Zone1 No Wonder Why I Had Doubts In God's Existence Before

[Blues Man]

I didn't need Paul to believe it. I can sense it inside of my being.

Kinda like heartburn huh?

 

[Blues Man]

Actually it does. You just don't understand it because you have never made an effort to understand it.

You don't know whether I have or not.

 

[Blues Man]

You might be one of those people who have no talent for it either. Which doesn't surprise me because you don't seem like you are at peace.

You don't know shit about me, Donkey

 

[shockedcanadian]

In John, Jesus went around performing miracles so people would know who he was. The apostles also performed miracles to convince people to convert. Where is my miracle?


So what is your answer?

Your miracle will be in Faith and your spirit finding a fantastic home after you die. A reward for following his guidance and instruction. Being born, in America at that; was your greatest miracle. You should be more concerned with the other "miracle" if you defy G-d,.mock him, deny basic decency of your fellow man, betray his laws. Maybe you will just pass and decompose, spiritless. However, if you are wrong...

 

[Blues Man]

Your miracle will be in Faith and your spirit finding a fantastic home after you die. A reward for following his guidance and instruction. Being born, in America at that; was your greatest miracle. You should be more concerned with the other "miracle" if you defy G-d,.mock him, deny basic decency of your fellow man, betray his laws. Maybe you will just pass and decompose, spiritless. However, if you are wrong...

No such thing as miracles.

You all don't find it funny that the people who claim to have seen all these miracles were uneducated, illiterate and superstitious to begin with?

Don't forget this was the early Iron Age right after the Bronze Age ended in a near total collapse of civilization around the Mediterranean after years of drought and famine earthquakes and all manner of natural disaster that led to internal conflicts as well as conflicts between nations.

In short people were hopeless and suffering. The perfect fodder for a new religions to pop up

 

[shockedcanadian]

No such thing as miracles.

You all don't find it funny that the people who claim to have seen all these miracles were uneducated, illiterate and superstitious to begin with?

Don't forget this was the early Iron Age right after the Bronze Age ended in a near total collapse of civilization around the Mediterranean after years of drought and famine earthquakes and all manner of natural disaster that led to internal conflicts as well as conflicts between nations.

In short people were hopeless and suffering. The perfect fodder for a new religions to pop up

Judaism is thousands of years old,.Christianity has expanded for 2000 years. The origin has long past yet, belief is still strong among many in our high tech world. People live through plenty of doubt but only through experiencescan one truly believe in G-d. I can't deny some if the experiences I have had. It has made me a righteous man even in the face of cowardly evil. I believe. Those who don't can be as evil as they please, it isn't my soul

 

[Blues Man]

Judaism is thousands of years old,.Christianity has expanded for 2000 years. The origin has long past. People live through plenty of doubt but only through experiences.can one truly believe in G-d. I can't deny some if the experiences I have had. It has made me a righteous man even in the face of cowardly evil. I believe. Those who don't can be as evil as they please, it isn't my soul

You all want to dismiss the origin as irrelevant but it really is the only thing that is relevant.

And people who don't beieve in your god are not "evil".

 

[shockedcanadian]

You all want to dismiss the origin as irrelevant but it really is the only thing that is relevant.

And people who don't beieve in your god are not "evil".

Not believing in G-d doesn't make one evil. Betraying.his laws inevitably does make one evil. I've experiencedthis for decades in Canada and I would beseech Americans to search on youtube "why I left" and /or "why I am leaving Canada" etc. Read the comments to the videos too. There is a level of evil being exercized by many in Canada. You are following in our footsteps of late, this much is clear. There is no turning back once you do.

 

[Blues Man]

Not believing in G-d doesn't make one evil. Betraying.his laws inevitably does make one evil. I've experienced.for.decades in.Canada and I would beseech Americans to search on.youtube "why I left" and /or "why I am leaving Canada" etc. Read the comments to the video too. There is a level of evil being exercized by many in Canada. You are following in our footsteps, this much is clear.

If people do not believe in your god then the rules of your religion do not apply to them.

Did you ever wonder why your god never showed his face in China during the Iron age but only in the very small area around the Mediterranean? I mean if this god you worship was everyone's god why not introduce himself to all the different people of the world and not just the illiterate people who were suffering from a prolonged period of famine drought and the collapse of nations?

