Islam forbids

[mudwhistle]

Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide scripture to proves unequivocally non muslims are innocent
Shirk is worse than Killing



Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:

(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr,`Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

2:191.
And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[] is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah),[] unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2:192.
But if they cease, then Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2:193.
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone).[] But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)
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2:194.
The sacred month is for the sacred month, and for the prohibited things, there is the Law of Equality (Qisâs). Then whoever transgresses the prohibition against you, you transgress likewise against him. And fear Allâh, and know that Allâh is with Al-Muttaqûn (the pious - see V.2:2).
2:195.
And spend in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd of all kinds, etc.) and do not throw yourselves into destruction (by not spending your wealth in the Cause of Allâh), and do good. Truly, Allâh loves Al-Muhsinûn[](the good-doers).

I guess in American slang this means...."Paybacks are a motherfucker"

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

 

[GEORGE ORWELL]

GANG RAPES IN THE KORAN. Rapes of a variety of types are mentioned in the Bible. One big gang rape one can think of is when Moses and his friends are ordered by Jehovah God, the Jewish God, to gang rape 32,000 virgins, evidently, most of them being babies. One must read the whole Chapter 31 of Numbers to get the story. This certainly must be the largest gang rape ever recorded in history. It is significant that nowhere in the New Testament is this condemned. This leads one to ask the question: What about the Koran? Are gang rapes mentioned there, and how is it treated?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

 

[MajikMyst]

Last time we had a picnic for all of the muslim familys at the mosque.

A couple of the women had baked apple pies for dessert after lunch.

Later in the afternoon, we played a game of baseball.

Apple pie and baseball

Can get more American than that!!!

Insufficient proof non muslims are innocent according to Islamic scripture.

See there is your flaw.. Islamic scripture is not the deciding factor in innocense and neither is the bible or any other religious book..

If you want to live your life by islamic law, that is your choice.. But you can't hold others who do not share your beliefs to islamic laws..

Christians have the same problem.. Nobody can be held to christian law either..

If you choose to be christians then you choose to live by it's laws.. If you choose to be islamic, then live by it's laws.. In either case, you made the choice and you have to let others make that same choice.. Even if it is to not live by either law..

So, You don't need any proof.. You need to accept the truth.. Religion is a choice..

What is sad is that neither religion gives that choice to their own children.. They are all indoctrinated into believing a religion against their will.. And hence will never be a true christian, or part of islam.. Only those that come of their own free will and seek whatever truth you offer is the true believer and a true member of your religion..

Indoctrinating children is what cults do.. Is Islam and Christianity a cult?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Last time we had a picnic for all of the muslim familys at the mosque.

A couple of the women had baked apple pies for dessert after lunch.

Later in the afternoon, we played a game of baseball.

Apple pie and baseball

Can get more American than that!!!

Insufficient proof non muslims are innocent according to Islamic scripture.

See there is your flaw.. Islamic scripture is not the deciding factor in innocense and neither is the bible or any other religious book..

If you want to live your life by islamic law, that is your choice.. But you can't hold others who do not share your beliefs to islamic laws..

Christians have the same problem.. Nobody can be held to christian law either..

If you choose to be christians then you choose to live by it's laws.. If you choose to be islamic, then live by it's laws.. In either case, you made the choice and you have to let others make that same choice.. Even if it is to not live by either law..

So, You don't need any proof.. You need to accept the truth.. Religion is a choice..

What is sad is that neither religion gives that choice to their own children.. They are all indoctrinated into believing a religion against their will.. And hence will never be a true christian, or part of islam.. Only those that come of their own free will and seek whatever truth you offer is the true believer and a true member of your religion..

Indoctrinating children is what cults do.. Is Islam and Christianity a cult?

