Obama officially turns back on Isreal.

[NYcarbineer]

We 'gave back' Japan and Germany. Was that a mistake?

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

Correct. Maybe Carbonated would like to address that?

We defeated them and occupied them, no differently than what Israel did with the territories.

So why did we give them their sovereignty back? Was that a mistake?

 

[jillian]

We 'gave back' Japan and Germany. Was that a mistake?

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

No that's not a better example. We defeated and occupied Germany and Japan. They were US occupied terrorities. According to the other idiot poster, we should have kept them, settled in them,

because we won them fair and square.

israel isn't "occupying" palestinian territory. palestinians (well, jordanians) tried to throw the lawful occupants of israel into the sea.

they lost. israel won -- "fair and sqaure"

or do jews not "win"?

and a better question is should we "give" texas and california back to mexico... because THAT is the more apt analogy.

 

[The T]

We 'gave back' Japan and Germany. Was that a mistake?

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

No that's not a better example. We defeated and occupied Germany and Japan. They were US occupied terrorities. According to the other idiot poster, we should have kept them, settled in them,

because we won them fair and square.

We don't conquer in the modern era, but LIBERATE.

YOU are an idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The president is absolutely correct.

There CANNOT be a peaceful resolution that includes Israel retaining the occupied territories. That is a proven impossibility.

When faced with doing the impossible, the only sensible option is to try something different,

or resign yourself to a perpetual exercise in futility trying to accomplish the impossible.

They OCCUPY them because they WON THEM IN WAR as we do TEXAS, California...and a myriad of States...Should WE also give what we won back Carbonated?

It's the same fucking thing.

NOW we have La RAZA (Like the PLO, HAMAS)...saying they want the territories LOST in WAR back?

Wake up you fucking DOLT.

Israel is still at war. If Israel wants to fight a perpetual war in the Middle East, then sure, they can insist they won the land and its theirs.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The president is absolutely correct.

There CANNOT be a peaceful resolution that includes Israel retaining the occupied territories. That is a proven impossibility.

When faced with doing the impossible, the only sensible option is to try something different,

or resign yourself to a perpetual exercise in futility trying to accomplish the impossible.

Explain how a country with a death warrant can defend itself when it's borders have been reduced?

 

[The T]

WHY don't we just ANNEX IRAQ? Afghanistan?

Son? Yer an idiot.

 

[GoneBezerk]

I'm talking about you modern day neo-Nazi types that always have something bad to say about Israel.

The pathetic losertarians are on the side of liberals when it comes to harming "the Jews."

It's that National Socialist inside them....

The Pathetic GoneBezerk is on the side of the mentally retarded when it comes to harming the LIBERTARIANS:


Notable Historical Jewish Libertarians

* Burton S. Blumert (former President, Center for Libertarian Studies)
* David Brudnoy, 1940-2004 (talk radio host; TV commentator; author)
* Frank Chodorov, 1887-1966 (author; journalist; philosopher)
* Ralph de Toledano, 1916-2007 (former editor, The New Leader)
* Aaron Director, 1901-2004 (former Professor of Economics, University of Chicago)
* Milton Friedman, 1912-2006 (author; philosopher; economist)
* Irv Homer, 1924-2009 (talk radio host)
* Ze'ev Vladimir Jabotinsky, 1880-1940 (founder, Betar Zionist Group)
* Robert Nozick, 1938-2002 (author; philosopher; economist)
* Dyanne Petersen (former Senior Editor, Laissez Faire Books)
* Ayn Rand, 1905-1982 (author; philosopher)
* Murray N. Rothbard, 1926-1995 (author; economist; philosopher)
* Irv Rubin, 1945-2002 (Jewish activist; former Chairman, Jewish Defense League)
* Aaron Russo, 1943-2007 (2004 Libertarian Presidential contender; Hollywood producer)
* Julian Simon, 1932-1998 (economist)
* Aaron B. Wildavsky, 1930-1993 (author; professor of Political Science)
* Ludwig Von Mises, 1881-1973 (economist; Nobel Prize winner)

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[Ringel05]

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com
The muslim in obama is showing.

kindly point out anything in that article that quotes the president as saying they should go back to 1967 borders.

given that fauxnews hasn't accurately reported anything he's said yet, i think i'll wait and see if something (or someone) credible says that.

I watched it tonight on Fox News (not the talking heads, the news) and they pointed out the fact that this has been the official, unchanged US policy since Carter, which is indeed the truth. Kinda blows your "credibility" and "fauxnews" statement out of the water don't ya think?

 

[NYcarbineer]

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

No that's not a better example. We defeated and occupied Germany and Japan. They were US occupied terrorities. According to the other idiot poster, we should have kept them, settled in them,

because we won them fair and square.

We don't conquer in the modern era, but LIBERATE.

YOU are an idiot.

We don't conquer, but Israel does. lolol

 

[The T]

The president is absolutely correct.

There CANNOT be a peaceful resolution that includes Israel retaining the occupied territories. That is a proven impossibility.

When faced with doing the impossible, the only sensible option is to try something different,

or resign yourself to a perpetual exercise in futility trying to accomplish the impossible.

