Obama - a legacy of recycling Jimmy Carter's failed policies

[JoeB131]

Poodle, just out of curiousity, what experience did you have with a government agency that has turned you into this Libertarian Anarchist?

I'm just curious.

I know why I changed. I changed because a big insurance company fucked me over, and I'm still picking up the pieces.

So let's hear your story. It should be amusing. If you have the balls to tell it.

 

[Redfish]

So you think that having your medical decsions made by a govt employee who has a budget constraint and is minimally intelligent would be better than having them made by an insurance company employee who has a motive to keep your business? really??

But this is the WHOLE POINT. They have no interest in keeping MY business. They have an interest in keeping MY EMPLOYER'S business. And if you want to understand the one reason why I've turned so viiolently on the GOP, it is because I figured out that my employer's interests are usually diametrically opposed to mine.

figured this out after a 2 year fight with Cigna to get medical treatment my doctors said was needed, only to be downsized after running up 50K in medical bills.

as to medicare, basic medicare only pays 80%. Medicare advantage, which is run by insurance companies, has a very small premium and pays virtually everything except for small co-pays.

But Medicare Giveaway only takes people who are relatively healthy. The old folks who are really sick have to rely on basic Medicare. That's kind of the point.

BTW, obama hates medicare advantage. Why? I guess because it works well for seniors in the USA.

Actually, he hates it because it's a big giveaway to rich insurance companies.

Seriously. Fuck the insurance companies and the Dressage Horse they rode in on.

How awful, a US corporation provides good service to its customers and still makes money, damn, we must destroy them, profit is evil.. WTF is wrong with you?

I do not deny that some insurance companies have screwed their policyholders, but those no longer exist. Thats the thing about free enterprise, if you screw your customers you go out of business. what happens when the govt screws us?---they just keep doing it.

I suspect that your employer is paying a lot more for your insurance than you are. What is he going to do when obozocare kicks in? put you on 29 hours/week? Make you pay more? or just pay the penalty and put you and your family at the mercy of the govt death panels.

you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

 

[P@triot]

[No, that's not what you're saying dumb-ass. That scenario already exists asshole. What happened to Bernie Madoff when he fucked everybody over? He went to prison, stupid!

But that's the problem. ONLY Bernie went to prison. Bernie didn't cause the whole 2008 crash by himself. The people who ran Morgan-Stanly and Lehman and Bear-Sternes not only didn't go to jail, they got bailouts and they got to keep their bonuses. And 93% of the money created in the recovery went to the 1%? So what possible disincentive is there for them to not do it again.

Because the other guys didn't cheat anybody stupid!!!! It was government (lead by Bill Clinton), which FORCED them to make loans to people who should never have gotten loans and previously didn't (because socialist assholes like you think everyone should own a $300,000 home even if they can't afford it). This is what happens with the two things you love most: government and force. It collapses economies, stupid (just ask the former U.S.S.R., Cuba, Greece).

Half of these corporations saw these risky loans piling up and they rolled them up into risky investments. The other half of corporations didnt do their homework, bought those risky investments and took it on the chin. Either way, NOBODY got fucked over. If you were greedy and invested your money with people you didn't know, you got exactly what you deserved.

And NONE it would have happened had government stayed the fuck out of the home loan business where they had no constitutional authority to begin with and this didnt belong!

As usual, you libtards create the problem and then cry the loudest about it.

Yes, the Community Reinvestment Act encouraged banks to make risky loans | Midwest Voices

 

[Redfish]

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Folks, this is why you don't argue with ignorant, naïve, 23 year olds. Their belief that government is a pure entity of omnipotence is hilarious.

Psst...Joe: government bureaucrats are not working for you. They don't care a fuck about you. In fact, you're just an annoying asshat to them (like you are to the rest of us and your neighbors) and they are counting the days until they can let you die so as to get you off of their liabilities column (again just like the rest of us and your neighbors ).

I do thank you though for telling me again how much you trust government. Seriously, that never stops being hilarious...

Guy, when I was in the Army for 11 years, I knew EXACTLY who I was working for.


Incidently, the government run health care I had in the army was VASTLY better than the private health care I've had EVER.

And frankly, most times I've dealt with government, they were very efficient in getting what I wanted to accomplish.

As opposed to most private entities, where you pretty much have to count your fingers after shaking hands with them. In my line of work, I have to deal with more bullshit than you can imagine. From big companies that are indifferent to your business once they have your money to small busiesses who are kept aloft on the vapors of their own bullshit.

The only difference is, the Government doesn't spend billions of dollars telling Cleetuses like you how wonderful they are.

this^^^^ folks is a typical liberal------mad at the world because he thinks the world has screwed him, and in his insane liberal musings he thinks that the government is his savior.

