Iraq is imploding. Should we lend air support or wash our hands?

[Zander]

Did you hear the one about the brainwashed Allah-monkeys that got in a fight over minor differences in their interpretation of a silly book? .....they killed each other for 1300 years! Yeah, it's hilarious!!



seriously, Arm the Kurds to the teeth. They deserve their own nation. Then let the Shia and Sunni nutjobs continue to kill each other...just like they've been doing for the last 1300 years....

 

[Siete]

fuck em. let em fall

indeed.


Iraq screams help, we help. The next time they scream help we help. Its an endless cycle. Take the training wheels off and ride the bike or fall down. It's that simple

 

[paulitician]

Please tell me these aren't the same Terrorists our Government is funding & arming in Syria. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me though. But does anyone know of this group is connected to Rebel Groups in Syria? Just curious.

 

[Kondor3]

Did you hear the one about the brainwashed Allah-monkeys that got in a fight over minor differences in their interpretation of a silly book? .....they killed each other for 1300 years! Yeah, it's hilarious!!

seriously, Arm the Kurds to the teeth. They deserve their own nation. Then let the Shia and Sunni nutjobs continue to kill each other...just like they've been doing for the last 1300 years....

Agreed.

Let 'em slaughter each other.

It's their favorite pastime.

But draw the line at Turkey...

They are our friends, and as much European as Middle-Eastern, and sane, and deserving of our full and utmost support.

But, Iraq and Syria?

I say we walk away, and devil take the consequences.

But that is war-weariness and a total lack of confidence in the Obama Administration (in this context) talking, and I understand that there is an equally compelling counterargument for this.

 

[regent]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

We broke it. Thank you President Bush.

Hey, we should send Dubya and Cheney over there to run the place.

6 years current leader has been in place 6 years,when will you people hold him accountable for his time also.

Whats really pathetic,is just a short time ago,Obama had ended the Iraq war ,had the bad guys on the ropes and all was well according to the propaganda machine,now its not,but its still Bush,you people are a sad excuse for humans.

But how do we convince people that it was Obama that invaded Iraq? That's a pretty tough sell seeing that many today were alive when Bush invaded Iraq. Some might even remember Bush landing on that carrier deck and the sign, Mission Accomplished. Add to that the authorization Congress gave to Bush to invade Iraq, if the president thought it necessary. It would be great if when a new president is elected all the past is wiped out and everything starts again like a board game.

 

[Siete]

We broke it. Thank you President Bush.

Hey, we should send Dubya and Cheney over there to run the place.

6 years current leader has been in place 6 years,when will you people hold him accountable for his time also.

Whats really pathetic,is just a short time ago,Obama had ended the Iraq war ,had the bad guys on the ropes and all was well according to the propaganda machine,now its not,but its still Bush,you people are a sad excuse for humans.

But how do we convince people that it was Obama that invaded Iraq? That's a pretty tough sell seeing that many today were alive when Bush invaded Iraq. Some might even remember Bush landing on that carrier deck and the sign, Mission Accomplished. Add to that the authorization Congress gave to Bush to invade Iraq, if the president thought it necessary. It would be great if when a new president is elected all the past is wiped out and everything starts again like a board game.

the idiots are already convinced, working on everyone else that isn't a republican will be difficult.

 

[TooTall]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

Maybe the Democrat's will be interested in doing something when the price
of oil goes to $125.00 per barrel.

As for the Iraqi's...They were given freedom and now they need to fight for their
country.

That is exactly what Obama wants to happen. At least $125 or higher and he can push his green agenda.

 

[Steinlight]

We broke it. Thank you President Bush.

Hey, we should send Dubya and Cheney over there to run the place.

6 years current leader has been in place 6 years,when will you people hold him accountable for his time also.

Whats really pathetic,is just a short time ago,Obama had ended the Iraq war ,had the bad guys on the ropes and all was well according to the propaganda machine,now its not,but its still Bush,you people are a sad excuse for humans.

But how do we convince people that it was Obama that invaded Iraq? That's a pretty tough sell seeing that many today were alive when Bush invaded Iraq. Some might even remember Bush landing on that carrier deck and the sign, Mission Accomplished. Add to that the authorization Congress gave to Bush to invade Iraq, if the president thought it necessary. It would be great if when a new president is elected all the past is wiped out and everything starts again like a board game.

Honestly, leave your pro-Obama hackery for another thread. There is no other way to spin this than Obama screwed up majorly by aiding radical islamists in Syria who are now on the verge of toppling a weak puppet Iraqi government Bush installed and we spent thousands of lives and over a trillion dollars installing(not even counting the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. Obama and Bush are two sides of the same failed interventionist foreign policy coin.

Lets try to keep this thread clean of how of Team Democrat Team Republican feuds. It is the lowest common denominator of political conversation.


As for more news...

Apparently, Iraq hasn't asked for US troops or any specific aid according to their officials, but have said they wouldn't be opposed to the US using drone strikes against millitants.

And it looks as though there is good news. The government has taken back Tikrit.
Obama: Iraq needs help as ISIS threatens to seize more cities - CNN.com

 

[Steinlight]

Kurds have taken Kirkuk from Islamists. The situation seems to be changing by the second.

Iraq disintegrating as insurgents advance; Kurds seize Kirkuk - The Washington Post

 

[georgephillip]

Why not reject every Republican AND Democrat running for reelection next November on the basis of their support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq? Many ballots already offer third party congressional candidates. Choose from Green, Libertarian or whatever BUT reject both wings of the Wall Street/War Party.

 

[paulitician]

6 years current leader has been in place 6 years,when will you people hold him accountable for his time also.