They OCCUPY them because they WON THEM IN WAR as we do TEXAS, California...and a myriad of States...Should WE also give what we won back Carbonated?

It's the same fucking thing.

NOW we have La RAZA (Like the PLO, HAMAS)...saying they want the territories LOST in WAR back?

Wake up you fucking DOLT.

Israel is still at war. If Israel wants to fight a perpetual war in the Middle East, then sure, they can insist they won the land and its theirs.

And they are precisely for the YAKSQUEEZE of a speech Obama gave today.

Son? Yer an IDIOT.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Germany and Japan don't border the US the last time I checked, so we didn't need to create a buffer zone for our future safety.

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

Correct. Maybe Carbonated would like to address that?

We defeated them and occupied them, no differently than what Israel did with the territories.

So why did we give them their sovereignty back? Was that a mistake?

 

[The T]

No that's not a better example. We defeated and occupied Germany and Japan. They were US occupied terrorities. According to the other idiot poster, we should have kept them, settled in them,

because we won them fair and square.

We don't conquer in the modern era, but LIBERATE.

YOU are an idiot.

We don't conquer, but Israel does. lolol

We Conquered TEXAS, Florida, Kalifornya...

Want to give them back?

 

[Trajan]

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

Correct. Maybe Carbonated would like to address that?

We defeated them and occupied them, no differently than what Israel did with the territories.

So why did we give them their sovereignty back? Was that a mistake?

lets do this step by step as nuance and plain language appears to confuse you-

please explain the conditions between the combatants, states of war, i.e. declarations of war between the combatants; say between hamas and Israel? Fatah and Israel?

 

[TheBrain]

We never absorbed Germany or Japan into our own nation. A better example would be Guam, which is STILL a US possession.

No that's not a better example. We defeated and occupied Germany and Japan. They were US occupied terrorities. According to the other idiot poster, we should have kept them, settled in them,

because we won them fair and square.

israel isn't "occupying" palestinian territory. palestinians (well, jordanians) tried to throw the lawful occupants of israel into the sea.

they lost. israel won -- "fair and sqaure"

or do jews not "win"?

and a better question is should we "give" texas and california back to mexico... because THAT is the more apt analogy.

THis is akin to you coming over to my house and starting a fight with me and me punching you in the nose and taking your lunchbox away from you and then you crying to daddy that I took your lunchbox.

And that's not even considering the obvious fact that who in the hell do we think we are telling yet another country how they must behave in terms of their own security?

 

[Rodack]

Democrats despise western judeo-Christian belief


Like Muslim Obama for instance

 

[jillian]

Obama: Palestinian State Must Be Based on 1967 Borders - FoxNews.com
The muslim in obama is showing.

kindly point out anything in that article that quotes the president as saying they should go back to 1967 borders.

given that fauxnews hasn't accurately reported anything he's said yet, i think i'll wait and see if something (or someone) credible says that.

I watched it tonight on Fox News (not the talking heads, the news) and they pointed out the fact that this has been the official, unchanged US policy since Carter, which is indeed the truth. Kinda blows your "credibility" and "fauxnews" statement out of the water don't ya think?

even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

and i already acknowledged earlier that i heard it on the way home. i also didn't say it was impossible. i said i preferred to wait for a more credible source.

and if this has been our policy through both of the bush presidencies and the reagan presidency, why do the rightwingnuts insist on pretending that dems are worse for israel.

what was WORST for israel was destabilizing the middle east but the neocons don't like hearing that.

 

[Contumacious]

Why didnt Palestime become a state in the 40s when Muslims, Jordan and Egypt, controlled the area? But now it is crucial that it becomes a free state?

The Palestinians were mostly farmers and were no match to the well organized Menachem Begin and the Irgun Zionist Terrorist Gang.

In 1947 President Truman became the Jewish State benefactor and the rest is history.

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[NYcarbineer]

The president is absolutely correct.

There CANNOT be a peaceful resolution that includes Israel retaining the occupied territories. That is a proven impossibility.

When faced with doing the impossible, the only sensible option is to try something different,

or resign yourself to a perpetual exercise in futility trying to accomplish the impossible.

Explain how a country with a death warrant can defend itself when it's borders have been reduced?

I said, if Israel wants perpetual war, they can insist on holding onto the occupied territories. They will NEVER get peace if they do. That is a certainty.

MAYBE they won't get peace if they withdraw either. But at the very least that is not a certainty.

You can't continue to attempt the impossible. That's insanity.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

WHY don't we just ANNEX IRAQ? Afghanistan?

Son? Yer an idiot.

Libya don't forget libya.

 

[P F Tinmore]

has jillian come back to the thread? i'm curious as to her opinion.

and while obama is at it...why not give mexico the land they lost to us

The major consequence of the war was the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico to the U.S. in exchange for $18 million. Mexico accepted the Rio Grande as its national border, and the loss of Texas.

Mexican-American War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mexico lost the war and agreements were made as to borders, etc..

In the Israel/Palestine conflict, Palestine has not lost the war and no concessions of land or change in borders have been made. Palestine's borders are the same as they were in 1922.