getting into the military is extremely low to not.

 

[Auld Phart]

Being in the service is a perfect time to work on citizenship.

Plenty of time to study, lots of people to help.

They can not work on citizenship, DACA doesn't grant them any legality, they are still illegal immigrants with simple work authorization until their deportation proceedings are called up. If their work authorization ends while in the military they are simply discharged.

Do you have a link backing that claim?

Backing what claim? That DACA doesn't grant any legal status?

What Is DACA

On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

This is basic knowledge. :SHRUG:

The entire post.

Common knowledge?

Allow DREAMers to serve in the military

"On November 25, 2008, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates signed a memorandum authorizing the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force to implement a new non-citizen recruiting pilot program for the United States Armed Services titled “Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest” (MAVNI). Significantly, the MAVNI program expanded the categories of persons who could lawfully enlist. Utilizing Section 504(b)(2) of the enlistment statute, the secretary of Defense determined that the enlistment of certain high quality legal immigrants without green cards was “vital to the national interest” and authorized the military branches to commence the MAVNI pilot program. The MAVNI program sought to recruit health care professionals and persons who spoke strategic languages."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military.
The vast majority of Dreamers have proven to be more productive member of the US than most citizens. There needs to be a way to keep them in the US.
But for those who disagree how do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military

I think we should deport 2 USMB progressives and keep the Veteran

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

I have always been in favor of granting citizenship to those who successfully serve in the military. What better way to prove loyalty and worth than to protect America.

That would be inviting our military, responsible for critical National Defense, to become a springboard for anyone seeking citizenship. That would give foreign spies a win win path to harm America.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How does someone illegally in our country join the military?

All they have been able to do so far is sign up, they can't make it to basic training as they can't pass the back ground checks put in place by Obama and Trump. SO they technically haven't served or joined.

 

[Kondor3]

How do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military.
The vast majority of Dreamers have proven to be more productive member of the US than most citizens. There needs to be a way to keep them in the US.
But for those who disagree how do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military

You put them on a secure bus and give 'em a ham sandwich and a juice-box.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Being in the service is a perfect time to work on citizenship.

Plenty of time to study, lots of people to help.

They can not work on citizenship, DACA doesn't grant them any legality, they are still illegal immigrants with simple work authorization until their deportation proceedings are called up. If their work authorization ends while in the military they are simply discharged.

Do you have a link backing that claim?

Backing what claim? That DACA doesn't grant any legal status?

What Is DACA

On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

This is basic knowledge. :SHRUG:

The entire post.

Common knowledge?

Allow DREAMers to serve in the military

"On November 25, 2008, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates signed a memorandum authorizing the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force to implement a new non-citizen recruiting pilot program for the United States Armed Services titled “Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest” (MAVNI). Significantly, the MAVNI program expanded the categories of persons who could lawfully enlist. Utilizing Section 504(b)(2) of the enlistment statute, the secretary of Defense determined that the enlistment of certain high quality legal immigrants without green cards was “vital to the national interest” and authorized the military branches to commence the MAVNI pilot program. The MAVNI program sought to recruit health care professionals and persons who spoke strategic languages."

:YAWN: Nothing there does anything more than what I have already shown regarding MAVNI. DACA members can sign up for military service, yet they haven't even been allowed to basic training as yet, they have 2 years from the time they sign the documents to get into basic training, with all the background checks that were put in place by both Obama and Trump, their 2 year window to actually get in is closing quickly, and if DACA is no longer authorized then they won't be going in at all.

 

[WEATHER53]

Same way as one who didn't

 

[Marion Morrison]

How do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military.
The vast majority of Dreamers have proven to be more productive member of the US than most citizens. There needs to be a way to keep them in the US.
But for those who disagree how do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military

Accommodations must be made.

I am certain they will be.

 

[skews13]

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How do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military.
The vast majority of Dreamers have proven to be more productive member of the US than most citizens. There needs to be a way to keep them in the US.
But for those who disagree how do you deport a Dreamer who served in the military

One at a time.

If you don't like it tell you congrisscritters to get off their collective asses and fix it like they should have done decades ago.


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They will. They want to get reelected. Unlike Trump.

Who got 29% of the Latino vote.

Which he won't be getting in 2020.

Or the 8 million Obama crossover voters.

Or the voters that have already admitted the mistake of voting for him the first time.

