More Christians are conservative meanwhile Christ was liberal...

[PostmodernProph]

Says the person who can't think enough for himself to read the books he complains about and understand what they actually teach. And can't understand why someone might be persuaded intellectually to live the principles of a book he never read.

I've read the books, they are full of fairy tales that for the most part don't even make sense.

Now you're claiming you've read them and that you haven't because they were too confusing and you didn't understand them. Which one is it? You need to pick one.

And if you don't understand a book how exactly does that disprove the book rather tell more about your lack of effort in understanding?

I've read them and they are nonsense, especially the Mormon book. I shouldn't need someone to explain a book to me to find God, now THAT makes no sense.

No you should be able to comprehend plain English without anyone explaining a thing to you. The fact that you don't isn't a criticism of the text, but your literacy.

Ok, so I'm dumb

we all knew it.......

 

[PK1]

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The Pharisees were NOT part of the ruling class. To say they were simply discredits your arguments about Paul's motivations.

Within the hierarchy of Jewish sectarianism during the Jesus era, the Sadducees represented an aristocratic, wealthy, and traditional elite, in contrast to the Pharisees and the Essenes.

Actually, they were very powerful religious figures.

Within Pharisaic tradition, Paul/Saul learned how to make the mohair with which tents were made [Acts 18:1-3]. Later as a Christian missionary, that trade (& tent making) became a means of financial support for him that he practiced ... until he received funds from converted Gentiles & non-aristocratic Jews, who wanted to believe the crap about Jesus being the Jewish Messiah and/or "son of God", and they will be "saved" if they believe ... and cough up financial support.
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He received support while he was in prison. Can you find where he demanded it so he could stop making and selling tents? Please do.

None of this, BTW, lends any credence to your insane belief that he thought becoming a Christian was a good power move.

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Unless Muslim, my understanding is that religious leaders don't demand payments for their preaching; it would look bad to do so. However, they will be glad to "suggest" they need your financial support. They still get their "donations" ... or you go to hell

"Insane belief"? That describes perfectly Paul's claim about Jesus being the Jewish Messiah and "son of God" .

Hey, no one here knows the accurate details about events from 2,000 years ago. The Bible is one interpretation with a subjective bent.
I was simply offering an alternative hypothesis to the ridiculous claim of seeing a "resurrection".
If anyone claimed that today, would they be taken seriously by sane people?

There is an easy way to know the truth. Humble yourself and ask God. The Holy Ghost will teach you the truth of all things.

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"to know the truth"?
I strongly doubt you know the "truth", but I'm sure you know how to fantasize.
I recommend that you take a class in academic psychology.
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You might not know but you shouldn't presume everyone is in the same circumstances as you. You should also seek to escape ignorance

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I definitely do NOT presume everyone is in the same "circumstance". My academic specialty is developmental psychology. We deal with objective reality, but realize every individual is unique with their own consciousness & memories.
Indeed, we cannot observe consciousness directly, but behavioral patterns are reflective of thoughts.

Do you think you "escape ignorance" by simply adopting a belief that feels comfortable to you?

My beliefs are based on observable & rational "knowledge", and I don't mind being honest about my ignorance when it exists.

 

[PK1]

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The Pharisees were NOT part of the ruling class. To say they were simply discredits your arguments about Paul's motivations.

Within the hierarchy of Jewish sectarianism during the Jesus era, the Sadducees represented an aristocratic, wealthy, and traditional elite, in contrast to the Pharisees and the Essenes.

Actually, they were very powerful religious figures.

Within Pharisaic tradition, Paul/Saul learned how to make the mohair with which tents were made [Acts 18:1-3]. Later as a Christian missionary, that trade (& tent making) became a means of financial support for him that he practiced ... until he received funds from converted Gentiles & non-aristocratic Jews, who wanted to believe the crap about Jesus being the Jewish Messiah and/or "son of God", and they will be "saved" if they believe ... and cough up financial support.
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He received support while he was in prison. Can you find where he demanded it so he could stop making and selling tents? Please do.

None of this, BTW, lends any credence to your insane belief that he thought becoming a Christian was a good power move.

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Unless Muslim, my understanding is that religious leaders don't demand payments for their preaching; it would look bad to do so. However, they will be glad to "suggest" they need your financial support. They still get their "donations" ... or you go to hell

Anyone saying that is a charlatan and cheat. God doesn't like that.

"Insane belief"? That describes perfectly Paul's claim about Jesus being the Jewish Messiah and "son of God" .

You seem to be more worried about Yeshua being the Messiah than you are about Paul. Wonder why that is.

Hey, no one here knows the accurate details about events from 2,000 years ago. The Bible is one interpretation with a subjective bent.
I was simply offering an alternative hypothesis to the ridiculous claim of seeing a "resurrection".
If anyone claimed that today, would they be taken seriously by sane people?

Actually, people do claim that today, and are taken very seriously, especially by the ones that see the dead raised to life.

So, IOW, even though you were NOT present, you feel qualified to pass judgement on an experience someone else had at a different time and place, and qualified to come up with an extremely UNLIKELY "alternative hypothesis" that requires an immense leap of illogic. Is that about the size of it?

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You have personally witnessed a "resurrection"?
I have not, and I don't know of anyone who has.
However, you are right, I cannot pass judgment on other's subjective experiences.
So, if Mohammad said Allah spoke to him, then we should accept that too, right?

I prefer to deal with objective reality.
Church of Reality

What you consider objective is subjective. IOW, if it didn't happen to you, it didn't happen.

Tribesman 1: I was on a long hunting trip and saw a giant silver bird flying without moving its wings. It pooped out something that burst into flames.

Tribesman 2: You are obviously insane. After Og over there said the same thing last year, our scientists have proven that could never happen.