The Chinese saw the inception of Confucianism, Taoism and Mohism during this same period the desert tribes created Judaism. Why do you think that is?

 

[ding]

Kinda like heartburn huh?

No. More like I am not alone and I am loved unconditionally.

 

[ding]

You don't know whether I have or not.

I absolutely do know from what you said that you don't understand faith. Faith doesn't give you a teddy bear to hug and it absolutely does ease suffering. You've never had it so you don't know.

 

[ding]

You don't know shit about me, Donkey

I know more than you think I know about you.

 

[ding]

No such thing as miracles.

The universe becoming self aware seems like a miracle to me. And then there is Jesus.

 

[ding]

You all want to dismiss the origin as irrelevant but it really is the only thing that is relevant.

Why would I want to do that?

"...the prevailing Western view of the world which was first born during the Renaissance and found its political expression from the period of the Enlightenment. It became the basis for government and social science and could be defined as rationalistic humanism or humanistic autonomy: the proclaimed and enforced autonomy of man from any higher force above him. It could also be called anthropocentricity, with man seen as the center of everything that exists.

The turn introduced by the Renaissance evidently was inevitable historically. The Middle Ages had come to a natural end by exhaustion, becoming an intolerable despotic repression of man's physical nature in favor of the spiritual one. Then, however, we turned our backs upon the Spirit and embraced all that is material with excessive and unwarranted zeal. This new way of thinking, which had imposed on us its guidance, did not admit the existence of intrinsic evil in man nor did it see any higher task than the attainment of happiness on earth. It based modern Western civilization on the dangerous trend to worship man and his material needs. Everything beyond physical well-being and accumulation of material goods, all other human requirements and characteristics of a subtler and higher nature, were left outside the area of attention of state and social systems, as if human life did not have any superior sense. That provided access for evil, of which in our days there is a free and constant flow. Merely freedom does not in the least solve all the problems of human life and it even adds a number of new ones.

However, in early democracies, as in the American democracy at the time of its birth, all individual human rights were granted because man is God's creature. That is, freedom was given to the individual conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility. Such was the heritage of the preceding thousand years. Two hundred or even fifty years ago, it would have seemed quite impossible, in America, that an individual could be granted boundless freedom simply for the satisfaction of his instincts or whims. Subsequently, however, all such limitations were discarded everywhere in the West; a total liberation occurred from the moral heritage of Christian centuries with their great reserves of mercy and sacrifice. State systems were -- State systems were becoming increasingly and totally materialistic. The West ended up by truly enforcing human rights, sometimes even excessively, but man's sense of responsibility to God and society grew dimmer and dimmer. In the past decades, the legalistically selfish aspect of Western approach and thinking has reached its final dimension and the world wound up in a harsh spiritual crisis and a political impasse. All the glorified technological achievements of Progress, including the conquest of outer space, do not redeem the 20th century's moral poverty which no one could imagine even as late as in the 19th Century.

As humanism in its development became more and more materialistic, it made itself increasingly accessible to speculation and manipulation by socialism and then by communism. So that Karl Marx was able to say that "communism is naturalized humanism."

This statement turned out not to be entirely senseless. One does see the same stones in the foundations of a despiritualized humanism and of any type of socialism: endless materialism; freedom from religion and religious responsibility, which under communist regimes reach the stage of anti-religious dictatorships; concentration on social structures with a seemingly scientific approach. This is typical of the Enlightenment in the 18th Century and of Marxism. Not by coincidence all of communism's meaningless pledges and oaths are about Man, with a capital M, and his earthly happiness. At first glance it seems an ugly parallel: common traits in the thinking and way of life of today's West and today's East? But such is the logic of materialistic development.

The interrelationship is such, too, that the current of materialism which is most to the left always ends up by being stronger, more attractive, and victorious, because it is more consistent. Humanism without its Christian heritage cannot resist such competition. We watch this process in the past centuries and especially in the past decades, on a world scale as the situation becomes increasingly dramatic. Liberalism was inevitably displaced by radicalism; radicalism had to surrender to socialism; and socialism could never resist communism.1 The communist regime in the East could stand and grow due to the enthusiastic support from an enormous number of Western intellectuals who felt a kinship and refused to see communism's crimes. And when they no longer could do so, they tried to justify them. In our Eastern countries, communism has suffered a complete ideological defeat; it is zero and less than zero. But Western intellectuals still look at it with interest and with empathy, and this is precisely what makes it so immensely difficult for the West to withstand the East.

