Jesus the Socialist

[SassyIrishLass]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

He did everything through charity, not government.

He wasnt a government so your argument is flawed. He encouraged people to pay their taxes. Thats a left wing stance as only billionaires dodge their fair share.

I never said Jesus was "a government" so your rebuttal is flawed.

Aye, he encouraged people to pay their taxes, as do I. Paying the taxes you owe doesn't make one a socialist, so your arguement is flawed.

Believing that the Rich should pay more makes him a socialist.

Jesus never said that.

 

[theHawk]

Jesus the Socialist

Not even close.

Jesus said "If you will be perfect, go and sell what you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come and follow me."

Jesus did not say "If you will be perfect, take what your neighbor has and sell it, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven, and come and follow me."

Just a thought.

Correct, He said give to the poor, not to the government.

 

[koshergrl]

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[koshergrl]

Jesus was the ultimate rebel and revolutionary against the status quo - the poor man's prophet

Mary Magdalene wasn't poor, nor were many of his followers. XXXXXXXX

 

[Coyote]

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

 

[koshergrl]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

 

[koshergrl]

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

Well for one thing, he never advocated any form of socialism. So there's that.

The tenets that he established had exactly zero to do with government, in fact (as he pointed out in the oft-repeated, seldom understood, "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's" directive). Dishonest flamers will claim that is his assertion that we should pay the government to be kind to people, which is of course idiotic and a lie so blatant that only the simple minded and/or hyper deceitful would believe it or try to get others to believe it.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

 

[yiostheoy]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

If you study early Christianity closely you will also see that "they had all things in common".

So they were not just socialist. They were communist.

In those early days when you joined the Christian church you joined a family and you brought all your money home and spit it equally among everybody.

Most people could not deal with strict communism like this anymore.

 

[Coyote]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

I think it illustrates that the rich should give their wealth away - not specifically pay more to the government, but give it.

 

[yiostheoy]

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

Well for one thing, he never advocated any form of socialism. So there's that.

KGirl you need to study Early Christianity more closely IF you want to talk about it or else you should just stick to Judaism.

 

[yiostheoy]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

I think it illustrates that the rich should give their wealth away - not specifically pay more to the government, but give it.

Don't forget that Jesus also said "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's".

Jesus was NOT anti taxation.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

I think it illustrates that the rich should give their wealth away - not specifically pay more to the government, but give it.

I tend to agree, Jesus was big on sharing and helping others.

 

[irosie91]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

He did everything through charity, not government.

He could not do anything via government----the government was Rome

 

[irosie91]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

I think it illustrates that the rich should give their wealth away - not specifically pay more to the government, but give it.

Don't forget that Jesus also said "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's".

Jesus was NOT anti taxation.

Comment was not a directive to BE HAPPY TO PAY YOUR TAXES-----it was a fling of shit at the head of the roman king

 

[theHawk]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What does that have to do with paying more taxes?

Ahh.....absolutely nothing.

 

[koshergrl]

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

The OP is inflammatory and it's impossible to respond to it in like fashion in this forum.

It's perfectly possible to, as 20 posts here have done so.

So, if you feel he wasn't a socialist - state why and how you disagree.

Well for one thing, he never advocated any form of socialism. So there's that.

KGirl you need to study Early Christianity more closely IF you want to talk about it or else you should just stick to Judaism.

No, I'll stick to my strengths, thanks.

 

[yiostheoy]

A radical who fought for social justice.

He was on the side of the Angels on pretty much everything and his message was as clear as it gets.

Anti War - Blessed are the Peacemakers.

Healing the sick - He didnt turn away people without cover.

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. He didnt say "apart from fags".

If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. - Co-operation not competition, we work together to build a better world.

Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. - Apart from when its trannys who deserve to die !

Give to everyone who begs from you; and of him who takes away your goods do not ask them again. And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them. - Strong supporter of welfare.

All the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not covet, and so on, are summed up in this single command: You must love your neighbor as yourself. - No T and Cs on this. We are all neighbours and entitled. He doesnt exclude any group.

How have his teachings become twisted into hate by false prophets ?

How has he been appropriated by the Right ?

Dear Tommy Tainant if I hadn't answered this before
There is a DIFFERENCE between Jesus teaching
being enforced by FREE WILL through religious exercise, the church, the charities and individual FREE CHOICE
vs.
being mandated through govt which is in violation of
Constitutional laws against govt establishing religion.

People can believe in free health care by volunteering to help others through donations and charitable programs and teaching hospitals.

And that is completely separate from mandating this through govt and forced taxation.

Last I checked, Tommy Tainant, the liberals who preach "separation of church and state" did NOT want references to Christianity, crosses, God Jesus, creation, prayer or Bibles pushed through schools.
Individuals have rights to practice this but not public schools that are funded by taxpayers.

So which way do you want it?

If you want Jesus principles mandated through govt,
then you'd have to put up with religious beliefs in no sex outside of marriage, no abortions, no homosexuality etc.

Make up your mind.

Just be careful what you ask for; when you get the govt you deserve, you may not like it!

I teach separation of church and state because the last time the Catholics were in charge they gave us the Inquisition and torture. And the last time the Protestants were in charge they gave us the Salem witch trials and burnings at the stake. Do you think it is a good idea to have religion in charge of government? The Founding Freemasons did not think it was a good idea so they gave us the 1st Amendment separating church and state.

 

[theHawk]

I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

What is your point with that quote?

It illustrates that he believed the rich should pay more. Its implicit.

No, he only said that the rich should sell their things, and give the money to the poor. Again, no correlation to socialism.