Islam Question and Answer - Judging by that which Allaah has revealed
Islam Question and Answer - Should he turn to the human rights organizations to get his rights?
Islam Question and Answer - The kufr of one who rules according to other than what Allaah revealed

Allaah has commanded us to refer matters to His judgement and to establish Sharee‘ah, and He has forbidden us to rule with anything else, as is clear from a number of aayaat in the Qur’aan, such as the aayaat in Soorat al-Maa’idah (5) which discuss ruling according to what Allaah has revealed, and mention the following topics:

The command to rule according to what Allaah has revealed: “And so judge between them by what Allaah has revealed . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against ruling by other than what Allaah has revealed: “. . . and follow not their vain desires . . .” [aayah 49]

Warning against compromising on any detail of Sharee‘ah, no matter how small: “. . . but beware of them lest they turn you far away from some of that which Allaah has sent down to you . . .” [aayah 49]

Forbidding seeking the ruling of jaahiliyyah, as is expressed in the rhetorical question “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance?” [aayah 50]

The statement that nobody is better than Allaah to judge: “. . . and who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [aayah 50]

The statement that whoever does not judge according to what Allaah revealed is a kaafir, a zaalim (oppressor or wrongdoer) and a faasiq (sinner), as Allaah says: “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [aayah 44]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by that which Allaah has revealed, such are the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers)” [aayah 45]; “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed (then) such (people) are the faasiqoon (rebellious or disobedient).” [aayah 47].

The statement that it is obligatory for the Muslims to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, even if those who seek their judgement are not Muslim, as Allaah says: “. . . And if you judge, judge with justice between them. . .” [aayah 42]

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Last time we had a picnic for all of the muslim familys at the mosque.

A couple of the women had baked apple pies for dessert after lunch.

Later in the afternoon, we played a game of baseball.

Apple pie and baseball

Can get more American than that!!!

Insufficient proof non muslims are innocent according to Islamic scripture.

See there is your flaw.. Islamic scripture is not the deciding factor in innocense and neither is the bible or any other religious book..

If you want to live your life by islamic law, that is your choice.. But you can't hold others who do not share your beliefs to islamic laws..

Christians have the same problem.. Nobody can be held to christian law either..

If you choose to be christians then you choose to live by it's laws.. If you choose to be islamic, then live by it's laws.. In either case, you made the choice and you have to let others make that same choice.. Even if it is to not live by either law..

So, You don't need any proof.. You need to accept the truth.. Religion is a choice..

What is sad is that neither religion gives that choice to their own children.. They are all indoctrinated into believing a religion against their will.. And hence will never be a true christian, or part of islam.. Only those that come of their own free will and seek whatever truth you offer is the true believer and a true member of your religion..

Indoctrinating children is what cults do.. Is Islam and Christianity a cult?

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He did not say,“if they pay the jizyah”. The Jews, Christians and Magians are to be asked to enter Islam; if they refuse then they should be asked to pay the jizyah. If they refuse to pay the jizyah then the Muslims must fight them if they are able to do so. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allaah,(2) nor in the Last Day,(3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad),(4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”

[al-Tawbah 9:29]

And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted the jizyah from the Magians, but it was not proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) accepted the jizyah from anyone except the three groups mentioned above.

The basic principle concerning that is the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]”

[al-Anfaal 8:39]

“Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Tawbah 9:5]

This verse is known as Ayat al-Sayf (the verse of the sword).

These and similar verses abrogate the verses which say that there is no compulsion to become Muslim.

And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat li’l-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 6/219


Islam Question and Answer - There is no compulsion to accept Islam

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Last time we had a picnic for all of the muslim familys at the mosque.

A couple of the women had baked apple pies for dessert after lunch.

Later in the afternoon, we played a game of baseball.

Apple pie and baseball

Can get more American than that!!!

Insufficient proof non muslims are innocent according to Islamic scripture.

See there is your flaw.. Islamic scripture is not the deciding factor in innocense and neither is the bible or any other religious book..

If you want to live your life by islamic law, that is your choice.. But you can't hold others who do not share your beliefs to islamic laws..

Christians have the same problem.. Nobody can be held to christian law either..