I am not examining here the case of a world war disaster and the changes which it would produce in society. As long as we wake up every morning under a peaceful sun, we have to lead an everyday life. There is a disaster, however, which has already been under way for quite some time. I am referring to the calamity of a despiritualized and irreligious humanistic consciousness.

To such consciousness, man is the touchstone in judging everything on earth -- imperfect man, who is never free of pride, self-interest, envy, vanity, and dozens of other defects. We are now experiencing the consequences of mistakes which had not been noticed at the beginning of the journey. On the way from the Renaissance to our days we have enriched our experience, but we have lost the concept of a Supreme Complete Entity which used to restrain our passions and our irresponsibility. We have placed too much hope in political and social reforms, only to find out that we were being deprived of our most precious possession: our spiritual life. In the East, it is destroyed by the dealings and machinations of the ruling party. In the West, commercial interests suffocate it. This is the real crisis. The split in the world is less terrible -- The split in the world is less terrible than the similarity of the disease plaguing its main sections.

If humanism were right in declaring that man is born only to be happy, he would not be born to die. Since his body is doomed to die, his task on earth evidently must be of a more spiritual nature. It cannot be unrestrained enjoyment of everyday life. It cannot be the search for the best ways to obtain material goods and then cheerfully get the most of them. It has to be the fulfillment of a permanent, earnest duty so that one's life journey may become an experience of moral growth, so that one may leave life a better human being than one started it. It is imperative to review the table of widespread human values. Its present incorrectness is astounding. It is not possible that assessment of the President's performance be reduced to the question how much money one makes or of unlimited availability of gasoline. Only voluntary, inspired self-restraint can raise man above the world stream of materialism.

It would be retrogression to attach oneself today to the ossified formulas of the Enlightenment. Social dogmatism leaves us completely helpless in front of the trials of our times. Even if we are spared destruction by war, our lives will have to change if we want to save life from self-destruction. We cannot avoid revising the fundamental definitions of human life and human society. Is it true that man is above everything? Is there no Superior Spirit above him? Is it right that man's life and society's activities have to be determined by material expansion in the first place? Is it permissible to promote such expansion to the detriment of our spiritual integrity?

If the world has not come to its end, it has approached a major turn in history, equal in importance to the turn from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. It will exact from us a spiritual upsurge: We shall have to rise to a new height of vision, to a new level of life where our physical nature will not be cursed as in the Middle Ages, but, even more importantly, our spiritual being will not be trampled upon as in the Modern era.

This ascension will be similar to climbing onto the next anthropologic stage. No one on earth has any other way left but -- upward." Solzhenitsyn​

 

[Blues Man]

I absolutely do know from what you said that you don't understand faith. Faith doesn't give you a teddy bear to hug and it absolutely does ease suffering. You've never had it so you don't know.

I absolutely do. Faith is belief without proof.

Like the way a child believes there is a monster under the bed

 

[Blues Man]

Why would I want to do that?

Was I talking to you when I said that?

No.

 

[Blues Man]

I know more than you think I know about you.

You don;t know as much as you think you do about anything, Sigmund Fraud

 

[Blues Man]

The universe becoming self aware seems like a miracle to me. And then there is Jesus.

The universe isn't self aware and most humans aren't either.

 

[BreezeWood]

Betraying.his laws inevitably does make one evil.

all three desert religions have an unknown, single individual as their sole source for what they claim are the laws made in heaven - the liar moses and their false 10 commandments - and those people and congregations know they are wrong and use them anyway - shocker.

they as history portrays are those who are evil.

 

[Blues Man]

all three desert religions have an unknown, single individual as their sole source for what they claim are the laws made in heaven - the liar moses and their false 10 commandments - and those people and congregations know they are wrong and use them anyway - shocker.

they as history portrays are those who are evil.

No they actually all worship a different god