How Evil is Libertarianism anyway?

What the fuck are you whimpering about?

What violence has been directed at business owners?

The violence you advocate:

"No violence unless you create a dangerous scene

Otherwise, your business is just shut down [with violence, presumably?] until you can follow the rules"
Show me the violence directed at business owners
The violence you described:

"No violence unless you create a dangerous scene"

"Otherwise, your business is just shut down until you can follow the rules"
Your business breaks the law ...you are fined
Don't pay the fine and you will be shut down

You have access to the courts, if you become violent when you are shut down, you get arrested

See how easy it is?
 
Dumbest solution I have ever heard

The real problem is that conservatives do not want the transgendered to use either bathroom. They would just as soon beat the shit out of them

We're talking about libertarianism not conservatism, so who cares what conservatives want?

And what is dumb about allowing the owner of something to determine how that thing is used?

I live in North Carolina. That's exactly what that law does, it prevents local governments from forcing businesses to say how customers use their private bathrooms. It doesn't force them to not allow transgender access to the bathroom of their choice, it stops local governments from forcing local businesses how to provide access to the bathrooms. It's a correct law regardless of whether you think they should do
You're close to losing next year's NBA All-Star game.

Since you profess people doing what they want, I'm sure you have no objections to all the corporate and individual boycotts of your state, right?
 
Your business breaks the law ...you are fined
Don't pay the fine and you will be shut down

You have access to the courts, if you become violent when you are shut down, you get arrested

See how easy it is?
You authoritarians are super big on subjugating people with violence and making them do you bidding.

LIbertarians consider violence justified only when/until a person trespasses against someone's person or property.

On the other hand, authoritarians, like yourself, consider violence justified pretty much whenever it suits your needs.

That's the difference between a libertarian and an authoritarian like yourself.
 
Keep in mind that Jim Crow was government, the opposite of libertarian
Government is 'the people'.

Amazing how libertarians can't seem to understand this simple truth.

Government is "the people".

I'm one of "the people."

Why didn't my kid's government school let me in to walk around?

Why didn't my local police department let me in to hang around?

Why can't I get one of those fancy police cars I see on my local highway?
 
Charles W. Cooke, author of The Conservatarian Manifesto is on Real Time with Bill Maher right now - just started.
 
Keep in mind that Jim Crow was government, the opposite of libertarian
Government is 'the people'.

Amazing how libertarians can't seem to understand this simple truth.

That's the core of the disagreement, to be sure. The founding documents are subtle, but they are clear. The government is of the people, by the people, and for the people - but it is not identical with the people. It can, in fact, act against the people's interest, and will almost always act against the interests of some of the people.

What's amazing is how modern liberals have twisted the spirit of "We the People' into a justification for authoritarian government, when it was coined with the opposite intent. The phrase is actually a recognition that government should be subservient to the people, and not the other way around.
 
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I have long been acquainted with Libertarians and used to find them kind of adorable in a yapping lapdog kind of way, bitching about the Federal governments over reach, the rise in taxes and why doesnt the GOP have more Libertarians in it?

Well now we have a blend of conservative and Libertarian that many people confuse with 'true' conservatism, but it is NOT conservatism. It is the putrid purge from the mind of an evil avowed atheist escapee from the Soviet Union who had no use for love or charity or God. All Ayn Rand wanted was for people to hate the government and be willing to kill each other to keep their toys. The deepest thought she produced was a complex system of excuses to let your neighbor starve in the street as was common in many parts of the Soviet Union of her time.

William F Buckley Jr and Whitaker Chambers both exposed Rand for the loveless bitch she was deep in her soul. Both observed that 'Atlas Shrugged' was a fantasy shpeel of a world devoid of God, Christian mercy and charity and any semblance of community. They were quite right to denounce her work, her novels and her values system as alien to the body of Conservative American thought.

But fast forward to today's corporate America and we find Rand rehabilitated and flourishing under the guise of conservatism again, a.k.a. 'Conservatarians' and it is rotting Conservatism from the inside, like a cancer.

The take over of the Conservative movement by 'Conservatarians' or Rand Objectivists is a real disaster for the Conservative movement as we enter a new Digital Age in which jobs will be scarce and the party that offers to help other Americans through their adjustment to it will be the majority party for the distant future. Conservatarians cant even put the words together about how to care for other Americans, because deep in their hearts they truly just dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and maybe a few friends.

Which means that either Conservatism will shed itself of these useless evil parasites that are a pimple on Conservatism's ass or the Conservative movement will die the well deserved death of wicked heresies.
The funny thing is - the U.S.S.R. that Ayn Rand escaped from collapsed under the exact same stupidity that you support and desire to bring to the U.S. That is a special kind of stupid.
What specific liberal policies do you fear?
Anything that takes a dollar out of his pocket, for whatever reason.
 
Charles W. Cooke, author of The Conservatarian Manifesto is on Real Time with Bill Maher right now - just started.
Are you confusion conservatism with libertarianism?
No.

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Do you seriously think that if McDonalds instituted colored bathrooms that they would continue to be in business?
No, but Bubba's Shrimp Shack in Greenville, Mississippi could.
And they'd be driven out of business.
Ha! You've obviously never been to Greenville, Mississippi.

Quick story: In the early 1980s I was in one of the top 3 rock show bands in the Southeast U.S. Seven piece band/5 man road crew. We took a gig in Greensville at the Ramada Inn - live entertainment was kinda sparse in this area (surrounded by dry counties), and this was a large club that really packed them in.

We had a Black lead singer, very charismatic, very much a showman, very much a Black David Lee Roth. He was informed that he was allowed to perform (thanks!), but on breaks he was not allowed to come off the stage and mingle. He must stay backstage or go back to his room. This was in 1980/81.