If you choose to be christians then you choose to live by it's laws.. If you choose to be islamic, then live by it's laws.. In either case, you made the choice and you have to let others make that same choice.. Even if it is to not live by either law..

So, You don't need any proof.. You need to accept the truth.. Religion is a choice..

What is sad is that neither religion gives that choice to their own children.. They are all indoctrinated into believing a religion against their will.. And hence will never be a true christian, or part of islam.. Only those that come of their own free will and seek whatever truth you offer is the true believer and a true member of your religion..

Indoctrinating children is what cults do.. Is Islam and Christianity a cult?

33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.


'Abdullah bin 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with them, reported:
Allah's Messenger said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, perform the Prayer, and pay Zakah. If they do that, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.
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Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have been commanded to fight against people until they testify that there is no god but Allah, and he who professes it is guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for a right warrant, and his affairs rest with Allah.
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[MajikMyst]

So?? Your Islamic and brain dead??

What part of 'Your scriptures mean nothing to me or anyone else that isn't islam do you not understand?'

You made 3 posts of nothing but crap..

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

So?? Your Islamic and brain dead??

What part of 'Your scriptures mean nothing to me or anyone else that isn't islam do you not understand?'

You made 3 posts of nothing but crap..

Im not a muslim , that is some the legal reasoning for Islamic jihad.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

 

[MajikMyst]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

Anyone is innocent.. Again, Islamic law doesn't mean diddly here or anywhere..

Get that through your head there moron!!

If you want to believe that nobody is innocent except muslims, then you are what is wrong with the Muslim religioin..

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

Anyone is innocent.. Again, Islamic law doesn't mean diddly here or anywhere..

Get that through your head there moron!!

If you want to believe that nobody is innocent except muslims, then you are what is wrong with the Muslim religioin..

The internet is not for you.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1944629-post1371.html

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

 

[MajikMyst]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

Prove they are not innocent in any terms??

Other than your fucked up religion...

 

[Kalam]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

Prove they are not innocent in any terms??

Other than your fucked up religion...

Mr. Fitnah isn't a Muslim.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Many muslims like to say " Islam forbids the killing of innocent people"
Please provide Islamic scripture to prove unequivocally non muslims are innocent.

Prove they are not innocent in any terms??

Other than your fucked up religion...

Mr. Fitnah isn't a Muslim.

That crazy bitch dont listen.

 

[MajikMyst]

Prove they are not innocent in any terms??

Other than your fucked up religion...

Mr. Fitnah isn't a Muslim.

That crazy bitch dont listen.

You think your the only one that can neg someone??? What a crazy bitch you are??

Did you happen to notice the little white box where my rep would be?? My rep is off moron!! So it doesn't matter what you do.. But thanks for the neg anyways!! I have returned the favor!!

And you are the idiot here.. You are asking people to prove their innocense according to your standards.. Nobody has to prove their innocense.. You must prove they are guilty..

Islam is a fucked up religion if everyone except muslims are guilty of whatever..

Everyone is innocent.. Period!!

As I said before.. Please provide proof, beside pasting more of your islamic garbage!! Provide proof that everyone is guilty except muslims??

It is you who both can't listen and can't read..

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Mr. Fitnah isn't a Muslim.

That crazy bitch dont listen.

You think your the only one that can neg someone??? What a crazy bitch you are??

Did you happen to notice the little white box where my rep would be?? My rep is off moron!! So it doesn't matter what you do.. But thanks for the neg anyways!! I have returned the favor!!

And you are the idiot here.. You are asking people to prove their innocense according to your standards.. Nobody has to prove their innocense.. You must prove they are guilty..

Islam is a fucked up religion if everyone except muslims are guilty of whatever..

Everyone is innocent.. Period!!

As I said before.. Please provide proof, beside pasting more of your islamic garbage!! Provide proof that everyone is guilty except muslims??

It is you who both can't listen and can't read..

You have read the thread.
Islamic scripture proves only muslims are innocent according to Islam .
I object to this, and I pointing out that muslims lie when they say "Islam forbids the killing of innocent people ."