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Negative. I never said that if I did not witness an event, it did not happen.

If none of my friends or trusted authorities witnessed an event, then why should I take that supposed event seriously?
If there's a rational need to investigate an alleged event, then we are interested!

Your Tribesman example has nothing to do with science, which you apparently have little knowledge of.

I noticed you avoided answering my 2 questions (witnessed resurrection? Mohammad?). I wonder why.
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[Taz]

I've read the books, they are full of fairy tales that for the most part don't even make sense.

Now you're claiming you've read them and that you haven't because they were too confusing and you didn't understand them. Which one is it? You need to pick one.

And if you don't understand a book how exactly does that disprove the book rather tell more about your lack of effort in understanding?

I've read them and they are nonsense, especially the Mormon book. I shouldn't need someone to explain a book to me to find God, now THAT makes no sense.

No you should be able to comprehend plain English without anyone explaining a thing to you. The fact that you don't isn't a criticism of the text, but your literacy.

Ok, so I'm dumb

we all knew it.......

You have nothing as usual

I've read the books, they are full of fairy tales that for the most part don't even make sense.

Now you're claiming you've read them and that you haven't because they were too confusing and you didn't understand them. Which one is it? You need to pick one.

And if you don't understand a book how exactly does that disprove the book rather tell more about your lack of effort in understanding?

I've read them and they are nonsense, especially the Mormon book. I shouldn't need someone to explain a book to me to find God, now THAT makes no sense.

No you should be able to comprehend plain English without anyone explaining a thing to you. The fact that you don't isn't a criticism of the text, but your literacy.

Ok, so I'm dumb

we all knew it.......

I've never gotten more insults than when I debate Christians. Jesus must have been such a fucking moron, no wonder they nailed him to wood in a diaper.

 

[Taz]

Why? You've observed people going to different places?

you've never observed where anyone has gone........deal with it......

So you feel good just making something up and writing a book about it?

Non sequitur......did you want to deflect from the fact you've observed nothing?......

So you know for a fact that I've never seen anyone die? Did you read that in a book?

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went. You're the fool who thinks he knows how everyone gets divided up, depending on how well they follow a random book. And by those myths, I guess I'll be seeing you in hell.

 

[PostmodernProph]

I've never gotten more insults than when I debate Christians. Jesus must have been such a fucking moron, no wonder they nailed him to wood in a diaper.

I assume you understand why Christians insult you?.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

you've never observed where anyone has gone........deal with it......

So you feel good just making something up and writing a book about it?

Non sequitur......did you want to deflect from the fact you've observed nothing?......

So you know for a fact that I've never seen anyone die? Did you read that in a book?

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

 

[Taz]

I've never gotten more insults than when I debate Christians. Jesus must have been such a fucking moron, no wonder they nailed him to wood in a diaper.

I assume you understand why Christians insult you?.......

Because that's the Christian thing to do? Just following that obnoxious Jesus?

 

[Taz]

So you feel good just making something up and writing a book about it?

Non sequitur......did you want to deflect from the fact you've observed nothing?......

So you know for a fact that I've never seen anyone die? Did you read that in a book?

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

 

[PostmodernProph]

Non sequitur......did you want to deflect from the fact you've observed nothing?......

So you know for a fact that I've never seen anyone die? Did you read that in a book?

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

its not that difficult......you click the little arrows in the header of the quoted text....

 

[Taz]

So you know for a fact that I've never seen anyone die? Did you read that in a book?

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

its not that difficult......you click the little arrows in the header of the quoted text....

So, do you think that YOU'RE getting into heaven?

 

[PostmodernProph]

not the question fool.......you have never seen where they have gone.......perhaps you've seen what they left behind......

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

its not that difficult......you click the little arrows in the header of the quoted text....

So, do you think that YOU'RE getting into heaven?

I know I am, but again......that is not responsive.....you really have trouble staying on topic, don't you......

 

[Taz]

Never said I ever saw where they went.

sure you did.....I suggest you go back and refresh your memory about what you said.......

Can't go back and find something that I didn't say. Loser. Again.

its not that difficult......you click the little arrows in the header of the quoted text....

So, do you think that YOU'RE getting into heaven?

I know I am, but again......that is not responsive.....you really have trouble staying on topic, don't you......

You don't even believe in the whole bible. No heaven for you.

 

[PostmodernProph]

We've cleared this up pages and pages ago.......I believe in the Bible.......I just don't believe in your bizarre interpretations of it........

 

[Taz]

We've cleared this up pages and pages ago.......I believe in the Bible.......I just don't believe in your bizarre interpretations of it........

Bizarre being a literal interpretation of the bible. Gee, how bizarre it is to think that Noah got marsupials from Oz and back again. So that never happened?

 

[PostmodernProph]

We've cleared this up pages and pages ago.......I believe in the Bible.......I just don't believe in your bizarre interpretations of it........

Bizarre being a literal interpretation of the bible. Gee, how bizarre it is to think that Noah got marsupials from Oz and back again. So that never happened?

why yes.....in many instances your efforts to demand literal interpretation results in bizarre results......

 

[Taz]

We've cleared this up pages and pages ago.......I believe in the Bible.......I just don't believe in your bizarre interpretations of it........

Bizarre being a literal interpretation of the bible. Gee, how bizarre it is to think that Noah got marsupials from Oz and back again. So that never happened?

why yes.....in many instances your efforts to demand literal interpretation results in bizarre results......

So Noah had no marsupials?

 

[PostmodernProph]

he had everything he needed.....

 

[BreezeWood]

he had everything he needed.....

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and what was left behind, Fauna and Floral was collateral ... or is that what the christians are left with, as the truth ?

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[Taz]

he had everything he needed.....

So you think that Noah had marsupials, polar bears and penguins? That makes you an imbecile, you understand that, right?