"poor poor me, please save me from the evil world, Mr. Obama"

 

[JoeB131]

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How awful, a US corporation provides good service to its customers and still makes money, damn, we must destroy them, profit is evil.. WTF is wrong with you?

No, they didn't provide good service in my case. That's the point.

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I do not deny that some insurance companies have screwed their policyholders, but those no longer exist. Thats the thing about free enterprise, if you screw your customers you go out of business. what happens when the govt screws us?---they just keep doing it.

But this is the point you miss. their customers are NOT the policy holders, they are the policy payers. And a lot of companies regard their employees like Sea Monkeys.

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I suspect that your employer is paying a lot more for your insurance than you are. What is he going to do when obozocare kicks in? put you on 29 hours/week? Make you pay more? or just pay the penalty and put you and your family at the mercy of the govt death panels.

Or more than likely, just keep what they have, which despite your alarmism, is what most of them are doing. The thing is, you put everyone on 29 hours a week, they'll look for jobs that'll give them 40. And they'll have to hire more staff. Hiring more staff is more expensive than paying the insurance.

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you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

Yeah, I've been hearing that for four years now. Ain't happened yet.

 

[Redfish]

[No, that's not what you're saying dumb-ass. That scenario already exists asshole. What happened to Bernie Madoff when he fucked everybody over? He went to prison, stupid!

But that's the problem. ONLY Bernie went to prison. Bernie didn't cause the whole 2008 crash by himself. The people who ran Morgan-Stanly and Lehman and Bear-Sternes not only didn't go to jail, they got bailouts and they got to keep their bonuses. And 93% of the money created in the recovery went to the 1%? So what possible disincentive is there for them to not do it again.

Because the other guys didn't cheat anybody stupid!!!! It was government (lead by Bill Clinton), which FORCED them to make loans to people who should never have gotten loans and previously didn't (because socialist assholes like you think everyone should own a $300,000 home even if they can't afford it). This is what happens with the two things you love most: government and force. It collapses economies, stupid (just ask the former U.S.S.R., Cuba, Greece).

Half of these corporations saw these risky loans piling up and they rolled them up into risky investments. The other half of corporations didnt do their homework, bought those risky investments and took it on the chin. Either way, NOBODY got fucked over. If you were greedy and invested your money with people you didn't know, you got exactly what you deserved.

And NONE it would have happened had government stayed the fuck out of the home loan business where they had no constitutional authority to begin with and this didnt belong!

As usual, you libtards create the problem and then cry the loudest about it.

Yes, the Community Reinvestment Act encouraged banks to make risky loans | Midwest Voices

careful, the truth causes liberal heads to implode---------boom, bang, boom. it has started

 

[JoeB131]

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Because the other guys didn't cheat anybody stupid!!!! It was government (lead by Bill Clinton), which FORCED them to make loans to people who should never have gotten loans and previously didn't (....]

Guy, this is where you have no crediblity.

Even the BANKS aren't blaming the CRA for the meltdown.

The problem wasn't poor people getting loans, the problem was taking those loans, overstating their value, and selling them as investments.

And when all those McMansions that were sold to middle class folks didn't flip, the whole thing fell apart.

of the 25 banks requiring bailouts, only one dealt with CRA loans.

 

[Redfish]

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How awful, a US corporation provides good service to its customers and still makes money, damn, we must destroy them, profit is evil.. WTF is wrong with you?

No, they didn't provide good service in my case. That's the point.

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I do not deny that some insurance companies have screwed their policyholders, but those no longer exist. Thats the thing about free enterprise, if you screw your customers you go out of business. what happens when the govt screws us?---they just keep doing it.

But this is the point you miss. their customers are NOT the policy holders, they are the policy payers. And a lot of companies regard their employees like Sea Monkeys.

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I suspect that your employer is paying a lot more for your insurance than you are. What is he going to do when obozocare kicks in? put you on 29 hours/week? Make you pay more? or just pay the penalty and put you and your family at the mercy of the govt death panels.

Or more than likely, just keep what they have, which despite your alarmism, is what most of them are doing. The thing is, you put everyone on 29 hours a week, they'll look for jobs that'll give them 40. And they'll have to hire more staff. Hiring more staff is more expensive than paying the insurance.

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you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

Yeah, I've been hearing that for four years now. Ain't happened yet.

If your employer is screwing you, find another job--------oh, I forgot there are no jobs in the obama economy, oh well

obozocare has not kicked in yet, just wait and lube up, its coming unless the GOP house does what 70% of america wants them to do.

But tell me Joe, why is congress exempt from obamacare? why is the administration exempt? why are big corporations that supported obama exempt?

If its so wonderful, why don't the unions want it? why doesn't pelosi want it for herself?

 

[P@triot]

Poodle, just out of curiousity, what experience did you have with a government agency that has turned you into this Libertarian Anarchist?