Whats really pathetic,is just a short time ago,Obama had ended the Iraq war ,had the bad guys on the ropes and all was well according to the propaganda machine,now its not,but its still Bush,you people are a sad excuse for humans.

But how do we convince people that it was Obama that invaded Iraq? That's a pretty tough sell seeing that many today were alive when Bush invaded Iraq. Some might even remember Bush landing on that carrier deck and the sign, Mission Accomplished. Add to that the authorization Congress gave to Bush to invade Iraq, if the president thought it necessary. It would be great if when a new president is elected all the past is wiped out and everything starts again like a board game.

Honestly, leave your pro-Obama hackery for another thread. There is no other way to spin this than Obama screwed up majorly by aiding radical islamists in Syria who are now on the verge of toppling a weak puppet Iraqi government Bush installed and we spent thousands of lives and over a trillion dollars installing(not even counting the hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis. Obama and Bush are two sides of the same failed interventionist foreign policy coin.

Lets try to keep this thread clean of how of Team Democrat Team Republican feuds. It is the lowest common denominator of political conversation.


As for more news...

Apparently, Iraq hasn't asked for US troops or any specific aid according to their officials, but have said they wouldn't be opposed to the US using drone strikes against millitants.

And it looks as though there is good news. The government has taken back Tikrit.
Obama: Iraq needs help as ISIS threatens to seize more cities - CNN.com

Looks like you're right. I'm hearing the groups are connected. Our Government should not have funded & armed Al Qaeda-linked Rebels in Syria. This is the Blow Back on that. It's very sad.

 

[Kondor3]

Only a strongman can hold together what should never have been in the first place.

Perhaps.

Which is why it should be allowed to collapse, and give rise to something different.

So long as that 'something different' does not present an even greater threat to us.

Which is, of course, the flip side of the coin (argument) - even though I'm war-weary enough and lack enough confidence in this Administration to care, or to think that anything good can be done to salvage this looming train-wreck.

 

[TooTall]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

If Bush and CHeney had actually listened to those generals they were so fond of referring to, they would have been told just that.

If Obama had listened to those Generals this could have been prevented. A small special ops force to continue training the Iraqi Army and provide intel to them.

I can hear Joe Biden now when Obama sent him to Iraq to ask for a status of forces agreement allowing that to happen. "You guys don't want the US to keep any troops in Iraq, do you?" "Didn't think so."

The US has kept a military presence in So Korea, Japan, and Germany after major wars. Why not Iraq, if for no other reason than to keep the price of oil stable?

 

[Kondor3]

The terrorists are now marching on Bagdad. The Iraq government is asking for help, should we oblige?
Seems strange to me that we would spend all the money & lives just to let it fall in a matter of weeks/months.

If Bush and CHeney had actually listened to those generals they were so fond of referring to, they would have been told just that.

If Obama had listened to those Generals this could have been prevented. A small special ops force to continue training the Iraqi Army and provide intel to them.

I can hear Joe Biden now when Obama sent him to Iraq to ask for a status of forces agreement allowing that to happen. "You guys don't want the US to keep any troops in Iraq, do you?" "Didn't think so."

The US has kept a military presence in So Korea, Japan, and Germany after major wars. Why not Iraq, if for no other reason than to keep the price of oil stable?

On the other hand, we can always just kick-down the door again, if we ever need to, so, why bother with the expense of maintaining such a force. Or so it seems, at first glance.

 

[paulitician]

Anyway, my vote is 'wash our hands.' We've spent enough blood & treasure over there.

 

[Steinlight]

Anyway, my vote is 'wash our hands.' We've spent enough blood & treasure over there.

Washing our hands, meaning you support withdrawing funds and weapons for the rebels in Syria as well? This is where the ISIS stems from. Cut off the rebels in Syria, and you cut off the head of the ISIS and end this instability.

 

[paulitician]

Anyway, my vote is 'wash our hands.' We've spent enough blood & treasure over there.

Washing our hands, meaning you support withdrawing funds and weapons for the rebels in Syria as well? This is where the ISIS stems from. Cut off the rebels in Syria, and you cut off the head of the ISIS and end this instability.

Massive Debt, too many funerals, and a more powerful Iran & Al Qaeda. That's all the American People have gotten out of this horrific Iraq debacle. It's time to cut our losses. Our intervention over there has made things much worse. It's time to move on.

 

[namvet]

even Iran is coming into the fray

"Iran is coming to the aid of its historic nemesis, sending elite fighters to Iraq in the wake of a Sunni insurgency that has claimed two key northern cities and now threatens Baghdad, Fox News has learned.

Some 150 fighters from the Revolutionary Guards elite Quds force have already been dispatched by Tehran, and the division's powerful commander, Qassem Suleimani, met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki Thursday and pledged to send two notorious Iranian brigades to aid in the defense of Baghdad. That could amount to as many as 10,000 soldiers sent to fight the Sunni group known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)."

link

 

[Bill Angel]

The Obama Shop
We should supply Iraq with drone air support, provided that they pay us for its costs in CASH.

 

[Peach]

even Iran is coming into the fray

"Iran is coming to the aid of its historic nemesis, sending elite fighters to Iraq in the wake of a Sunni insurgency that has claimed two key northern cities and now threatens Baghdad, Fox News has learned.

Some 150 fighters from the Revolutionary Guards elite Quds force have already been dispatched by Tehran, and the division's powerful commander, Qassem Suleimani, met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki Thursday and pledged to send two notorious Iranian brigades to aid in the defense of Baghdad. That could amount to as many as 10,000 soldiers sent to fight the Sunni group known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)."

link

And Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. McCain says act, Boehner says we should have acted sooner. A few tea party aligned say STAY OUT. Catch-22.

Obama says Iraq going to need more help - CNN.com