Which makes you wonder which Republican will be running against the Democrat in 2020.

 

[Auld Phart]

Being in the service is a perfect time to work on citizenship.

Plenty of time to study, lots of people to help.

They can not work on citizenship, DACA doesn't grant them any legality, they are still illegal immigrants with simple work authorization until their deportation proceedings are called up. If their work authorization ends while in the military they are simply discharged.

Do you have a link backing that claim?

Backing what claim? That DACA doesn't grant any legal status?

What Is DACA

On June 15, 2012, the Secretary of Homeland Security announced that certain people who came to the United States as children and meet several guidelines may request consideration of deferred action for a period of two years, subject to renewal. They are also eligible for work authorization. Deferred action is a use of prosecutorial discretion to defer removal action against an individual for a certain period of time. Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)

This is basic knowledge. :SHRUG:

The entire post.

Common knowledge?

Allow DREAMers to serve in the military

"On November 25, 2008, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates signed a memorandum authorizing the Secretaries of the Army, Navy, and Air Force to implement a new non-citizen recruiting pilot program for the United States Armed Services titled “Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest” (MAVNI). Significantly, the MAVNI program expanded the categories of persons who could lawfully enlist. Utilizing Section 504(b)(2) of the enlistment statute, the secretary of Defense determined that the enlistment of certain high quality legal immigrants without green cards was “vital to the national interest” and authorized the military branches to commence the MAVNI pilot program. The MAVNI program sought to recruit health care professionals and persons who spoke strategic languages."

:YAWN: Nothing there does anything more than what I have already shown regarding MAVNI. DACA members can sign up for military service, yet they haven't even been allowed to basic training as yet, they have 2 years from the time they sign the documents to get into basic training, with all the background checks that were put in place by both Obama and Trump, their 2 year window to actually get in is closing quickly, and if DACA is no longer authorized then they won't be going in at all.

Obviously know less than you think you do.

No sense following this thread any longer.

 

[tycho1572]

How does someone illegally in our country join the military?

All they have been able to do so far is sign up, they can't make it to basic training as they can't pass the back ground checks put in place by Obama and Trump. SO they technically haven't served or joined.

I wouldn't underestimate the importance of their contributions....

 

[Liquid Reigns]

How does someone illegally in our country join the military?

All they have been able to do so far is sign up, they can't make it to basic training as they can't pass the back ground checks put in place by Obama and Trump. SO they technically haven't served or joined.

I wouldn't underestimate the importance of their contributions....

He was a civilian interpreter in a war zone, MAVNI DACA recipients can not be placed outside the US as they are not legally residing nor are they citizens of the US in our military. SOFA agreements restrict such actions.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

These DACAns are in the military. They own businesses. They own homes. They have families. They have lived here decades. In all that time they never once showed any indication that they wanted to be a citizen. The nation exists to give them and serve them.

Pack these fukkers up, give them a bottle of water and send them on their way back to wherever they came from. They had their chance. For years. Time's up.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Do you always stratify how "special" a veteran's role is in the military?

As a veteran myself, I do. They have no recourse for legality in any way, they are still illegals. Just because very few of them may have served (under 20 out of 800,000) in a very low capacity (interpreter) doesn't grant them any special privilege.

"A very low capacity"? Whoa! Look at you all high and mighty!

Do you think a low grade level interpreter sitting at a desk is an extremely important role?

Let me guess what they are interpreting... umm, Spanish for the other illegals?

Actually most haven't even gotten to basic training yet and their window is closing. They have 2 years after signing up for the program to make it to basic, they keep getting pushed back due to background checks stemming from both Obama and Trump. The likeliness of them actually getting into the military is extremely low to not.

So you pretty much C4'd the democrat talking point about the poor DACA military people.

 

[tycho1572]

 

[Liquid Reigns]

These DACAns are in the military. They own businesses. They own homes. They have families. They have lived here decades. In all that time they never once showed any indication that they wanted to be a citizen. The nation exists to give them and serve them.

Pack these fukkers up, give them a bottle of water and send them on their way back to wherever they came from. They had their chance. For years. Time's up.

DACA recipients are very few in the military, which only the Army accepts them, no other branch. Many have signed up and enlisted yet they can't get a basic training date because they can't get through the stringent background checks put in place by Obama last fall and Trump this Spring.