I'm just curious.

I know why I changed. I changed because a big insurance company fucked me over, and I'm still picking up the pieces.

So let's hear your story. It should be amusing. If you have the balls to tell it.

I'm not a libertarian anarchist - I hate those mother fuckers as much as I hate you and your libtard Dumbocrats. I'm a constitutional American. We have laws and damn it we should abide by those laws. For someone who spouts off about a "civilized society" so much, you'd think you would demand we abide by the Constitution as well. This is glaring evidence, yet again, that you are full of shit.

I've already listed government failures time and time again (9/11, Hurricane Katrina, $16+ trillion in nation collapsing debt, waste, fraud, and abuse, etc.). But that's not why I'm a constitutional conservative. I'm a constitutional conservative because I value my freedom above all else. Because I'm not lazy. Because I'm not willing to trade freedom for some shitty government healthcare. And because, unlike you, I'm educated and have studied history and seen the atrocities of government holding the power instead of the people.

 

[P@triot]

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Folks, this is why you don't argue with ignorant, naïve, 23 year olds. Their belief that government is a pure entity of omnipotence is hilarious.

Psst...Joe: government bureaucrats are not working for you. They don't care a fuck about you. In fact, you're just an annoying asshat to them (like you are to the rest of us and your neighbors) and they are counting the days until they can let you die so as to get you off of their liabilities column (again just like the rest of us and your neighbors ).

I do thank you though for telling me again how much you trust government. Seriously, that never stops being hilarious...

Guy, when I was in the Army for 11 years, I knew EXACTLY who I was working for.


Incidently, the government run health care I had in the army was VASTLY better than the private health care I've had EVER.

And frankly, most times I've dealt with government, they were very efficient in getting what I wanted to accomplish.

As opposed to most private entities, where you pretty much have to count your fingers after shaking hands with them. In my line of work, I have to deal with more bullshit than you can imagine. From big companies that are indifferent to your business once they have your money to small busiesses who are kept aloft on the vapors of their own bullshit.

The only difference is, the Government doesn't spend billions of dollars telling Cleetuses like you how wonderful they are.

this^^^^ folks is a typical liberal------mad at the world because he thinks the world has screwed him, and in his insane liberal musings he thinks that the government is his savior.

"poor poor me, please save me from the evil world, Mr. Obama"

 

[P@triot]

Again, I'm pretty sure you're not rich, so why do you spend so much time defending rich douchebags and their ability to screw working folks?

I'm not rich. I live a comfortable existence - nothing exotic or lavish. But the difference between you and I is that I don't suffer from extreme envy that causes me to hate successful people. I admire and respect Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Warren Buffet.

I don't defend them (and it's remarkable that after reading all of my posts you don't comprehend that). The only thing I defend is freedom.

 

[P@triot]

But to the point, we do have sex crimes units and Megan's Lists and background checks to keep sex offenders from working at places where they can cause trouble. We don't seem to have similar sorts of regulations to keep corporate raiders from wrecking our economy, even though this was like the third time they did it in two decades.

Wow - this is astoundingly ignorant (even by your standards). "We don't seem to have similar sorts of regulations" for business? Really? Really?

• Today, there are 3,503 federal regulations in the pipeline (Source: The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, Unified Agenda 2012)
  
  
• There are currently 739 federal regulations affecting small businesses (Source: The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs)
  
  
• There are 174,545 total pages in the Code of Federal Regulations, an increase of more than 21% over the last decade (Source: Congressional Research Service)
  
  
• 13,000 final rules were published in the Federal Register from 2009-2012 (Source: Congressional Research Service)
  
  
• 330 “major” economic rules were published in the last four years. (Source: Congressional Research Service)
  
  
• Since 1976, the number of pages of environmental rules in the Code of Federal Regulations has increased 25 fold, from around 1,000 pages to 25,000 pages. (Source: Fuel Fix – Info-Graphic: EPA Outlier in Federal Regulations)
  
  
• Paperwork from the EPA in 2012, took 176 million hours, costing various industries more than $2.4 billion. (Source: American Action Forum)
  
  
• 6,669 regulatory changes or notices were posted on Regulations.gov over a three month period – an average of 74 per day, making it difficult for small businesses to keep up. (Source: The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs)

See more at: Small Businesses for Sensible Regulations

 

[P@triot]

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How awful, a US corporation provides good service to its customers and still makes money, damn, we must destroy them, profit is evil.. WTF is wrong with you?

No, they didn't provide good service in my case. That's the point.

But this is the point you miss. their customers are NOT the policy holders, they are the policy payers. And a lot of companies regard their employees like Sea Monkeys.

Or more than likely, just keep what they have, which despite your alarmism, is what most of them are doing. The thing is, you put everyone on 29 hours a week, they'll look for jobs that'll give them 40. And they'll have to hire more staff. Hiring more staff is more expensive than paying the insurance.

