Let's unpack some of the right wing's delusion and dishonesty. Is universal healthcare socialism?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

What are the tax rates in those countries? They are ridiculous and a sure sign of socialism. Did you know Sweden still has a draft for their military?

 

[Brain357]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

That's not the question, that's just demagoguery. The question is whether government should be in charge of health care.

I have not heard a better option.

It doesn't matter what you've heard. Insinuating that anyone who opposes your agenda "thinks that we shouldn't all have healthcare" is cheap BS.

Well you are wrong on healthcare. Markets don’t work in healthcare, it’s that simple.

For a simpleton, perhaps.

Oh that’s cute, don’t let facts stop your delusion. Nobody in an ambulance shops pricing. Nobody who needs brain surgery goes cheap.

 

[Blues Man]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

there's also something wrong with the government forcing people to pay for things they don't need want and will never use

Like all the increased military spending?

yup.

but then again there really is no correlation between health care and the military.

Now if everyone was mandated to buy a rifle that would be a better comparison

We all need healthcare at some point.

but we don't all need the same health care.

I don't need drug counseling but I am forced to pay for it.

I don't need pediatric or obstetric health care because I don't have kids and I'm not a woman but I have to pay for it.

And if we have a universal healthcare system it is cheaper for all.

irrelevant

And I don't think that's true at all.

 

[dblack]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

That's not the question, that's just demagoguery. The question is whether government should be in charge of health care.

I have not heard a better option.

It doesn't matter what you've heard. Insinuating that anyone who opposes your agenda "thinks that we shouldn't all have healthcare" is cheap BS.

Well you are wrong on healthcare. Markets don’t work in healthcare, it’s that simple.

For a simpleton, perhaps.

Oh that’s cute, don’t let facts stop your delusion. Nobody in an ambulance shops pricing. Nobody who needs brain surgery goes cheap.

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

 

[Brain357]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

there's also something wrong with the government forcing people to pay for things they don't need want and will never use

Like all the increased military spending?

yup.

but then again there really is no correlation between health care and the military.

Now if everyone was mandated to buy a rifle that would be a better comparison

We all need healthcare at some point.

but we don't all need the same health care.

I don't need drug counseling but I am forced to pay for it.

I don't need pediatric or obstetric health care because I don't have kids and I'm not a woman but I have to pay for it.

And if we have a universal healthcare system it is cheaper for all.

irrelevant

And I don't think that's true at all.

Our current system is by far the most expensive. That’s a well known fact,

 

[jbrownson0831]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Healthcare is an individual choice that you select and pay for yourself.

 

[Brain357]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

That's not the question, that's just demagoguery. The question is whether government should be in charge of health care.

I have not heard a better option.

It doesn't matter what you've heard. Insinuating that anyone who opposes your agenda "thinks that we shouldn't all have healthcare" is cheap BS.

Well you are wrong on healthcare. Markets don’t work in healthcare, it’s that simple.

For a simpleton, perhaps.

Oh that’s cute, don’t let facts stop your delusion. Nobody in an ambulance shops pricing. Nobody who needs brain surgery goes cheap.

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

And you are wrong. We should have affordable healthcare for all. Many countries are doing just that and it works fine.

 

[Brain357]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

Healthcare is an individual choice that you select and pay for yourself.

Or you don’t pay for it then get sick and go bankrupt and everyone else pays for it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So don't get distracted by the red herrings and the foaming at the mouth. Just point out they have no solution and thus UHC is coming their way whether they like it or not.

I've been poking the pseudocons for a very long time to wake the fuck up and start holding the hucksters like Trump and McConnell accountable.

To no avail. They BEG to be lied to.

They don't care because they don't want a solution. The weak and needy can die in their view.

Who is weak and needy? I'll tell you who is not. Those who did not take advantage of their educational opportunities, have no work ethic, and continue to work minimum wage while trying to raise children. They are where their own mistakes led them.

 

[g5000]

You'll often see conservatives argue that any social program is socialism and then in the next breath they'll say the Scandinavian countries are capitalist and not socialist when people point to how well they do over there. Well they have universal healthcare and very expansive social safety nets. Are those things socialism or not in your world view? You hypocrites can't have your cake and eat it too. Either the Scandinavian countries are socialist in your view or things like universal healthcare are not actually socialism. There are no Democrats arguing for the government to completely take over the private sector. They want universal healthcare and government funded universities like in the Scandinavian nations. At least get your shit straight and make a consistent argument.

I have no problem saying socialized medicine is socialist and so are the Scandanavian countries.

What now?

What are the tax rates in those countries? They are ridiculous and a sure sign of socialism. Did you know Sweden still has a draft for their military?

As I said very clearly and plainly at the beginning, socialized medicine is socialism and Scandanavia is socialist.