A segregationist policy in that state would be welcomed again by a very large margin.
 
I have long been acquainted with Libertarians and used to find them kind of adorable in a yapping lapdog kind of way, bitching about the Federal governments over reach, the rise in taxes and why doesnt the GOP have more Libertarians in it?

Well now we have a blend of conservative and Libertarian that many people confuse with 'true' conservatism, but it is NOT conservatism. It is the putrid purge from the mind of an evil avowed atheist escapee from the Soviet Union who had no use for love or charity or God. All Ayn Rand wanted was for people to hate the government and be willing to kill each other to keep their toys. The deepest thought she produced was a complex system of excuses to let your neighbor starve in the street as was common in many parts of the Soviet Union of her time.

William F Buckley Jr and Whitaker Chambers both exposed Rand for the loveless bitch she was deep in her soul. Both observed that 'Atlas Shrugged' was a fantasy shpeel of a world devoid of God, Christian mercy and charity and any semblance of community. They were quite right to denounce her work, her novels and her values system as alien to the body of Conservative American thought.

But fast forward to today's corporate America and we find Rand rehabilitated and flourishing under the guise of conservatism again, a.k.a. 'Conservatarians' and it is rotting Conservatism from the inside, like a cancer.

The take over of the Conservative movement by 'Conservatarians' or Rand Objectivists is a real disaster for the Conservative movement as we enter a new Digital Age in which jobs will be scarce and the party that offers to help other Americans through their adjustment to it will be the majority party for the distant future. Conservatarians cant even put the words together about how to care for other Americans, because deep in their hearts they truly just dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and maybe a few friends.

Which means that either Conservatism will shed itself of these useless evil parasites that are a pimple on Conservatism's ass or the Conservative movement will die the well deserved death of wicked heresies.
I hope everybody realizes that in all the words used here the only thing that OP really did was name call. He doesn't bring up any actual points that he thinks are evil, any sort of example based argument where Libertarianism, as an ideology, has failed in the past, or any sort of reason or fact-based finds at all.

At least he is doing name-calling in the right place...on a forum on the internet. So there is that.
 
Exactly......

We don't serve colored here is a libertarian utopia

It's actually not. In fact, every libertarian I know finds the idea reprehensible.

However, unlike authoritarians, a libertarian doesn't use force to make people act the way he wishes. To a libertarian, force is always unjustified unless/until someone trespasses against someone's person or property.

Libertarian....none of my business if you don't want to serve negroes

Wrong again. It's not government's business if you don't want to serve, regardless of your reasons.

If you want to run your business in our society, you have to follow our rules

It applies to building codes, labor regulations, hours you are allowed to operate and who you are required to serve
Sorry chief - the Constitution says otherwise. My private business on my private property allows me to choose who I enter into business deals with and who I don't.

I know you wingnut liberals still desire slavery but it was outlawed over 150 years ago. Get over it.
 
I think of it like utopian socialism; not really evil so much as naive and impracticable. Because both overestimate the benevolence of human nature.
 
I have long been acquainted with Libertarians and used to find them kind of adorable in a yapping lapdog kind of way, bitching about the Federal governments over reach, the rise in taxes and why doesnt the GOP have more Libertarians in it?

Well now we have a blend of conservative and Libertarian that many people confuse with 'true' conservatism, but it is NOT conservatism. It is the putrid purge from the mind of an evil avowed atheist escapee from the Soviet Union who had no use for love or charity or God. All Ayn Rand wanted was for people to hate the government and be willing to kill each other to keep their toys. The deepest thought she produced was a complex system of excuses to let your neighbor starve in the street as was common in many parts of the Soviet Union of her time.

William F Buckley Jr and Whitaker Chambers both exposed Rand for the loveless bitch she was deep in her soul. Both observed that 'Atlas Shrugged' was a fantasy shpeel of a world devoid of God, Christian mercy and charity and any semblance of community. They were quite right to denounce her work, her novels and her values system as alien to the body of Conservative American thought.

But fast forward to today's corporate America and we find Rand rehabilitated and flourishing under the guise of conservatism again, a.k.a. 'Conservatarians' and it is rotting Conservatism from the inside, like a cancer.

The take over of the Conservative movement by 'Conservatarians' or Rand Objectivists is a real disaster for the Conservative movement as we enter a new Digital Age in which jobs will be scarce and the party that offers to help other Americans through their adjustment to it will be the majority party for the distant future. Conservatarians cant even put the words together about how to care for other Americans, because deep in their hearts they truly just dont give a shit about anyone but themselves and maybe a few friends.

Which means that either Conservatism will shed itself of these useless evil parasites that are a pimple on Conservatism's ass or the Conservative movement will die the well deserved death of wicked heresies.
Libertarianism is not at all practical on an administrative level. It's simply an emotional, self-serving ideology. It that has no place in government capacity.

Really? Why not? You freedom hating douche bags keep saying stuff like this, but you never prove it.
 
I think of it like utopian socialism; not really evil so much as naive and impracticable. Because both overestimate the benevolence of human nature.
Libertarians have no illusions about human nature. If you think humans are intrinsically evil, then why would you want to create an all powerful monopoly called government and stuff it full of these creatures? If that isn't the height of naivete, I don't know what the term means.
 
If you want to run your business in our society, you have to follow our rules

It applies to building codes, labor regulations, hours you are allowed to operate and who you are required to serve

Yes, the proclivity for authoritarians to use violence to enforce their rules on their fellow man is well established.

To an authoritarian, violence is always the answer.
No violence unless you create a dangerous scene

Otherwise, your business is just shut down until you can follow the rules
Coming from a person who not only never ran a business, but has never even worked for one.

It's comical sitting here listening to you pretend like you're in charge.
 

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