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you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

Yeah, I've been hearing that for four years now. Ain't happened yet.

If your employer is screwing you, find another job--------oh, I forgot there are no jobs in the obama economy, oh well

obozocare has not kicked in yet, just wait and lube up, its coming unless the GOP house does what 70% of america wants them to do.

But tell me Joe, why is congress exempt from obamacare? why is the administration exempt? why are big corporations that supported obama exempt?

If its so wonderful, why don't the unions want it? why doesn't pelosi want it for herself?

 

[P@triot]

you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

Yeah, I've been hearing that for four years now. Ain't happened yet.

It "ain't"? Joe, you literally have ZERO credibility. You just keep embarassing yourself. Today's headlines:

Trader Joe's to drop health coverage for part-time workers thanks to Obamacare

Report: Trader Joe's to drop health coverage for part-time workers - The Hill's Healthwatch

 

[JoeB131]

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If your employer is screwing you, find another job--------oh, I forgot there are no jobs in the obama economy, oh well

No, they ALL find ways to fuck you. It's really not a matter of trying to find that "one nice employer", because even the nice ones are douchebags.

But tell me Joe, why is congress exempt from obamacare? why is the administration exempt? why are big corporations that supported obama exempt?
If its so wonderful, why don't the unions want it? why doesn't pelosi want it for herself?

No, here's where I think you are slightly retarded or something.

All the groups you mentioned ALREADY HAVE GOOD INSURANCE. Heck, even I'll admit, the insurance I have isn't that bad.

ObamaCare was never about the millions who have good insurance. It's a matter of the 46 million uninsured and the 25 million inadequately insured...

 

[JoeB131]

you silly libs have no idea what obozocare is going to do to YOU. But you may find out pretty soon---------you deserve what you voted for, lube up.

Yeah, I've been hearing that for four years now. Ain't happened yet.

It "ain't"? Joe, you literally have ZERO credibility. You just keep embarassing yourself. Today's headlines:

Trader Joe's to drop health coverage for part-time workers thanks to Obamacare

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So marginal, minimum wage employers who had shitty health insurance are dropping it.

So what?

Still Ain't happening in the grownup economy.

Now, if you work for Trader Joe's for Min Wage, which is where I suspect you're at, yeah, I can see why this is a tragedy for you.

But that insurance probably sucked, anyway.

 

[JoeB131]

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[*]Paperwork from the EPA in 2012, took 176 million hours, costing various industries more than $2.4 billion. (Source: American Action Forum)
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again, not seeing why these are bad things, except in your eyes.

I guess you want to drink dirty water and breathe dirty air, or are you just going to get your Star Wars Atmospheric Vaporator to clean the water for you?

The rest of us, we'll drink our clean water provided through communist government pipes and kept clean by communist government regulations.

 

[P@triot]

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If your employer is screwing you, find another job--------oh, I forgot there are no jobs in the obama economy, oh well

No, they ALL find ways to fuck you. It's really not a matter of trying to find that "one nice employer", because even the nice ones are douchebags.

Yeah Joe, and all homosexuals have aids, all blacks are criminals, all Hispanics are illegal, and all muslims are terrorists...

You see what we're dealing with here folks? Joe here makes the most desperate and absurd comments imaginable (can you tell he's about 23?)

 

[P@triot]

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[*]Paperwork from the EPA in 2012, took 176 million hours, costing various industries more than $2.4 billion. (Source: American Action Forum)
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again, not seeing why these are bad things, except in your eyes.

I guess you want to drink dirty water and breathe dirty air, or are you just going to get your Star Wars Atmospheric Vaporator to clean the water for you?

The rest of us, we'll drink our clean water provided through communist government pipes and kept clean by communist government regulations.

Moving the goal posts Joe? You stated we had a "whopping" THREE items to help prevent sex crimes and then ignorantly stated you "didn't see those same kind of efforts to protect people in the business sector". I then posted thousands.

Don't move the goalposts because I'm humiliating you with facts...

(P.S. Joe - if the government is providing your water supply, it's not clean. But lets be honest, "clean" is just your false narrative to mask your ineptitude's as an American. You couldn't care less if it's "clean" - you just care that someone else provides it so you don't have to).

 

[P@triot]

[*]Paperwork from the EPA in 2012, took 176 million hours, costing various industries more than $2.4 billion. (Source: American Action Forum)
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again, not seeing why these are bad things, except in your eyes

Well you're the little douche crying about your minimum wage factory salary. If businesses weren't crippled with impractical regulations costing them $2.4 billion, your pay check wouldn't have you so pissed off at the world.

Again, we see the profound ignorance of Joe supporting bad policy which creates the problem, then he cries the loudest about the problem he helped create