This in no way excuses Trump and the GOP for not producing a replacement for Obamacare. Their laziness and failure is the reason UHC is inevitable here.

 

[dblack]

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

And you are wrong. We should have affordable healthcare for all.

You're doing it again. I didn't say we shouldn't have affordable healthcare for all. If you can't debate honestly, go fuck yourself. With a pitchfork.

 

[Thinker101]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

No kidding, someone is saying we shouldn't have healthcare? Sounds like they're saying we shouldn't have "free" healthcare. Similarly, if you want "free" food, get in the soup line.

Let me know when the cost of food drastically increases like healthcare.

If minimum wage goes to $15/hour that high cost is right around the corner.

 

[g5000]

Underneath all the noise is the simple fact that Trump lied and the GOP lied when they said they had a replacement for Obamacare.

All the bitching and whining in the world about "socialism" will not obscure that very real fact. Trump and the GOP lied.

And that is why we are going to have UHC in our lifetimes.

Thanks a lot, assholes.

 

[Brain357]

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

And you are wrong. We should have affordable healthcare for all.

You're doing it again. I didn't say we shouldn't have affordable healthcare for all. If you can't debate honestly, go fuck yourself. With a pitchfork.

It’s the only way. You are kidding yourself if you think there will be some better option.

 

[Brain357]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

No kidding, someone is saying we shouldn't have healthcare? Sounds like they're saying we shouldn't have "free" healthcare. Similarly, if you want "free" food, get in the soup line.

Let me know when the cost of food drastically increases like healthcare.

If minimum wage goes to $15/hour that high cost is right around the corner.

It has in many places and they seem to still be eating.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Underneath all the noise is the simple fact that Trump lied and the GOP lied when they said they had a replacement for Obamacare.

All the bitching in the world about "socialism" will not obscure that very real fact.

And that is why we are going to have UHC in our lifetimes.

Thanks a lot, assholes.

Waaah waah waah Obammycare got healthcare welfare for a few at increased cost to the rest of us....just like every other liberal program ever created. It doesnt need a replacement it needs an elimination.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare. Our current system is a super expensive mess.

That's not the question, that's just demagoguery. The question is whether government should be in charge of health care.

I have not heard a better option.

It doesn't matter what you've heard. Insinuating that anyone who opposes your agenda "thinks that we shouldn't all have healthcare" is cheap BS.

Well you are wrong on healthcare. Markets don’t work in healthcare, it’s that simple.

For a simpleton, perhaps.

Oh that’s cute, don’t let facts stop your delusion. Nobody in an ambulance shops pricing. Nobody who needs brain surgery goes cheap.

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

And you are wrong. We should have affordable healthcare for all. Many countries are doing just that and it works fine.

Let me give you an example of healthcare in these other countries. I need a liver transplant, so I am evaluated as to my suitability, and then get placed on a transplant list. When a donor liver becomes available, I get the transplant if I am highest on the list.

In Canada, they will put you on a transplant list, but nothing ever becomes available. Even if it did, they do not have the facilities or doctors to handle it because of "universal healthcare". So those needing the transplant simply die. Many of the patients in my transplant center were Canadians that moved to the US just so they can have a shot at living.

 

[dblack]

Whatever. I'm addressing your demagoguery. "Something wrong with anyone who thinks we all shouldn’t have healthcare." That's exactly the same shit Bush pulled with the war on terror nonsense. Anyone who opposed the PATRIOT ACT was accused of supporting terrorists. Just because someone opposes your favorite solution to a problem, doesn't mean they think there's no problem. It doesn't mean they want people to suffer. It just means they think you're full of shit.

And you are wrong. We should have affordable healthcare for all.

You're doing it again. I didn't say we shouldn't have affordable healthcare for all. If you can't debate honestly, go fuck yourself. With a pitchfork.

It’s the only way. You are kidding yourself if you think there will be some better option.

And you have a very stilted view if you can't acknowledge that there are, in fact, other solutions. And that there aren't genuine criticisms of yours.

 

[Brain357]

Underneath all the noise is the simple fact that Trump lied and the GOP lied when they said they had a replacement for Obamacare.

All the bitching in the world about "socialism" will not obscure that very real fact.

And that is why we are going to have UHC in our lifetimes.

Thanks a lot, assholes.

Waaah waah waah Obammycare got healthcare welfare for a few at increased cost to the rest of us....just like every other liberal program ever created. It doesnt need a replacement it needs an elimination.

So you have no fix, that’s the problem. We got Obamacare because healthcare costs were rising rapidly. Eliminating it doesn’t change that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Are free COVID-19 vaccines for all, paid for by government, a form of socialism? If so, will conservatives argue that the vaccine program won't work in the U.S. because of all our immigrants and racial issues?

Those immigrants and minorities fear getting vaccines.